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  • #31
    Monica seles >>>>>>>> steffi

    If there was.no stabbing, monica would have become the greatest

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    • #32
      OMG CONGRATS ROGER

      WHAT A DRAMATIC EPIC ENDING

      THIS IS HIS SWEETEST WIN EVER FOR ME
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      • #33
        Congrats to federer.

        Although i felt the crowd was against nadal.....

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        • #34
          Can't we have Serena and Roger play each other?
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          • #35
            Originally posted by Formusic
            OMG CONGRATS ROGER

            WHAT A DRAMATIC EPIC ENDING

            THIS IS HIS SWEETEST WIN EVER FOR ME
            I still feel like if only Nadal had the first service, he could have won the finals.
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            • #36
              Nadal had more than 70 percentage of this first service, while Federer about 60%.

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              • #37
                Nadal seems slower to me.

                At his peak, he was 1-2 steps quicker on the court. He was able to get so many balls back into play and stay in rallys longer

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by SmartIsNewSexy
                  Nadal seems slower to me.

                  At his peak, he was 1-2 steps quicker on the court. He was able to get so many balls back into play and stay in rallys longer
                  He is slower and reluctant to play long rallies, he´s far from his marathon man days as he´s too fearful to be injured again. Besides, he was lackin power and intensity today, let´s not forget he played 5 hours just 2 days ago and Federer had one more rest day. Still, I´m shocked he let a 3/1 lead in the fifth set go against a player he dominates. Congratulations to Federer anyway as he played superb, specially with his serve.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by SmartIsNewSexy
                    Monica seles >>>>>>>> steffi

                    If there was.no stabbing, monica would have become the greatest
                    Regarding the first sentence, absolute truth. To me, what Navratilova did (about 170 singles titles and more than 300 with doubles) is unparalleled, she´s the GOAT in my opinion, but who am I if experts say GS is what it counts.

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                    • #40
                      well done Roger. So deserved. I want him to win the calender year Grand Slam this season. It would be magical.

                      Also congrats to Serena who only needed to play 5 more seasons than Graf in order to surpass her.
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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Juancito75
                        Originally posted by SmartIsNewSexy
                        Monica seles >>>>>>>> steffi

                        If there was.no stabbing, monica would have become the greatest
                        Regarding the first sentence, absolute truth. To me, what Navratilova did (about 170 singles titles and more than 300 with doubles) is unparalleled, she´s the GOAT in my opinion, but who am I if experts say GS is what it counts.
                        well, 107 title wins for Graf are nothing to be ashamed of:

                        1986 - 8
                        1987 - 11 1 GS + 2 Finals
                        1988 - 11 4 GS
                        1989 - 14 3 GS + 1 Final
                        -- that was before Seles became a thing --

                        1990 - 10 1 GS + 2 Finals
                        1991 - 7 1 GS
                        1992 - 8 1 GS + 1 Final

                        -- POST Seles --
                        1993 - 10 3 GS + 1 Final
                        1994 - 7 1 GS + 1 Final
                        1995 - 9 3 GS
                        1996 - 7 3 GS

                        -- Graf's injury years :: + hiatus --
                        1997 - 1 0 GS
                        1998 - 3 0 GS

                        -- Graf's return --
                        1999 - 1 1 GS + 1 Final

                        -- Graf reached 13 consecutive GS Finals vs. Seles only reached 6
                        -- Graf had a down time during Seles' Prime (if you can call 3 wins and 3 finals + 25 titles in total a downtime)
                        -- in spring of 1998 Graf was not ranked on the WTA rankings anymore due to not having played for 12 months... by year's end she was #9 again.

                        I will never stop praising her achievements because she is the GREATEST German human who has ever lived and the most popular German in Germany of all times.

