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  • #31
    it's disgusting how people in the gay scene do bottom shaming, makes fun of trans people, effems, and old gays. :(
    Most of us have been in the gay scene for a long time and have witnessed these deplorable and extremely shallow acts: places here that doesn't allow trans people, use of codes to discriminate and talk about old gays, etc.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Brad
      Originally posted by Graham76man
      So are you saying that the LGBT community has no power at all then? And that it is a collection of people grouped together for no purpose whatsoever?
      You must be trolling because this is just silly.
      I think you are saying that because you think some moderator might listen to you and ban me. For the reason Brad has a personal issue with me being on this forum and frequently demonstrates it in his actions in the same way that this thread is trying to show is happening inside the LGBT community. UKMIX Members should perhaps ignore what he is saying here.

      That aside...

      What I said makes perfect sense in the response to the original statement. The LGBT movement was started to gain rights for members of the community. To do this it has to have power. Power can be used for both good and bad purposes. LGBT members have used the "power" to get laws passed to stop discrimination. They are listened to and taken notice of because they have the power. ArmyOfMe said there was no "power system" in the thread title. When (as I have shown above) the LGBT is a power grouping. If it wasn't it would be a collection of people grouped together for no purpose whatsoever.
      In which case it would be called UKMIX and not LGBT

      As with all groups "power" can be used negatively.
      I do think we have to be careful though. For just because someone fits into the LGBT tag doesn't mean they are happy with the grouping. Therefore they are likely to have issues with those inside the LGBT community, as reported by those on this thread.
      Education for anyone aged 12 to 16 has made a mess of the world!

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Graham76man
        What I said makes perfect sense in the response to the original statement. The LGBT movement was started to gain rights for members of the community. To do this it has to have power. Power can be used for both good and bad purposes. LGBT members have used the "power" to get laws passed to stop discrimination. They are listened to and taken notice of because they have the power. ArmyOfMe said there was no "power system" in the thread title. When (as I have shown above) the LGBT is a power grouping. If it wasn't it would be a collection of people grouped together for no purpose whatsoever.
        The LGBT community is one thing, the LGBT movement is another. The LGBT community is an abstraction to group together people on the basis of certain characteristics, it doesn't imply that all of its members fight to obtain rights, nor that they are a power system.

        Originally posted by Graham76man
        If it wasn't it would be a collection of people grouped together for no purpose whatsoever.
        In which case it would be called UKMIX and not LGBT
        I wonder why you even write here if those are your thoughts on the people in this forum. I mean, one ought to enjoy their spare time and it doesn't seem like you do.

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Graham76man
          When (as I have shown above) the LGBT is a power grouping. If it wasn't it would be a collection of people grouped together for no purpose whatsoever.
          In which case it would be called UKMIX and not LGBT
          That makes no sense cos UKMIX does have a purpose as a group, aren't we all here cos we love music??? UKMIX is a music forum, that's the point :-?
          I've now met Dean Ambrose FOUR TIMES - 28/03/15, 02/04/16, 20/08/16 & 01/04/17!!

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          • #35
            ArmyOfOne you started this thread with a question. But it seems you have the same inbuilt prejudices as those who question who should be a member of the LGBT.

            To answer your question as to why I use this forum is that I find it interesting. I find that a great deal of the members are decent towards other people on this forum, myself included. However there are certain individuals that have got poor communication skills on this forum and behave like spoilt children. Perhaps because they are mostly aged under 29 years and still passing through puberty. There concept of life is shaded by naïve experiences. This is however to be expected since they have grown up passing through puberty in the closeted environment of school. Which teaches nothing of life.

            I can credit you with poor communication skills for a start as you clearly have no idea what this smiley " " means after my comment about UKMIX. There is also no difference between the LGBT community and movement. They are both the products of the Education Culture created by people with degrees in Sociology. As I stated before the only thing special to being LGBT is sex. As they are all just human beings just grouped together by people who went to University.

            I do have questions about the nature of UKMIX since it doesn't seem to be possible to have debates on issues such as this, because some moderator will come along and shut it down with some glib statement about it breaking the rules, when it clearly isn't. Mind you on some forums this kind of thread wouldn't be allowed any case as it could upset certain religious people.
            I've said my piece and will let those with no purpose continue the debate. Till a mod shuts it down.
            Education for anyone aged 12 to 16 has made a mess of the world!

