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    Remember the industry they are in; hype plays a big role in having a great first few weeks of sales/streams. The higher you reports, the more hype you create, the more curious public are to hear the music.
    They should definitely be taken to task for this. While other artists are openly stating how good or bad their sales and streams are, Tidal and Kanye manipulate the hype for a few more curious minds.
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    • Y'ALL JAY Z IS UPLOADING HIS STUFF ON SPOTIFY TODAAAAYYYYY!

      The Hits Collection Vol. 1
      Kingdom Come

      I saw some tweets that American Gangster & The Blueprints are being uploaded as well though for some reason they're still not showing up in mine.

      It's been 84 years since the last time I listened to "Holy Grail", "Run This Town", "'03 Bonnie & Clyde", "On To The Next One" & "No Church In The Wild". I can't believe this is happening.

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      • Originally posted by abi
        It's been 84 years since the last time I listened to "Holy Grail", "Run This Town", "'03 Bonnie & Clyde", "On To The Next One" & "No Church In The Wild". I can't believe this is happening.
        Even himself is being forced to release his music wide to cash the royalties as Tidal has a extremely small user base. Anyway, this is good for the fans so I'm glad for you
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        • So they paid the labels for the inflated streaming numbers of their artists. Why can't they just pay the songwriters instead? :-? :-?

          How Tidal Got So F*cked
          Article by David Turner


          “If I gave two f*cks - two f*cks about streaming numbers, would have put Lemonade up on Spotify,” Beyoncé proclaims on “NICE” from her joint album with Jay-Z which they dropped exclusively on Tidal over the weekend. Unfortunately for those emotionally or monetarily invested in the streaming service, your sudden need to download Tidal quickly dissipated when by Monday morning, Everything Is Love could be found on Apple Music and Spotify’s paid tier.



          When Tidal’s most public-facing owners can’t survive more than 48 hours in a Tidal-only world, what could’ve gone so wrong with the company? Even the heirs to Prince’s estate are looking to terminate a recently announced deal between Tidal and the deceased singer, TMZ reported on Tuesday. Tidal wanted to save the music industry, and instead, it’s losing exclusives and right now stands accused of fudging subscriber numbers, manipulating streaming numbers, providing late payment to labels, and in some cases not paying artists at all. (Some of which, Tidal vehemently denies.) Problems began from the start with the company.

          Three years ago, Jay-Z, one of the world’s most successful rappers, publicly debuted Tidal alongside a who’s who of music’s power players, including Arcade Fire, Beyoncé, Daft Punk, Madonna, Rihanna, and Kanye West—who despite public bluster is still invested. Jay-Z pitched his music streaming company against the likes of Apple, Spotify, and YouTube—tech companies the music industry routinely found ways to blame for their own industry’s short failings. The constant complaints leveled against these billion-dollar corporations was that artists weren’t being fairly compensated for their work. The dollars that used to be made from CDs and even digital downloads shrunk down to fractions of pennies per individual song streams. Alicia Keys, one of the signers, in her rallying cry for the freshly rebranded company described Tidal as “the first ever artist-owned global music and entertainment platform.” Without a free option and in fact by offering a premium, higher audio quality mode, Tidal proposed that you should pay it to stream music and feel good about it, too.

          “Will artists make more money? Even if it means less profit for our bottom line, absolutely,” Jay-Z boldly asserted to Billboard back in 2015. “Less profit for our bottom line, more money for the artist; fantastic. Let’s do that today.” No longer were major labels going to hold all the power in the music industry, nor would aloof tech companies; no, this new era belongs to artists. The issue that appeared in this utopian vision is that music’s ruling class weren’t always looking out for those underneath them.

