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  • With between 5 and 10% of the population being LGBT, I assume (without having looked up statistics!) that most LGBT people are the only ones among their siblings. Do you know any cases of multiple LGBT people among siblings?

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    • I don't think I know any myself, but I know there are like Jeangu Macrooy who will represent the Netherlands at Eurovision. He and his twin brother both are gay. But identical twins share the same DNA, I believe, so maybe that's not a surprise.
      Maybe stevyy knows more about twins? I know his twin is straight, but perhaps they are not identical.
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      • i know two sets of two brothers who are both gay. not twins.

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        • I am a bit puzzled that DNA has come into this discussion... I am somehow still at the point when it was claimed that while homosexuality is not a choice, it is also not genetic because if it was, that would open the doors into classifying it as a disease. When did that change???
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          • Originally posted by jio View Post
            I am a bit puzzled that DNA has come into this discussion... I am somehow still at the point when it was claimed that while homosexuality is not a choice, it is also not genetic because if it was, that would open the doors into classifying it as a disease. When did that change???
            Well it was only Ray Ray who mentioned DNA

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            • @jio: If homosexuality is neither genetic nor choice, it has to be due to socialisation or is there another way to interpret it?

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              • My ex partner and his two years older brother are also both gay. They don‘t have other siblings.

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                • I have no idea if DNA has anything to do with it. I haven't done research about it. It just seems logical as it's not a choice and you're born gay.
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                  • I am queer and my brother is too

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                    • Originally posted by RayRay View Post
                      I have no idea if DNA has anything to do with it. I haven't done research about it. It just seems logical as it's not a choice and you're born gay.
                      Well, I don't know but from a political point of view, going down that road seems very dangerous.
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                      • Originally posted by jio View Post

                        Well, I don't know but from a political point of view, going down that road seems very dangerous.
                        Political point of view?!

                        It's common knowledge that we are born this way. It's not a choice, whatever you may think.
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                        • Originally posted by RayRay View Post

                          Political point of view?!

                          It's common knowledge that we are born this way. It's not a choice, whatever you may think.
                          There is nothing funny about what I said. And I myself said that it is not a choice, pay a bit more attention to my posts before you answer to them.
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                          • This German couple got their child through surrogacy in the US (It's not legally allowed in Germany.) and paid more than $100k for the whole process. On one hand, it's great that they could fullfil their biggest dream, on the other hand, it's crazy that you need to spend $100k on having a child - a sum people with low income could not afford. Don't they deserve to have a child, too?

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                            • Zach and Alastair Garcia-Patton are a same-sex married couple. Both recently got Corona and are supervised by the health department via phone. Apparently, Zach got asked multiple times how his roommate is doing. Has any of your partners ever been referred to as your 'roommate' ?

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                              • Originally posted by theMathematician View Post
                                Zach and Alastair Garcia-Patton are a same-sex married couple. Both recently got Corona and are supervised by the health department via phone. Apparently, Zach got asked multiple times how his roommate is doing. Has any of your partners ever been referred to as your 'roommate' ?
                                No, but we have gotten some "misunderstandings" about our relationship. One time at our holiday resort they made excuses for the beds next to each other and they felt very uneasy when we said to leave it like that...
                                Friends of us had a similar situation when they were on holiday in New York, which you would think would be okay with a men couple. But they gave them another room with the beds apart and our friends were afraid to say they were a couple as the hotel manager made it clear it was very wrong of them to have the beds side by side.

                                The funniest thing was when we moved to our apartment (this was before we moved to the house we live in now). My husband met our neighbour (an older man in his 80s) and a few days later I also ran into our neighbour down in the garage. So I introduced myself and he asked me which apartment I lived in. So I told him the number.
                                But he was like: "No, that can't be."
                                And I said I was sure about the number and he was like: "No, another man lives there. I met him the other day."
                                So I was like: "I live there too."
                                He: "Are you brothers?"
                                Me: "No."
                                He: "But you live there too..."
                                Me: "Yes, I do."
                                He: "Oh..."

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                                • Regarding your holiday experience: Doesn't money make the world go round? I would've told them the following: 'You have got two options: 1. You take our money and we have our beds the way we want them to be like. 2. We immediately quit and find us another hotel that wants our money and is willing to fulfill our desires.'. There are quite a few regions in the world whosw main income comes through tourism. I don't think they can afford to be picky.
                                  Regarding the neighbour: It's a different generation, you need to be patient with that. Besides, are shared appartments uncommon around where you live? In my country, it's not uncommon for young people to live together with others because they can't afford an appartment on their own - especially in bigger cities.

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                                  • Originally posted by theMathematician View Post
                                    Regarding your holiday experience: Doesn't money make the world go round? I would've told them the following: 'You have got two options: 1. You take our money and we have our beds the way we want them to be like. 2. We immediately quit and find us another hotel that wants our money and is willing to fulfill our desires.'. There are quite a few regions in the world whosw main income comes through tourism. I don't think they can afford to be picky.
                                    Regarding the neighbour: It's a different generation, you need to be patient with that. Besides, are shared appartments uncommon around where you live? In my country, it's not uncommon for young people to live together with others because they can't afford an appartment on their own - especially in bigger cities.
                                    We usually book the complete package: hotel, plane, car, etc. So it's a lot of hassle if you want to change part of it. But they felt more uneasy when they realised we were a couple than we did. (About our friends: I would have made it clear we wouldn't take another room.)
                                    As for the apartment, yes, there are young people who share. But this was not an apartment for youngsters just starting out. Once our neighbour got to know us better we became very friendly with him and his wife. Very lovely people. Yes, it was a generation thing. He just didn't realise we could be a couple.