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Shorty
              Originally posted by Graham76man
              When (as I have shown above) the LGBT is a power grouping. If it wasn't it would be a collection of people grouped together for no purpose whatsoever.
              In which case it would be called UKMIX and not LGBT
              That makes no sense cos UKMIX does have a purpose as a group, aren't we all here cos we love music??? UKMIX is a music forum, that's the point :-?
              I will referrer the member to the answer I just posted. But also point out that this section and this thread has nothing to do with music whatsover
              Education for anyone aged 12 to 16 has made a mess of the world!

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              • #37
                The topic doesn't risk any lock if people keep on talking about LGBT issues and not how bad my communication skills are, which is clearly off topic (also intellectually dishonest and annoying, but let's not delve into it more than it deserves)

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Graham76man
                  Originally posted by Shorty
                  Originally posted by Graham76man
                  When (as I have shown above) the LGBT is a power grouping. If it wasn't it would be a collection of people grouped together for no purpose whatsoever.
                  In which case it would be called UKMIX and not LGBT
                  That makes no sense cos UKMIX does have a purpose as a group, aren't we all here cos we love music??? UKMIX is a music forum, that's the point :-?
                  I will referrer the member to the answer I just posted. But also point out that this section and this thread has nothing to do with music whatsover
                  LOL good job Graham you missed my point entirely, well done

                  Originally posted by ArmyOfMe
                  The topic doesn't risk any lock if people keep on talking about LGBT issues and not how bad my communication skills are, which is clearly off topic (also intellectually dishonest and annoying, but let's not delve into it more than it deserves)
                  Yeah, I agree, this entire conversation is off topic and is ruining the thread. Back on topic now
                  I've now met Dean Ambrose FOUR TIMES - 28/03/15, 02/04/16, 20/08/16 & 01/04/17!!

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                  • #39
                    I don't have anything against Bi people, and I do believe it's true, not just "not brave enough to admit", but I'm not sure if I could ever date one. They were out and about it, it's discusting. :-?

                    j/k it's cuz of that, I just think I couldn't handle it knowing that everyone is a potentional object of attraction, like, you can't rule girls out, but then again, maybe it would be different if it really happened to me.
                    be kind to every kind (also the unkind kind!!!!! )

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Serby
                      j/k it's cuz of that, I just think I couldn't handle it knowing that everyone is a potentional object of attraction, like, you can't rule girls out, but then again, maybe it would be different if it really happened to me.
                      Mmmh, this is a problem only if you are a very jealous person. A relationship is based on trust, so I don't think it matters as long as you're sure he's faithful to you
                      I'm friends with some bi girls and their boyfriends/girlfriends aren't any more jealous than they would normally be if their partners weren't bi.

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                      • #41
                        Actually, maybe it'S even better to be with a bi guy, cuz after kitty, they be apreciating peens even more.

                        I agree about the bottom shaming. The hoe/sloth is always the one recieving and it has to do with them beeing seen as women, and we know how women are treated when it comes to promiscuitity (or whatever's the spelling).
                        be kind to every kind (also the unkind kind!!!!! )

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Serby
                          Actually, maybe it'S even better to be with a bi guy, cuz after kitty, they be apreciating peens even more.

                          I agree about the bottom shaming. The hoe/sloth is always the one recieving and it has to do with them beeing seen as women, and we know how women are treated when it comes to promiscuitity (or whatever's the spelling).

                          You are right and even though I don't 'shame' bottoms etc , that system of beliefs is built into me.
                          I always think of bottoms as the 'less masculine ones' naturally.
                          It is usually reinforced with the media and even porn (although that is slowly changing).
                          I think the LGBT community as a whole really isn't much of a community anymore. In my life experience, most gays detest eachother, openly or in a frenemy type way.

                          The rise of the 'app culture' really has undone a lot of what gay men tried to do after the disgusting attitude towards gays and HIV/AIDS.

                          It is such a shame to see gay clubs largely dead/devoid of anyone looking for a night out witha possible kiss (exagerration slightly).
                          Now you walk into a club bar and it's a list of 'exes' (one night stands) and people that you've seen every part of and still pressed block.
                          With the app culture and our presentation on that, and due to the gay community being a lot less prevalent than the straight community, you could have judged/ridiculed and blocked someone and have that dismissive attitude before you've even physically seen a person. When you do see them you already have an image of what they must be like.
                          I really think it is hard being still in my twenties and feeling like an 'old romantic' in a sea opf trash.
                          "What goes around comes back around my baby"

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                          • #43
                            OT, but I've problem that my both sides, being hormonal teen thinking only about sex and hopless romatic, are there at the same time, it's just that my body usually chooses the first one cuz it's much easier.