          Dagens Naeringsliv, a Norwegian newspaper that sits diligently on the Tidal beat, reported in May that the company allegedly falsified streaming numbers for Kanye West’s The Life of Pablo and Beyoncé’s Lemonade. The newspaper partnered with the Norwegian University of Science and Technology’s Center for Cyber and Information Security, which concluded that over 90 percent of Tidal users saw manipulated listening stats and that the company logged over 300 million fraudulent streams for the two artists. Tidal vehemently denied the claims, but in the 78-page report, the center concluded that it’d be highly unlikely for this level of data manipulation to occur from outside of the company. While it was a scandalous report, such claims are not outside of the ordinary for Tidal since Jay-Z’s purchase.

          Tidal’s lofty artist-first aspirations
          Months prior to Jay-Z’s entry into the music streaming market, another music superstar shook music streaming’s still-feeble foundation. Taylor Swift published a 2014 op-ed in the Wall Street Journal where she championed the traditional album format and engaging with one’s fans while dismissing music streaming: “Piracy, file sharing and streaming have shrunk the numbers of paid album sales drastically, and every artist has handled this blow differently,” she wrote. Far from an outlier opinion, artists from Swift to Radiohead’s front man Thom Yorke have spoken profusely about their displeasure with Spotify. Swift took it the next level by pulling her catalog from the service, suggesting that artists with enough clout could enter this new age on their own terms.

          Jay-Z pitched Tidal to musicians as well as fans an opportunity to embrace this new future without feelings like they were turning backs on their favorite artists. In April 2015, Jay-Z tweeted that Tidal would offer 75 percent royalties for artists, producers, and songwriters. However, Eric Harvey, an assistant professor at Grand Valley State University and frequent music commentator told NPR: “These are the one percent of pop music artists in the world right now...While technically they are performing the same sorts of labor as independent musicians are, they’re doing so at a fairly radically different scale.” Harvey observed that despite the big talk, this service potentially might only serve those powerful enough to stand next to Jay-Z on stage.


          Tidal was born from Jay-Z’s March 2015 purchase of Aspiro, the Norway-based company behind the European music streaming service WiMP and Tidal. The mogul wanted to break into the emerging streaming music space and conveniently beat to market Apple’s soon-to-launch Apple Music. Shortly after the company’s purchase, Asprio’s CEO Andy Chen left, kicking off a number of high profile executive exits from the company. Despite the c-suite turnover, Jay-Z announced via tweet in September that one million people were using the service without clarifying if this was paying subscribers, trial accounts mixed with subscribers, or what. The numbers put Tidal significantly behind Apple Music, Pandora, and Spotify, but there appeared to still be growth for the young streaming service.

          Tidal hit 2016 running by partnering with one of its investors, Rihanna, on the release of Anti, the pop star’s most recent album, by offering one million free downloads that arrived with a Tidal trial. The company repeated a similar exclusive strategy with Kanye West’s The Life of Pablo and Beyoncé’s Lemonade—again another pair of artists who invested in the company. The New York Times reported that Lemonade alone added 1.2 million subscribers to Tidal, potentially putting the company at 4.2 million subscribers; in April 2016, Apple Music’s global reported user base was 13 million and Spotify’s was near 100 million, according to an industry source. Jay-Z and his crew of pop gods created at least on paper a small, but growing, music streaming service.

          Jay-Z’s bad math
          Nestled between high-profile releases by West and Beyoncé, Tidal announced it sent a legal letter to the former owners of Aspiro for providing misleading information about the company’s subscriber base before Jay-Z’s purchase. Tidal said in a statement:

          It became clear after taking control of Tidal and conducting our own audit that the total number of subscribers was actually well below the 540,000 reported to us by the prior owners. As a result, we have now served legal notice to parties involved in the sale. While we cannot share further comment during active legal proceedings, we’re proud of our success and remain focused on delivering the best experience for artists and fans.

          “Baseless,” is how Anders Ricker, the director of communications at the Schibsted Media Group, which was the previous majority owner of Aspiro, described the accusations made by Tidal. In 2017, the Swedish site Breakit spoke to Taina Malén, who was formerly on the board of Aspiro, about the case Jay-Z put towards her former company. She dismissed it as “nothing,” saying Tidal never followed-up with any actions after its initial accusation of wrongdoing towards Aspiro’s former owners.