                        to all the haters who claim Seles' superiority, let's recap how many times Graf and Seles have met

                        1989: 3:0
                        French Open SF: Graf beats Seles 6:3, 3:6, 6:3
                        Wimbledon R16: Graf beats Seles 6:0, 6:1
                        Brighton Final: Graf beats Seles 7:5, 6:4

                        1990: 0:2
                        Berlin Final: Seles beats Graf 6:4, 6:3
                        French Open: Seles beats Graf 7:6, 6:4

                        1991: 2:0
                        San Antonio Final: Graf beats Seles 6:4, 6:3
                        Hamburg Final: Graf beats Seles 7:5, 6:7, 6:3

                        1992: 1:1
                        French Open Final: Seles beats Graf 6:2, 3:6, 10:8
                        Wimbledon Final: Graf beats Seles 6.2, 6:1

                        1993: 0:1
                        Australian Open Final: Seles beats Graf 4:6, 6:3, 6:2

                        So during Seles' prime they only met 10 times and Graf won 6 matches, Seles won 4. If anything this analysis shows that Graf had a rocky 1990-1992 in which she would not play too well on GS.. Of all her 9 GS singles titles, Seles beat Graf only on 3 occasions.
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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by SmartIsNewSexy
                          Monica seles >>>>>>>> steffi

                          If there was.no stabbing, monica would have become the greatest
                          Or maybe not.
                          Congrats to Roger, a great start of the season so far.
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                          • #43
                            You can write an essay as long as you want but right after 93AusOpen, very few thought Steffi could win more than one of two GS, and that included her fans, which is why one of them stabbed Seles, in Hamburg. She was only 19, and reached the final of all the GS she played from 91 Ausopen to 93Ausopen and lost only once. That was domination, plus the facts that: 1.-she was so young and improving and 2.-Graf easily dominated again after one of her fans injured Seles says that very likely MS would have dominated the following years until 96 or 97. I won´t go as far as saying Monica would be the GOAT cause she could have retired young like Borg. It doesn´t matter anyway, Graf is out of consideration for GOAT as Serena broke her GS open record (absolute record still belongs to Margaret Court).

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Juancito75
                              You can write an essay as long as you want but right after 93AusOpen, very few thought Steffi could win more than one of two GS, and that included her fans, which is why one of them stabbed Seles, in Hamburg. She was only 19, and reached the final of all the GS she played from 91 Ausopen to 93Ausopen and lost only once. That was domination, plus the facts that: 1.-she was so young and improving and 2.-Graf easily dominated again after one of her fans injured Seles says that very likely MS would have dominated the following years until 96 or 97. I won´t go as far as saying Monica would be the GOAT cause she could have retired young like Borg. It doesn´t matter anyway, Graf is out of consideration for GOAT as Serena broke her GS open record (absolute record still belongs to Margaret Court).
                              there is no reasonable way of saying who the best or greatest player of all times is. Thinking about it, there are just too many parameters and statustics to consider.

                              I mean is it no achievement to reach 13 consecutive Grand Slam singles finals like Graf did from 1987-1990? That means a player has reached all 4 major finals in at least 3 consecutive years. Imagine something like this happening today? Tennis experts would go crazy.

                              Is it no achievement to win 167 singles tournaments? I mean Many of the absolute greats haven't reached that when you combined their careers.. one would almost need the entire career of Graf and Serena combined to reach that. If something like this happened today, the tennis world would go crazy.

                              Is it no achievement to play for over 20 years and win a GS singles title at age 35 and 4 months of age?

                              Is it no achievement to win all 4 majors at least 4 times?

                              Is it no achievement to win the French Open 7 times? Or Wimbledon 9 times? etc?

                              Is it no achievement to be stabbed and then return, winning a Masters and reach a GS final in 1 month?

                              Is it no achievement to be called a Wunderkind, beating the world #2 at Olympia, then become a druggie only to return a decade later and become #1 in the world and win 3 majors?

                              Is it no achievement to become a professional at 12? Or to be ranked in the top 20 at age 14? Or to win Wimbledon at age 16?