                            I also dislike kweens. I'm not talking about femenine guys, that's one thing and it's okay, it's about those guys that are acting like some divas and are annoying, like stfu.
                            be kind to every kind (also the unkind kind!!!!! )

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by aaliyahman
                              Originally posted by Serby
                              Actually, maybe it's even better to be with a bi guy, cuz after kitty, they be appreciating peens even more.

                              I agree about the bottom shaming. The ho/sloth is always the one receiving and it has to do with them being seen as a woman, and we know how women are treated when it comes to promiscuity (or whatever the spelling is).
                              You are right and even though I don't 'shame' bottoms etc , that system of beliefs is built into me.
                              I always think of bottoms as the 'less masculine ones' naturally.
                              What does it matter? Gay guys making each other feel bad seems stupid to me, gay people are expected to feel ashamed just for being gay in the first place, it all seems so dumb to me to create another "issue". Believe it or not some gay couples don't even perform anal penetration at all, I know "shock horror".

                              * I've also amended Serbz accidental typos.
                              My tits are made of silicone, just like the Earth and sea...

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                              • #45
                                Quite a few I had.
                                be kind to every kind (also the unkind kind!!!!! )

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                                • #46
                                  There's a few more there but I left the more casual ones.

                                  Why did you write "sloth" though?
                                  My tits are made of silicone, just like the Earth and sea...

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                                  • #47
                                    slut is too explicit for this forum, i guess? realising just now that that's the name of that animal lol
                                    be kind to every kind (also the unkind kind!!!!! )

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                                    • #48
                                      Come and get it Serbz he's put eye shadow on and everything.



                                      My tits are made of silicone, just like the Earth and sea...

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                                      • #49
                                        Originally posted by Serby
                                        slut is too explicit for this forum, i guess? realising just now that that's the name of that animal lol
                                        I thought you were talking about James Arthur
                                        Cha Cha Instructor

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                                        • #50
                                          Originally posted by CrazyCrazy
                                          Originally posted by aaliyahman
                                          Originally posted by Serby
                                          Actually, maybe it's even better to be with a bi guy, cuz after kitty, they be appreciating peens even more.

                                          I agree about the bottom shaming. The ho/sloth is always the one receiving and it has to do with them being seen as a woman, and we know how women are treated when it comes to promiscuity (or whatever the spelling is).
                                          You are right and even though I don't 'shame' bottoms etc , that system of beliefs is built into me.
                                          I always think of bottoms as the 'less masculine ones' naturally.
                                          What does it matter? Gay guys making each other feel bad seems stupid to me, gay people are expected to feel ashamed just for being gay in the first place, it all seems so dumb to me to create another "issue". Believe it or not some gay couples don't even perform anal penetration at all, I know "shock horror".

                                          * I've also amended Serbz accidental typos.

                                          It happens in every culture community. The issue isn't suddenly here, it's been going on since Ancient days. Look up pederasty. The only difference is the youth has taken on the form of a twink or an effeminate man. It's still perpetuated these days.
                                          "What goes around comes back around my baby"

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                                          • #51
                                            Originally posted by CrazyCrazy
                                            * I've also amended Serbz accidental typos.
                                            I was reading the quoted post and was like wow serby's spelling has improved so much, and then saw this + his original post
                                            last.fm

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                                            • #52


                                              Anyway, aaliyahman, funny (or weird), but Serbian word for a fag*ot is peder.
                                              be kind to every kind (also the unkind kind!!!!! )

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                                              • #53
                                                1. Homosexual people not supporting Same sex couples adopting = / = Homophobia
                                                2. Homosexual people saying Gays are sluts = / = Homophobia

                                                I'm bisexual and while I agree same sex marriage should be legal EVERYWHERE, I personally don't support adoption. That doesn't mean I'm Homophobic for God's sake

                                                About the "Bottom shaming" thing among the Gay community, I personally think it doesn't really have to do specifically with the sexual ortientation itself. Its just that some of them could be very effeminate and that generally turns off or annoys people in general. Its not a rejection towards the sexual orientation hence its not homophobia, its a rejection towards the way they act. I've observed and noticed that when the Gay guy is not effeminate, acts normal and is respectful he is completely accepted in the gay community and shows higher levels of acceptance or tolerance in the straight community than the ones that are fem gays.
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                                                • #54
                                                  i dont like the cristiano ronaldo type of male... like this super waxed, shining/oily body, tanning booth abusing, wet gel haired male.