          Tidal’s subscriber numbers received such intensified attention because initial adoption of the service appeared to be slow and the company ceased providing any user base information, while its competition continued to show growth. An extensive 2017 Dagens Naeringsliv report alleged that Tidal’s subscriber numbers were inflated. The paper said according to multiple sources and documents that Tidal’s true subscriber base in September 2015 was closer 350,000—Jay-Z tweeted it was 1,000,000—and in March 2016 was 850,000—although Tidal said 3,000,000.

          According to documents obtained by Dagens Naeringsliv, Tidal in late 2015 after Jay-Z purchased, they saw a significant increase in its Denmark and Norway subscriber numbers, growing in the two countries by 170,000 subscribers. However, Dagens Naeringsliv reported that these numbers were artificially inflated according to Arthur Sund, the former head of business intelligence at Tidal, whose team noticed the sleight of hand the following day. Sund said he was frustrated the company was paying out money to labels for subscribers who weren’t even using the service just to show improving subscriber growth. “I deemed it unethical and asked critical questions,” said Arthur Sund when speaking to Dagens Naeringsliv. “But I considered it mostly idiotic to pay the record labels for customers we did not really have.”

          That reported action by the company raised a number of red flags about Tidal’s greater business practices. Royalties for all major music streaming companies are calculated using a pro rata model, so the money from subscriptions or potentially ad revenue is put in a massive pot and divided by the percent of streams that an artist accumulates. Simply put, the more streams an artist accumulates the more money they’ll make to the detriment of artists who aren’t able to achieve the same number of streaming numbers.

          That issue came to light when Dagens Naeringsliv reported that Tidal had added millions of extra streams to albums by Beyoncé and Kanye West. The paper said it obtained a hard drive containing inflated streaming numbers and compared it with the number of streams on the royalty sheets of Universal Music Group. The two numbers reportedly matched, and Tidal reportedly paid out $2.38 million to Universal in February 2016, the same month as the release of the The Life of Pablo. DN’s report ultimately accuses Tidal of paying the major label for illegitimate streams, while attempting to boost its numbers. If these allegations are true, then artists paid by Tidal that month would have seen their paychecks shrink as Kanye West’s share of the total percentage grew.

          Nine figure chaos
          Shuffling through CEOs—Tidal is currently on its fourth CEO since Jay’s purchase—and allegations of falsified subscriber and streaming numbers, unfortunately aren’t the only issues facing Jay-Z and Tidal. In early 2016, the New York-based band the American Dollar filed a class-action lawsuit against Tidal for unpaid royalties, but Tidal responded by saying the company did pay the royalties to the band. Back in September 2016, Dagens Naeringsliv also reported that Tidal had racked up 107 default notices for lack of payment, including to the Oslo World Music Festival, numerous record labels, and advertising firms.

          The ups-and-downs of 2016 were placed in stark relief at the top of 2017, when Jay-Z secured a $200 million investment from Sprint through purchasing a third of the music streaming company—an amount that dwarfed the initial $56 million that Jay-Z invested when he bought Aspiro. The move was a bit surprising. Recode in reporting on the story mockingly used the headline: “Jay Z is selling a third of Tidal, which makes sense. Sprint is buying a third of Tidal, which makes less sense.”

          The company’s concerning financial standing revealed itself in reports over the years that said in 2014 the company lost $10.4 million; $28 million in 2015; then nearly $44 million in 2016. Those reports aligned with the dim realities of music streaming, where even Spotify with over 170 million users and over 70 million paying subscribers still hasn’t turned a profit in nearly ten years. Jay-Z’s company took a big swing in a market where even its most successful competitors are constantly bleeding money.