                              All this XY is the best because of XY achievement and therefore all the others don't matter at all talk is so dumb.
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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by stevyy
                                well done Roger. So deserved. I want him to win the calender year Grand Slam this season. It would be magical.
                                The same thought crossed my mind!
                                Fantastic to see him win another Grand Slam!
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                                • #46
                                  Kind of agree, but that´s why probably most experts agree on GS titles. Even Sampras was called it GOAT even as he only won only one singles clay event (never RG). So for most experts will be Federer and Serena. I´d say Connors and Navratilova, both of whom not only won the most championship matches in ATP and WTA but also played in highly competitive eras (Connors had Borg, Mc Enroe and Lendl, Old Navy had Evert, Austin).

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                                  • #47
                                    Queen Serena and King Roger <3 What a dream <3

                                    Love him, but Roger will NOT win all 4 majors this year. He played amazingly well throughout the AO and it's super well deserved, but Murray and Djokovic were knocked out in Week 1. We'll see how things pan out.

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                                    • #48
                                      The GOAT debate is pointless and subjective (but I think most would agree it's Serena).

                                      It's sad to see people try to discredit Graf the way they are. She was an absolutely phenomenal athlete.

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                                      • #49
                                        Originally posted by MusicLover88
                                        The GOAT debate is pointless and subjective (but I think most would agree it's Serena).

                                        It's sad to see people try to discredit Graf the way they are. She was an absolutely phenomenal athlete.

                                        I agree with this although I am shocked to see how a tennis 2017 thread has most of Steffi's achievements in.

                                        This is a time to celebrate the vintage era but not THAT far back.

                                        An absolutely phenomenal set of finals. I was in tears after both.
                                        My favourite 4 brought some sunshine to the game for so long.
                                        This Australian (closely followed by the 2016 Wimbledon WTA) has been my favourite tournament forever.
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                                        • #50
                                          my favourite tennis tournament of all times is the French Open.

                                          among Grand Slams i'd rank them like this:

                                          01 - French Open
                                          02 - Us Open
                                          03 - Wimbledon
                                          04 - Australian Open

                                          I feel like Hingis devalued the AO... it seems like everyone can win that one whereas only the legends can win the French Open. Wimbledon is hit n miss cause there are so few grass court tournaments, while the US Open are the ones with most prize money and best crowd.
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                                          • #51
                                            The French open is by far the worst IMO.
                                            A lot of players would agree.
                                            Awful facilities which make it so dangerous if it rains.
                                            2016 was a terrible tournament by everyone's standards.
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                                            • #52
                                              Originally posted by aaliyahman
                                              Originally posted by MusicLover88
                                              The GOAT debate is pointless and subjective (but I think most would agree it's Serena).

                                              It's sad to see people try to discredit Graf the way they are. She was an absolutely phenomenal athlete.

                                              I agree with this although I am shocked to see how a tennis 2017 thread has most of Steffi's achievements in.

                                              This is a time to celebrate the vintage era but not THAT far back.

                                              An absolutely phenomenal set of finals. I was in tears after both.
                                              My favourite 4 brought some sunshine to the game for so long.
                                              This Australian (closely followed by the 2016 Wimbledon WTA) has been my favourite tournament forever.
                                              Well, the GOAT discussion came up so Graf is bound to be included.....

                                              I agree though, it was a terrific final 4, some of the greatest athletes we'll see in our lifetimes.

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                                              • #53
                                                Originally posted by stevyy
                                                well done Roger. So deserved. I want him to win the calender year Grand Slam this season. It would be magical.

                                                Also congrats to Serena who only needed to play 5 more seasons than Graf in order to surpass her.
                                                Look deep down you know that Serena is a touch better. Steffi herself knows it.


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                                                • #54
                                                  Originally posted by aaliyahman
                                                  The French open is by far the worst IMO.
                                                  A lot of players would agree.
                                                  Awful facilities which make it so dangerous if it rains.
                                                  2016 was a terrible tournament by everyone's standards.
                                                  The French Open is a mental and physical challenge. I hope Rafa is going to be in form to be a contender for the title.
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                                                  • #55
                                                    Would you agree that Serena should be declared as the greatest tennis player?

                                                    cos i dont. Im not trying to be sexist here but the reason why a lot of sports are being separated by gender is because men are better on physical activities.

                                                    There are other fields that women are better.

