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  • I think changing the certs would be a disaster because so many stanbases will demand fairness.

    Plus, record labels are too cheap to pay for certs for albums that even sell that many copies. The days of the 90s where an album was at 2 million sold and they already paid for a 5m cert because the label was confident the album would eventually reach that number are long gone... even people like Taylor seem to be delayed in getting certs. 1989 was still certified 4x when it had already scanned over 5m, the days of the labels jumping on it and 10-20 albums were getting new certs every week are over, the labels frankly don't care about certs anymore.
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    • Originally posted by NothingFails
      I think changing the certs would be a disaster because so many stanbases will demand fairness.

      Plus, record labels are too cheap to pay for certs for albums that even sell that many copies. The days of the 90s where an album was at 2 million sold and they already paid for a 5m cert because the label was confident the album would eventually reach that number are long gone... even people like Taylor seem to be delayed in getting certs. 1989 was still certified 4x when it had already scanned over 5m, the days of the labels jumping on it and 10-20 albums were getting new certs every week are over, the labels frankly don't care about certs anymore.
      well, the label must have sold 5 million units of the album to an actual retailer for it to be certified - so in the 90's not only the label needed to be confident in it selling that much, but retail also. That's how albums are certified.

      BTW I've never come across an instant in which an album lost certs due to not fullfilling expectations and copies being sent back to the labels.
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      • Originally posted by biscuits
        Originally posted by MusicRecords
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        If you were moderator for a day, what would you do?
        Ban biscuits and lock the Mariah thread
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        • Originally posted by NothingFails
          Originally posted by MrDiva
          so basically you guys want germany's system to deal with streaming
          they exclude the 2 highest and the 2 lowest songs off
          Definitely. A big hit shouldn't inflate the album's chart position because a hit song doesn't automatically mean people are checking for the album itself. It didn't in any other decade either, there's always been big hits with albums nobody wants to buy, just now it's a big hit with 11 other tracks nobody wants to stream.
          That's true

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          • Originally posted by stevyy
            Originally posted by NothingFails
            I think changing the certs would be a disaster because so many stanbases will demand fairness.

            Plus, record labels are too cheap to pay for certs for albums that even sell that many copies. The days of the 90s where an album was at 2 million sold and they already paid for a 5m cert because the label was confident the album would eventually reach that number are long gone... even people like Taylor seem to be delayed in getting certs. 1989 was still certified 4x when it had already scanned over 5m, the days of the labels jumping on it and 10-20 albums were getting new certs every week are over, the labels frankly don't care about certs anymore.
            well, the label must have sold 5 million units of the album to an actual retailer for it to be certified - so in the 90's not only the label needed to be confident in it selling that much, but retail also. That's how albums are certified.

            BTW I've never come across an instant in which an album lost certs due to not fullfilling expectations and copies being sent back to the labels.
            The biggest one I could think of was BSB's Black And Blue, which was released in the Christmas season and everyone expected it to smash since it was following two albums that sold over 10m in the US on pure sales, it was automatically certified 8x platinum after a month, even though the sales collapsed once the Christmas season was over (I remember the album falling from #2 to #9 in one week and it never went back up) and the album only scraped a little past 5m... but Jive was so certain that 8 million was going to happen.

            I've never seen an album lose certs either, but it does seem like nowadays with sales much lower than before, the labels don;t have as much expendable petty cash to pay for certs even when Soundscan figures are available and show the album has sold more than enough to be gold or platinum. The fact that they took so long to recertify Taylor's album shows how far times have changed, in previous days the second the album reached 4x, they'd go ahead and certify it 5x, and so on.
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            • Tina Knowles remarried? Didn't even know her and Matthew had divorced

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              • Originally posted by biscuits
                Tina Knowles remarried? Didn't even know her and Matthew had divorced
                Yes, she remarried ~ two years ago, I think.

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                • streaming should totally be excluded
                  I am not trying to seduce you... Would you like me to seduce you? Is that what you're trying to tell me?

