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  • IMHO, it doesn't matter if this thread is a free-for-all, it balances out the tighter moderation of the artist and music threads. If the comments bother you, just avoid this one area.

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    • Originally posted by DnBLover View Post
      This is true. Two of the members in here would have been perma banned in two seconds in the old UKMix, these days it seems like nothing you do can get you even a warning. But UKMix is a ghost town these days
      True! I think that the mods think that if they ban those trolling and baiting the forum will be empty. But I think it's the exact opposite.
      I don't post here as often as I used to, because the level of conversation has dropped considerably in the last few months.
      "Complaining is an advertisement for stupidity"

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      • Originally posted by Eamon View Post
        Exactly. It is terribly sad to see how things have changed on UKmix and how this thread has been allowed to develop into a sess pit for trolls to say whatever they want. It would never have been tolerated before and I can’t understand why it’s being allowed to fester now. UKmix might be quieter now but surely not all activity should be tolerated simply because it’s activity. There were standards and rules here which made this forum different from other places. But anything seems to go now. It’s a shame.
        I have seen you be embroiled in arguments with many people in the Mariah topic, attacking anyone who dares to say anything less than 100 percent positive about her. Look at yourself before you talk about others.

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        • Originally posted by stevyy View Post
          me as well. I am grateful for all the fortune in my life, my family and friends and to be able to do what I love doing.

          And I am grateful for everyone of UKMIX. Stay safe everyone.

          x
          I love you, my favourite lamb.

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          • Guys, we all make mistakes in the way we treat others, no one is without fault. Personally, I have made a lot of mistakes in this regard when it comes to this community. However, finger-pointing defeats the purpose of the message, and just ushers in more negativity, IMO.

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            • Originally posted by ArmyOfMe View Post
              Guys, we all make mistakes in the way we treat others, no one is without fault. Personally, I have made a lot of mistakes in this regard when it comes to this community. However, finger-pointing defeats the purpose of the message, and just ushers in more negativity, IMO.
              I totally agree but the victim playing of a certain group in here is too much and not at all representative of the reality.

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              • Allegations of poor moderation predominantly extend to this area of the forum, specifically this topic, and I don't think it's necessarily without merit - the issue is that in trying to relax the rules and allow for a more open discussion forum, we appear to be missing the mark when it comes to keeping members satisfied (at least the more vocal ones, who predominantly interact in The Lounge).

                When I took over as owner of UKMIX, one of my first priorities was to relax the rules - I'm not precious over half naked men or the occasional swear word and I am strongly against permanent bans for e.g. I would also add that in the most recent Feedback Survey we had, the vast majority of feedback about moderation was very positive. Therefore, on the surface, we appear to be doing okay but if that's gone too far and we need to dial it back, then let's talk about that.

                Site activity has been declining year on year, for the last 10 years - but this isn't anything new and contrary to what some might think, maintaining site activity at the expense of losing less active but more prominent community mainstays is not what I want from UKMIX. If there are moderation issues, we need to deal with them.

                Now in terms of this topic. I think that the Random Thought Thread is not currently being used in its intended way and as I look back at some of the last few pages, I can definitely see why people are getting frustrated. Therefore, I'm open to some honest feedback from all - we couldn't decide as a moderation team, so what do you all think:

                Questions

                Should the Random Thought Thread be permanently closed?

                If not, should there be clearer rules about what is posted in here?

                If the Random Thought Thread was to go, what should it be replaced by?

                How do we get The Lounge as a whole more active? Does the fact that it's publicly available make a difference?

                Should we do something different with the Premium Members Lounge? E.g. should that be a forum open to established members only but provide a truly safe place for people to interact honestly and openly.

                For the next day or so, please quit with any Random Thoughts and let's deal with the issue above - as I said, here to listen.

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                • My personal view on that topic is that the Random Thought Thread can work if people take the thread seriously and don't discuss things that are mostly intended to harm others. I believe that it can work for serious as well as less serious issues that may not fit into another corner of the forum. I appreciate that moderators have become more generous and don't intervene immediately. Additionally, permanent bans should be limited to the absolute minimum that is straight-up trolling and spam, which is the current basis of moderation. What I can live without are defamation and the ongoing discussions about which female singer is more successful or talented. I know that I'm in the minority by saying that I like all kinds of music and don't limit myself to certain musicians, but I believe that there are more important topics than listing someone's No. 1 singles or Grammy awards every other week. If the overall mood of the thread would shift into a slightly different direction, I could imagine posting in here more often.
                  You dare to call me crazy, have you looked around this place?
                  I should walk away.
                  Oh, I should walk away.
                  But I think I'll stay.
                  (Miley Cyrus)

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                  • We should just move to my Pop Talk thread like I said a week ago

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                    • Maybe we should have a 'Stand Your Ground' thread (like on ATRL), where people can drag each other's faves, defend their own and bring up 'GOAT' all day long if it makes them happy.

                      People need a place to vent sometimes, but I agree that it shouldn't be in the Random Thought Thread. If we have a separate place for that kind of stuff, the Random Thought Thread can go back to how it was before.