                                                    Federer has really shown great skills, backing up him winning the most titles among men. And eventhough nadal had more winds against Federer, usually the last game matters most and Federer won on their latest game.

                                                    So Federer is the greatest tennis player.
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                                                    • #56
                                                      I think your reasoning is stupid to be honest.

                                                      Men and women do have naturally different bodies and therefore limits. By your reasoning a man would ALWAYS be best at something that is based on physicality. That isn't true.

                                                      The men have had to compete with other men. When a man gets as many accolades as Serena has, then they can be compared.

                                                      Amongst women I think Serena is the greatest of all time.

                                                      Amongst all that remains to be seen. If anyone can match her singles and doubles wins in slams and legacy then they can have a chance. Serena hasn't always been dominant but she has always been the most 'dangerous' for most of her career.
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                                                      • #57
                                                        Just a quick bump to say I am SO INCREDIBLY HAPPY with the outcome from the 2017 AO!!

                                                        The two finals were legendary, we are so privileged to have witnessed those 4 players at their primes. To have both my faves Serena get to 23 and Federer get to 18 at the same slam, and the AO of all places was amazing.

                                                        I must say that after the fourth set, I didn't think Federer had it in him to clinch the win... I'd seen him get to that stage and then fade too many over the past few years but the grit and determination was spectacular to watch. I was leaping around my room when he broke back in the fifth and then broke again to take the lead. The level of tennis was great throughout IMO and it felt like it could go either way to the very end which made it so exciting.

                                                        Also, I actually finally went and saw the AO in person for the first time this year which made it even better!! We went during the middle weekend and saw some spectacular matches.... Nadal vs Zverev (he's one to watch!!), Makarova vs Cibulkova, Tsonga vs Jack Sock, Wawrinka vs Seppi, Dimitrov vs Gasquet, Gavrilova vs Bacsinszky..... We also saw both Serena and Venus play but unfortunately their matches were disappointing because they were up against easy opponents. Sadly, we didn't get to see Federer play but we caught him on the practice courts which was still pretty crazy! The crowds were insane, we got their an hour early and we were still approximately 3 or 4 people from the front!
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                                                        • #58
                                                          Originally posted by aaliyahman
                                                          I think your reasoning is stupid to be honest.

                                                          Men and women do have naturally different bodies and therefore limits. By your reasoning a man would ALWAYS be best at something that is based on physicality. That isn't true.

                                                          The men have had to compete with other men. When a man gets as many accolades as Serena has, then they can be compared.

                                                          Amongst women I think Serena is the greatest of all time.

                                                          Amongst all that remains to be seen. If anyone can match her singles and doubles wins in slams and legacy then they can have a chance. Serena hasn't always been dominant but she has always been the most 'dangerous' for most of her career.
                                                          but the greatest has to be at least arguably the best. Do you think Serena can have as many titles as she have right now if she doesnt play against female players only but play against male tennis players too?
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                                                          • #59
                                                            Originally posted by RLAAMJR
                                                            Originally posted by aaliyahman
                                                            I think your reasoning is stupid to be honest.

                                                            Men and women do have naturally different bodies and therefore limits. By your reasoning a man would ALWAYS be best at something that is based on physicality. That isn't true.

                                                            The men have had to compete with other men. When a man gets as many accolades as Serena has, then they can be compared.

                                                            Amongst women I think Serena is the greatest of all time.

                                                            Amongst all that remains to be seen. If anyone can match her singles and doubles wins in slams and legacy then they can have a chance. Serena hasn't always been dominant but she has always been the most 'dangerous' for most of her career.
                                                            but the greatest has to be at least arguably the best. Do you think Serena can have as many titles as she have right now if she doesnt play against female players only but play against male tennis players too?
                                                            serena would have never won a tournament had she to play a male. (no female wud tho)
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                                                            • #60
                                                              I'm so excited for Wozniacki's great return to form! Reaching a final last week and very well another final this week is amazing! I think that her current level will give her a great chance in a potential final against Kerber or Svitolina. Though I'm afraid that she will be a bit tired in a potential final, as it would be her 11th match in about the same number of days...

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