          Jay-Z’s monetary concerns didn’t end with Tidal. In early May, TMZ reported that the Norwegian law firm Roschier Advokatbyrå AB filed a lawsuit against the rapper for unpaid legal bills that occurred when buying Aspiro, which the law firm confirmed to Gizmodo but didn’t care to offer any more comment on the case. The Swedish bank SEB also claimed that Jay-Z owed it hundreds of thousands of dollars in unpaid invoices in association with the purchase of Tidal, which it reaffirmed to Gizmodo when asked for comment.

          Shoddy stats, legal mess
          Lawsuits and investigations were only starting to pile up for Tidal last month. After the initial May Dagens Naeringsliv report about falsified streaming numbers, a number of European music groups announced probes into the company. The organizations expressed concerns about Tidal potentially depriving money for artists they represented and increasing reports that Tidal was chronically falling late in payments to labels. After these reports, Tidal said: “we have engaged an independent, third party cyber-security firm to conduct a review of what happened and help us further protect the security and integrity of our data,” but still the organizations pushed back against the company.

          TONO, a Norwegian musical collection group that represents producers and songwriters, filed a report to Norway’s National Authority for Investigation and Prosecution of Economic and Environmental Crime. Willy Martinsen, TONO’s director of communication, said to Gizmodo over email that the organization remained in conversation with Tidal, other musical societies, and repeated: “As we have stated continually we believe the complaint should also be in Tidal’s interest because they claim the data has been stolen and manipulated.”

          In Denmark, Koda, another music performance right organization, reiterated to Gizmodo that it’s hoping to review the same data Dagens Naeringsliv used to report their story. The group says it is also allowing time for Tidal and the Norwegian police to conclude their investigation before continuing with other measures like a potential external audit.

          The MFO, a Norwegian musician union with over 8,600 members, reported Tidal for fraud to the Norwegian police. GramArt, another musician’s organization reported Tidal to the Norwegian authorities. The group also responded to a statement from Tidal that implied such potential manipulation wouldn’t affect the payout for other artists, “Neither Tidal nor the specific artists would have gained economic benefits if the allegations were true,” said the company. A spokesperson for GramArt disagreed, arguing that such streaming data alteration would trickle down and effect others on the service because of the pro rata model used by Tidal. American performance rights organizations like ASCAP and BMI so far have remained silent about pursuing any investigations into Tidal payments issues—Gizmodo reached out to both companies for comment.

          Tidal’s initial public response to all of these accusations started off sharp. When Dagens Naeringsliv first reported on the alleged falsified Beyoncé and Kanye West streams, the company fired back in an email to Gizmodo saying:

          This is a smear campaign from a publication that once referred to our employee as an “Israeli Intelligence officer” and our owner as a “crack dealer.” We expect nothing less from them than this ridiculous story, lies and falsehoods. The information was stolen and manipulated and we will fight these claims vigorously.

          The company’s pointed public statement referenced a 2017 Dagens Naeringsliv article that highlighted Tidal’s reported manipulation of subscriber numbers. The “crack dealer” comment was in reference to Jay-Z, who while an accomplished businessman, sold millions of albums and won Grammy awards while rapping about dealing drugs. The other person mentioned in there response (“Israeli Intelligence Officer”) is Lior Tibon, who according to his LinkedIn page is Tidal’s Chief Operating Officer and served in the Israeli Defense Force from March 2002 to February 2006. Tidal’s public response to these accusations isn’t to highlight the great work they’ve done or the artist who are thriving on the platform, but rather to tear down those who speak any word of criticism.

          When reached for additional comment on a number of recent accusations facing the company, Tidal denied at length the reporting done by Dagens Naeringsliv. Reached by Gizmodo for comment, Tidal reiterated an argument it’s provided to other publications:

          We reject and deny the claims that have been made by Dagens Næringsliv. Although we do not typically comment on stories we believe to be false, we feel it is important to make sure that our artists, employees, and subscribers know that we are not taking the security and integrity of our data lightly, and we will not back down from our commitment to them.