                                    When I had just moved in with my partner, I had to teach a class of 11 year olds (their teacher was sick).
                                    So this girl asked me: Are you married?
                                    Me: No.
                                    Girl: Do you still love with your parents?
                                    Me: No.
                                    Girl: Oh, you live alone.
                                    Me: No.
                                    Girl looking very puzzled.
                                    Me: I live with my boyfriend.
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                                    • Originally posted by RayRay View Post

                                      We usually book the complete package: hotel, plane, car, etc. So it's a lot of hassle if you want to change part of it. But they felt more uneasy when they realised we were a couple than we did. (About our friends: I would have made it clear we wouldn't take another room.)
                                      As for the apartment, yes, there are young people who share. But this was not an apartment for youngsters just starting out. Once our neighbour got to know us better we became very friendly with him and his wife. Very lovely people. Yes, it was a generation thing. He just didn't realise we could be a couple.

                                      When I had just moved in with my partner, I had to teach a class of 11 year olds (their teacher was sick).
                                      So this girl asked me: Are you married?
                                      Me: No.
                                      Girl: Do you still love with your parents?
                                      Me: No.
                                      Girl: Oh, you live alone.
                                      Me: No.
                                      Girl looking very puzzled.
                                      Me: I live with my boyfriend.
                                      Is it normal to have that level of informality with students when they just ask you about your private life like that ? I just cannot imagine that level of informality here between teacher and students of 10/ 11 years of age.

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                                      • Originally posted by InFamous View Post

                                        Is it normal to have that level of informality with students when they just ask you about your private life like that ? I just cannot imagine that level of informality here between teacher and students of 10/ 11 years of age.
                                        I think it's very important to build a bond with your students. On Monday the children tell about their weekend. And so do I. Of course I will focus on stuff the children will find interesting like going to the forest with our dogs or watching The Voice. But I think it's very important the children know it's very normal that I'm married to another man, so I very casual tell them about our life.
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                                        • Originally posted by RayRay View Post

                                          I think it's very important to build a bond with your students. On Monday the children tell about their weekend. And so do I. Of course I will focus on stuff the children will find interesting like going to the forest with our dogs or watching The Voice. But I think it's very important the children know it's very normal that I'm married to another man, so I very casual tell them about our life.
                                          Oh i totally respect your decision to do that. I was just curious about the level of informality there. But I guess it depends on the teacher and their decision to share or not. I imagine every teacher would not be like that.

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                                          • Originally posted by InFamous View Post

                                            Is it normal to have that level of informality with students when they just ask you about your private life like that ? I just cannot imagine that level of informality here between teacher and students of 10/ 11 years of age.
                                            You're from the UK?

                                            I went there for teaching practice for a few months (London). It was like a different world. All the children were wearing uniforms (which is something I experienced myself while living in Singapore, but never in the Netherlands). Also, the children were very polite. First day I went to that school in London, the children didn't ask me anything and just kept on working quietly. When a stranger walks into my classroom, the children will immediately ask who this person is. And when I let him/her introduce him/herself, the children will usually ask questions like: "Are you married? Do you have children? Do you have pets? What colour do you like?"
                                            When I left London I wrote letters to the children/class about my life in the Netherlands and for over a year they wrote me letters in return. Then when I wrote about having a boyfriend and moving in with him, their teacher never posted another letter and I never heard from them again...
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                                            • Originally posted by InFamous View Post

                                              Oh i totally respect your decision to do that. I was just curious about the level of informality there. But I guess it depends on the teacher and their decision to share or not. I imagine every teacher would not be like that.
                                              True. I have female colleague who lives with a woman and a man. She only talks about her boyfriend (and son) to most colleagues. New collegues probably don't even know she also has a girlfriend.
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                                              • Originally posted by RayRay View Post

                                                You're from the UK?

                                                I went there for teaching practice for a few months (London). It was like a different world. All the children were wearing uniforms (which is something I experienced myself while living in Singapore, but never in the Netherlands). Also, the children were very polite. First day I went to that school in London, the children didn't ask me anything and just kept on working quietly. When a stranger walks into my classroom, the children will immediately ask who this person is. And when I let him/her introduce him/herself, the children will usually ask questions like: "Are you married? Do you have children? Do you have pets? What colour do you like?"
                                                When I left London I wrote letters to the children/class about my life in the Netherlands and for over a year they wrote me letters in return. Then when I wrote about having a boyfriend and moving in with him, their teacher never posted another letter and I never heard from them again...
                                                No uniforms! wow thats super informal. I guess it is a different approach !

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                                                • Originally posted by InFamous View Post

                                                  No uniforms! wow thats super informal. I guess it is a different approach !
                                                  First time I wanted to go to work wearing shorts, t-shirt and flip-flops my husband wouldn't let me. (He's English.)
                                                  It was really hot that day and when I arrived at school... all my male colleagues were wearing shorts, t-shirt and flip-flops...
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                                                  • Was the girl coming from another country? In some places, it's usual to live with your parents until you marry, so she might've used that as standard first. I wonder whether the same conversation would've happened in my country as there are actually quite a few options possible even after the third 'no'.

                                                    Regarding the level of informality: I don't think there's like one way to handle it in my country as it depends on the age group and the teacher's personality. I used to work at a school and when the children asked me personal questions, I refused to answer them as I didn't want these answers used against me at some point.
                                                    Last edited by theMathematician; Wed March 3, 2021, 23:12.

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