                      Biscuit's post was really disrespectful though. You're doing an amazing job, Wayne.

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                      • Iíve said it before and Iíll say it again. Yíall pick and choose who to punish. I can post the most basic shit in all caps or add a curse word and one of yíall bitches is in my inbox with an infraction but yíall let these idiots troll all day long and no one bats an eye. Thatís not fair idc.

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                        • The people complaining about others in here are all biased and are all, not by coincidence members of one fan base. Those people didn't bat an eyelid when their fellow fans dragged and belittled Lil Nas X for months not did they complain when lambs ran into this thread last week bragging about Mariah being the billboard no 1 female just to say a F You to the Madonna fans or who had no issue with one of their own calling Anna Wintour a brainless bimbo. You cannot selectively complain about something. You have to be consistent in your outrage and this is not the case here.

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                          • You are literally the only one who brings up Mariah about EVERYTHINGGGGGGG damn did she forget to tip you or some shit?

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                            • Originally posted by Rihab View Post

                              Biscuit's post was really disrespectful though. You're doing an amazing job, Wayne.
                              As if you calling Taylor Swift listeners ex-nazis was very respectful
                              Cha Cha Instructor

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                              • I agree that there should be a "drag" thread where people can drag/shade other artists, etc. So people who don't want to read those can avoid the thread. It can be called the Ultimate Shade thread.
                                Cha Cha Instructor

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                                • Originally posted by InFamous View Post
                                  The people complaining about others in here are all biased and are all, not by coincidence members of one fan base. Those people didn't bat an eyelid when their fellow fans dragged and belittled Lil Nas X for months not did they complain when lambs ran into this thread last week bragging about Mariah being the billboard no 1 female just to say a F You to the Madonna fans or who had no issue with one of their own calling Anna Wintour a brainless bimbo. You cannot selectively complain about something. You have to be consistent in your outrage and this is not the case here.
                                  AlphaMale, DNBLover and Biscuits (although a fan) arenít lambs.

                                  You are one of the reasons this thread has become derailed. You are the biggest Mariah hating troll on this board at present and spent months trolling away in her topics. When called out, you play the victim and then do this fake ďgo Mariah rooting for you to go #1Ē act to deflect from your primary agenda which is troll. When called out by her fans, you moved over here to troll and got an audience because of ARat and a few others who agree with you. Your post here again shows how obsessed you are with Mariah and her fans. You canít keep her out of your mouth. If you donít like an artist, stop talking about them. But itís not about liking or disliking, your intention is to troll. You remind me so much of banned user Daboi that it wouldnít surprise me if youíre actually him. Back in the day you would have been banned long ago for the trolling youíve done.

                                  The Random Thoughts Threads and Unpopular Opinions were always enjoyable thread. They sparked debate, often controversial but when things went too far, they were always dealt with accordingly and never left to spiral out of control like this thread has done now. Relaxing the rules is great when it comes to swear words or more adult leaning discussions but trolling shouldnít be allowed. And certain members, use this forum as their go to place to troll. When a user is making post after post about an artist that are all negative, often not factual and are spreading an agenda to diminish the talent and success of an artist, that is trolling. And there should come a point where enough is enough.

                                  No one is saying that this thread canít be used for having discussions about artists, their hits, sales etc. It can be overkill at times but itís the intention of the member making these posts that needs to be questioned.

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                                  • Originally posted by Rihab View Post
                                    Maybe we should have a 'Stand Your Ground' thread (like on ATRL), where people can drag each other's faves, defend their own and bring up 'GOAT' all day long if it makes them happy.
                                    Sounds like a great idea. The real trolls won't like it (because disrupting real threads is their bag), but it would let stans banter a bit and leave other threads untouched.

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                                    • I’ve removed some posts temporarily. I want feedback on the above only for the next few hours - keep the Random Thoughts to yourselves for a bit.

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                                      • Originally posted by Rihab View Post
                                        Maybe we should have a 'Stand Your Ground' thread (like on ATRL), where people can drag each other's faves, defend their own and bring up 'GOAT' all day long if it makes them happy.

                                        People need a place to vent sometimes, but I agree that it shouldn't be in the Random Thought Thread. If we have a separate place for that kind of stuff, the Random Thought Thread can go back to how it was before.

                                        Biscuit's post was really disrespectful though. You're doing an amazing job, Wayne.
                                        The SYG sounds like a good idea. I would just make the thread available for members only though

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                                        • Originally posted by InFamous View Post
                                          The people complaining about others in here are all biased and are all, not by coincidence members of one fan base. Those people didn't bat an eyelid when their fellow fans dragged and belittled Lil Nas X for months not did they complain when lambs ran into this thread last week bragging about Mariah being the billboard no 1 female just to say a F You to the Madonna fans or who had no issue with one of their own calling Anna Wintour a brainless bimbo. You cannot selectively complain about something. You have to be consistent in your outrage and this is not the case here.
                                          .....

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                                          • Should the Random Thought Thread be permanently closed?