          Jay-Z wanted Tidal to bring in a new guard for the streaming era—a company that potentially prioritized compensating the artists, unlike tech-first gatekeepers like Spotify and YouTube. But between shoddy stats and legal troubles, Tidal no longer appears to be offering a better solution to the problems artists are still facing. The company may continue as a vanity project for music’s privileged elite, but its goals of breaking down music industry walls feels over.

          Gizmodo.com

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          • Y'ALL TIDAL IS MESSING UP and apparently you can now download any album FOR FREE by using Nicki Minaj's new album promo code "Queen" and click "Redeem Voucher" (do not enter your credit card info).

            Finally y'all poor people can listen to LEMONADE legally. Do it now fast before TIDAL notices it!!! People on ATRL are already downloading +5 albums I'm done.

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            • I can't believe I missed this
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                So professional, I LIVE lol
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                • Re: TIDAL

                  Just cancel this shit app once and for all.
                  I am the maniac, I am the ghoul
                  I'm in the shadows in the corners of my room

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                  • They leaked “ANTI” and now they are messing up with Nicki and other artists... Jay-Z should be held accountable for these frauds :-?
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                      F R A U D S

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                      • [tweet:32wl06bj]https://twitter.com/babyheirafro/status/1083063744442388480[/tweet:32wl06bj]
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                        • Every time name TIDAL pops out I'm surprised to hear they still exist. They literally have 0 territories to fall back upon. Deezer at least has like half of France and a lot of visibility in Europe.
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                          but this is the first time I have ever received a gift from a goddess
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                          • Originally posted by beredy
                            Every time name TIDAL pops out I'm surprised to hear they still exist. They literally have 0 territories to fall back upon. Deezer at least has like half of France and a lot of visibility in Europe.
                            I was about to say the same. How are they managing to stay afloat?
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                            • TIDAL claims to have over 3 million paying subscribers, so each month they are generating $30 to $60 million dollars if the pricing structure is $9.99 to $19.99 a month. A lot of subscribers use TIDAL solely for the more expensive high quality premium tier.

                              Now out of that $30 million + monthly revenue they pay out 70%? to the rights holders and keep the rest. So at least $9 million dollars a month to pay staff and keep investors happy. That seems like a lot of money to me but I don't know how many people they have to pay. They should be fine.

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                              • Is that 3m paying subscribers number accurate?

                                The statement sounds like a stab at DN's report disputing Jay-Z's updates on Tidal's subscriber numbers just days before Sprint's investment. In September 2015, Jay-Z tweeted that Tidal had hit the 1 million member milestone, but the newspaper claimed internal payments to record labels revealed it to be closer to 350,000. Around six months later he claimed it had reached the 3 million member mark, whereas the number was 850,000. Meanwhile, Tidal had internally circulated a figure of 1.2 million subscribers. Since then, the company has kept quiet about user numbers.

                                https://www.engadget.com/2017/12/13/tid ... l-trouble/
                                Also read this:

                                In numbers shared with The Verge, MusicWatch estimates that Tidal today has around 3 million subscribers globally — including trial accounts — and around a 10 percent “aided awareness level” in the US. “That means if you show people a list of paid streaming services, 10 percent say they know about Tidal,” Crupnick said. “It’s about 50 percent for Spotify Premium or Apple Music.”

                                https://www.theverge.com/2018/6/28/1751 ... pple-music
                                The company would be screaming publicly if it was in profit, given the sheer amount of bad press it's had over the years - assuming the 1.2 million number to be accurate, that would equate to between $12-$24 million per month.

                                Spotify has 180 million users with 83 million of those people paying for the service (around 46%). Assuming the 3 million number to be correct for TIDAL, that would equate to around 1.4 million paying subscribers (so, 1.2-1.4 million might be the more accurate figure).