                                                  gives me shivers.
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                                                  • #55
                                                    Originally posted by MrLeonix
                                                    1. Homosexual people not supporting Same sex couples adopting = / = Homophobia
                                                    2. Homosexual people saying Gays are sluts = / = Homophobia
                                                    Slut shaming is something different, you're right on that. But thinking that being sluts is a behaviour only relegated to your own community is a form of discrimination.
                                                    Same goes for the adoption thing: I get that there are a lot of gays (not only them) who are against the social construction of family, but one can wish not to form one and still give others freedom to do it. If a gay man is against same sex adoption for himself, then good for him. Otherwise, it's still a form of discrimination.

                                                    Originally posted by MrLeonix
                                                    I'm bisexual and while I agree same sex marriage should be legal EVERYWHERE, I personally don't support adoption. That doesn't mean I'm Homophobic for God's sake

                                                    About the "Bottom shaming" thing among the Gay community, I personally think it doesn't really have to do specifically with the sexual ortientation itself. Its just that some of them could be very effeminate and that generally turns off or annoys people in general. Its not a rejection towards the sexual orientation hence its not homophobia, its a rejection towards the way they act. I've observed and noticed that when the Gay guy is not effeminate, acts normal and is respectful he is completely accepted in the gay community and shows higher levels of acceptance or tolerance in the straight community than the ones that are fem gays.
                                                    One can be bottom and not be effeminate and vice versa. It's only a matter of gender roles, and what doesn't coincide with gender roles is stigmatized.
                                                    The concept itself of being effeminate is only dictated by gender roles and doesn't make much sense to me, tbh. I get the fact that there are vulgar gays in the same way that there are vulgar straight people, but that doesn't have to have anything to do with sexual orientation. I have a very "effeminate" friend who's one of the best people I've ever known, and not the kind of trashy f****t that a lot of people have in mind when thinking about this category.

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                                                    • #56
                                                      Originally posted by stevyy
                                                      i dont like the cristiano ronaldo type of male... like this super waxed, shining/oily body, tanning booth abusing, wet gel haired male.

                                                      gives me shivers.
                                                      Nor me. He's the human equivalent of a 'Ken doll' Far too plastic for my taste. But I know a lot of people who absolutely think he's a Greek God.
                                                      It might sound like I'm an unapologetic bitch
                                                      But sometimes you know I gotta call it like it is

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                                                      • #57
                                                        Originally posted by Serby
                                                        Actually, maybe it'S even better to be with a bi guy, cuz after kitty, they be apreciating peens even more.
                                                        :-? That's a bit rude towards women Serby...
                                                        I've now met Dean Ambrose FOUR TIMES - 28/03/15, 02/04/16, 20/08/16 & 01/04/17!!

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                                                        • #58
                                                          Originally posted by Madgefan
                                                          Originally posted by stevyy
                                                          i dont like the cristiano ronaldo type of male... like this super waxed, shining/oily body, tanning booth abusing, wet gel haired male.

                                                          gives me shivers.
                                                          Nor me. He's the human equivalent of a 'Ken doll' Far too plastic for my taste. But I know a lot of people who absolutely think he's a Greek God.
                                                          Those types of guys aren't my bag either - I think they'd be too into themselves to ever love someone tbh.

                                                          Originally posted by Shorty
                                                          Originally posted by Serby
                                                          Actually, maybe it'S even better to be with a bi guy, cuz after kitty, they be apreciating peens even more.
                                                          :-? That's a bit rude towards women Serby...
                                                          Yes can we not get into a kitty vs peen war here? (And yes, you are being a bit rude here Serbs. Whilst this site is predominantly full of gays, don't forget there are some women here & saying stuff like that is not very nice.)

                                                          IMO, all genitalia looks disgusting, regardless of whether it belongs to a man or a woman. Let's face it, it's not the most prettiest part of the body.
                                                          Let's embrace the point of no return.

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                                                          • #59
                                                            Hey, Serby just meant that the variety involved makes the bi stuff more interesting, he could also have taken the other point of view, but he has taken his one. I did not read any downgrading of female genitalia.
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                                                            • #60
                                                              ^ This. I obviously find male bits more beautiful estethically, maybe not even related to my sexuality.
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