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                  • Originally posted by Erotica
                    streaming should totally be excluded
                    From the album charts, yes. From the Hot 100, no.
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                    • The only steaming that should count is the streams from accounts people paid for, and don't let a song count for a whole album. Couldn't it only count for people who've listened to at least half the album in the past week?

                      And there should be streaming certifications, not certifications riven due to streaming
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                      • Originally posted by Gravity
                        Originally posted by Erotica
                        streaming should totally be excluded
                        From the album charts, yes. From the Hot 100, no.
                        +1
                        If you wanna know a songs popularity look at its streaming numbers
                        An album, it's sales numbers
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                        • Counting streaming is like counting personal charts or pirate downloads, it also "measures consumption".

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                          • Originally posted by Crackiswack
                            Originally posted by Gravity
                            Originally posted by Erotica
                            streaming should totally be excluded
                            From the album charts, yes. From the Hot 100, no.
                            +1
                            If you wanna know a songs popularity look at its streaming numbers
                            An album, it's sales numbers
                            So streaming-only albums are flops by default? I don't think so.

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                            • ^ well, yeah

                              I didn't even know there were streaming only albums. Not good enough for people to spend moneys on?

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                              • Originally posted by Rihab
                                Originally posted by Crackiswack
                                Originally posted by Gravity
                                Originally posted by Erotica
                                streaming should totally be excluded
                                From the album charts, yes. From the Hot 100, no.
                                +1
                                If you wanna know a songs popularity look at its streaming numbers
                                An album, it's sales numbers
                                So streaming-only albums are flops by default? I don't think so.
                                Well I obviously wasn't counting streaming only albums, as the majority of albums are not streaming only. Bad example tbh
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                                • Now it may sound like I'm trolling but I'm pleasantly surprised and happy

                                  It's a new leaf!
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                                  • What album from A class (or rather D class) artist is streaming only ?

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                                    • Originally posted by Nippian93
                                      What album from A class (or rather D class) artist is streaming only ?
                                      Wasn't Frank Oceans, Beuonces and Rihanna's (all of them for the first week though)
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                                      • Originally posted by Crackiswack
                                        Originally posted by Nippian93
                                        What album from A class (or rather D class) artist is streaming only ?
                                        Wasn't Frank Oceans, Beuonces and Rihanna's (all of them for the first week though)
                                        At the beginning yes, because of their deals, I was talking about being only for streaming, not for a week or two days.

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                                        • I think we're both on the same page
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                                          • CMT's Cody Alan Comes Out As Gay

                                            2017. As we start a new year, there is something I want to share with you. You see, Iím gay. This is not a choice I made, but something I've known about myself my whole life. Through life's twists and turns, marriage, divorce, fatherhood, successes, failures - I've landed on this day, a day when I'm happier and healthier than Iíve ever been. And Iím finally comfortable enough for everyone to know this truth about me. Thanks for following me and supporting me over the years. As we continue our journey, I hope this news won't change how you see me. Iím still the same Cody I always was. You just know a little more about me now. My hope for the future is to live the most honest, authentic, loving, and open life possible. Here's to being happy with yourself, no matter who you are, who you love, where you come from, or what cards life has dealt you. Thanks again. With much heart,
                                            Cody
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                                            • Originally posted by biscuits
                                              ^ well, yeah

                                              I didn't even know there were streaming only albums. Not good enough for people to spend moneys on?
                                              I don't spend my money on buying albums anymore. Not because they are not good enough for my moneys worth, but because I already spend money on my Spotify account.
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                                              • No idea who he is, Trebor. But glad to see another person in country com out!

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                                                • It's like escorts. Can be nice, but not something you'd spend your money at.
                                                  be kind to every kind (also the unkind kind!!!!! )

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                                                  • Originally posted by Storyteller
                                                    No idea who he is, Trebor. But glad to see another person in country com out!
                                                    He's one of the faces of Country Music Television (US) and host at iHeartRadio (biggest US radio conglomerate).
                                                    ( BTW Will Kenny Chesney ever...? )
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