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                                • Re: TIDAL

                                  Tidal needs to fold so Lemonade gets added to Spotify.
                                  Queuing for Girls Aloud reunion tickets since 2013

                                  #FreeBritney

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                                  • Tidal Launches Unplugged, $1 Million Program to Support Emerging Musicians

                                    Tidal, the streaming platform headed by Jay-Z, today announced the launch of a million-dollar artist grant program intended to support emerging musicians. Called Tidal Unplugged and funded by a donation from venture capitalists and philanthropists Mark Lampert and Robert Nelsen, the program will kick off March 1 in Detroit, where Lampert’s grandfather started his musical career. Local artists will have the opportunity to submit their music through Tidal to receive part of the million dollar grant.

                                    According to the announcement, the selected artists will each work with the Tidal Unplugged team to create a personalized program aimed to cover resources needed to further their musical career. The grant can cover living expenses, equipment, studio time, and more as well as access to expertly guided recording and creative resources.


                                    Beginning March 1, 2019 Detroit residents can apply on TIDAL.com/Unplugged. According to the announcement, “artists from all genres are encouraged to submit, but music must be performed acapella or acoustically and must not rely heavily on digital elements.” The finalists will be announced in May. Following a pilot run in Detroit, Tidal aims to expand the program into other markets.


                                    “We recognize the power of streaming and the importance of supporting and encouraging emerging musicians,” said Jason Kpana, Tidal SVP of artist relations. “Being able to expand the program to support musicians in an authentic and substantial way is truly an honor.”


                                    Working with Tidal and utilizing the resources provided, the finalists will develop and finish four songs for distribution. Once the tracks are complete, they will exclusively premiere on Tidal and receive promotion through the platform’s Tidal Rising program; finalists will perform their songs at a showcase in November. Artists will maintain 100% ownership of recording masters.
                                    https://variety.com/2019/biz/news/ti...ns-1203144862/

                                    I know some of ya'll are going to have a field day with the name of the program.
                                    But. They might not get the Spotify numbers, but I'm glad they're pushing it for artists.
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                                    • I think those are the types of programmes they should've focused on from the get go instead of the elaborate rollout which, in my opinion, set a very negative outlook for them
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                                      • Tidal Adds Music, Video Sharing Social Features

                                        Tidal is becoming more social.

                                        From today, the streaming platform is unveiling upgrades which will allow its members to share music and video content via Instagram Stories, and tunes from Facebook Stories.

                                        For Tidal users on iOS and Android devices, the new sharing option will become visible when clicking the three-dot menu and selecting “share,” a statement explains. Music content, including playlists, will share to Instagram and Facebook Stories as an image, while videos will post with a brief preview to Instagram Stories and as a still to Facebook Stories.

                                        The Jay-Z owned streamer launched in March 2015 and today boasts a licensed library of 60 million songs, and more than 250,000 music videos. The company, however, wants its users to share the glory.

                                        “We see members every day sharing their favorite Tidal’s content across social media,” comments Tidal COO Lior Tibon in a statement announcing the changes. “With Tidal’s leading video catalog, it became a priority to better showcase the content and assimilate into other popular apps – we’re proud to continue leading the way for video content amongst our peers.”

                                        Tidal's main rivals, including Spotify, Apple Music and Deezer, have all made plays in the social space. Almost one-and-a-half years ago, Spotify and Instagram announced a new partnership that would enable users to share what they're listening to via their Instagram Stories. And in June of this year, Deezer launched lyric sharing on Instagram Stories.

                                        The new Tidal feature is currently being rolled out with members in the 53 markets it operates in, with updates going live throughout the week.

                                        It’s the second major revamp in as many months for Tidal, which in July added credit pages, highlighting the work of behind-the-scenes creatives.
                                        https://www.billboard.com/articles/b...ocial-features
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                                        • Give it up deelishis
                                          COMMON LOVE ISN'T FOR US...

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                                          • Norwegian Court Approves Data-Fraud Investigation of Tidal

                                            Whitney Houston

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                                            • expected tbh

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