                                            No. But maybe it needs a new title bc. It is one of the most used and most popular threads on this forum, like a general discussion thread. Maybe "General Discussion" should be its new title.

                                            If not, should there be clearer rules about what is posted in here?

                                            I think this thread is used for EVERYTHING. I think everything should be allowed to be discussed in here.

                                            If the Random Thought Thread was to go, what should it be replaced by?

                                            If it were to be replaced, then by a new one which would have a new title, like "General Thoughts / Discission"

                                            How do we get The Lounge as a whole more active? Does the fact that it's publicly available make a difference?

                                            I think making new threads used to be sooo incredibly restrictive on UKMIX that it might have hindered random people to open new threads bc they were closed after minutes again. Lounge and General Music should be merged maybe.

                                            Should we do something different with the Premium Members Lounge? E.g. should that be a forum open to established members only but provide a truly safe place for people to interact honestly and openly.

                                            I have no opinion on that one.
                                            My Chart

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                                            • what we should do more of is to protect our asset which sets us apart from most other forums, which is the Charts discussion. UKMIX is still the best place for that bc we have the most devoted members in that section. Our content does appear on ATRL and other forums, often times without credit. I am not sure what we can do, but some forums rip us off.
                                              [MENTION=11323]Wayne[/MENTION] maybe your idea of only letting hand-picked members see that section would be a good idea, however, then it could lead to less traffic bc our charts section is our most prominent attraction. So I'm not sure about that. Maybe someone else has a better idea.
                                              My Chart

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                                              • Tbh it's just to stick around here. Threads go empty for days & days. It's great to have a place where trolling & Flamebait isn't allowed. But some light shade is funny. For example imo. Talking about Janet Jackson & her brothers upbringing with the joe Jackson is far from funny. But talking about her poor streams is a kii to me. It's just levels that should be allowed. Imo the strictness is killing atrl too. So all stans are running to Twitter.

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                                                • Originally posted by Eamon View Post
                                                  AlphaMale, DNBLover and Biscuits (although a fan) aren’t lambs.

                                                  You are one of the reasons this thread has become derailed. You are the biggest Mariah hating troll on this board at present and spent months trolling away in her topics. When called out, you play the victim and then do this fake “go Mariah rooting for you to go #1” act to deflect from your primary agenda which is troll. When called out by her fans, you moved over here to troll and got an audience because of ARat and a few others who agree with you. Your post here again shows how obsessed you are with Mariah and her fans. You can’t keep her out of your mouth. If you don’t like an artist, stop talking about them. But it’s not about liking or disliking, your intention is to troll. You remind me so much of banned user Daboi that it wouldn’t surprise me if you’re actually him. Back in the day you would have been banned long ago for the trolling you’ve done.

                                                  The Random Thoughts Threads and Unpopular Opinions were always enjoyable thread. They sparked debate, often controversial but when things went too far, they were always dealt with accordingly and never left to spiral out of control like this thread has done now. Relaxing the rules is great when it comes to swear words or more adult leaning discussions but trolling shouldn’t be allowed. And certain members, use this forum as their go to place to troll. When a user is making post after post about an artist that are all negative, often not factual and are spreading an agenda to diminish the talent and success of an artist, that is trolling. And there should come a point where enough is enough.

                                                  No one is saying that this thread can’t be used for having discussions about artists, their hits, sales etc. It can be overkill at times but it’s the intention of the member making these posts that needs to be questioned.
                                                  Hypocrite and biased. Also I was not calling out those posters who gave a general view on the thread.

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                                                  • Originally posted by Eamon View Post
                                                    AlphaMale, DNBLover and Biscuits (although a fan) aren’t lambs.

                                                    You are one of the reasons this thread has become derailed. You are the biggest Mariah hating troll on this board at present and spent months trolling away in her topics. When called out, you play the victim and then do this fake “go Mariah rooting for you to go #1” act to deflect from your primary agenda which is troll. When called out by her fans, you moved over here to troll and got an audience because of ARat and a few others who agree with you. Your post here again shows how obsessed you are with Mariah and her fans. You can’t keep her out of your mouth. If you don’t like an artist, stop talking about them. But it’s not about liking or disliking, your intention is to troll. You remind me so much of banned user Daboi that it wouldn’t surprise me if you’re actually him. Back in the day you would have been banned long ago for the trolling you’ve done.

                                                    The Random Thoughts Threads and Unpopular Opinions were always enjoyable thread. They sparked debate, often controversial but when things went too far, they were always dealt with accordingly and never left to spiral out of control like this thread has done now. Relaxing the rules is great when it comes to swear words or more adult leaning discussions but trolling shouldn’t be allowed. And certain members, use this forum as their go to place to troll. When a user is making post after post about an artist that are all negative, often not factual and are spreading an agenda to diminish the talent and success of an artist, that is trolling. And there should come a point where enough is enough.

                                                    No one is saying that this thread can’t be used for having discussions about artists, their hits, sales etc. It can be overkill at times but it’s the intention of the member making these posts that needs to be questioned.
                                                    Well said.
                                                    "Complaining is an advertisement for stupidity"

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