Pop Talk - General Music Discussion

[InFamous]

What percentage of the streams of Madam X comes from the Maluma feature. ?

Also Miley has been similar to Katy this year, seems to me she has been performing everywhere with limited success. Miley has not managed a NRO type hit in the US since her comeback and as good as a song Midnight Sky and I love it, it had a fairly lukewarm reception stateside, although it has done really well in the UK.
But I mean her album will do Smile numbers lets be real.

Also Kylies album isn't at all good. It has like three listenable tracks. I listened to it a few times and hardly anything stuck. I do like Magic though.

[InFamous]

I'm not familiar with your assertions

And your assertion that Ava is an unknown in Germany is a blatant lie lol

[InFamous]

I never said that, spiritboy did ;) .

Obviously. We all know you're not a Madonna fan

[stevyy]

And your assertion that Ava is an unknown in Germany is a blatant lie lol

it's not. For people over 35 like myself... she is unknown.

[InFamous]

it's not. For people over 35 like myself... she is unknown.

LOL OK but she is known to the younger demographic

[Enzolorenzo]

LOL OK but she is known to the younger demographic

Which is all that matters in the end lbr. Although personally I feel like she’s not really known to the younger demographic either here in Italy tbh. She has had some hits and everyone I knew was obsessed with Sweet But Psycho but nobody actually knew her lol. It might be a bit different in Germany or in other countries though.

[MrLeonix]

Btw the Maluma track is only responsible for 32% of Madame X’ streams

MX still has over 100m streams without the Maluma track.

[menime123]

Madonna should take notes because Kylie slayed in one country?

Madonna is a global act and “Madame X“ was #1 in USA!! And that album sold and had more streams worldwide in one week alone than anything Kylie will ever get with that Disco album

.. Maybe is Kylie the one who should take notes from Madonna about how to get units outside the UK.

Kylie’s album has already gone Top 10 in the UK and in various countries in and outside of Europe.

Kylie has promoted the album in Australia, the UK and the US, performed on various chat shows, and released a streamed concert globally. She’s done loads of TV interviews, print interviews and magazine covers, including a new campaign fronting Marc Jacobs.

Madonna used to do all of this (including live stream concerts) but hasn’t really bothered for the last three albums, to the point that Kylie has probably done more promo for this album than Madonna did across the last 10 years.

Kylie has also spent quite a bit of time building up her US fanbase over the last few years too, and went over to do a few concerts. She hasn’t cracked the states and has no intention of trying now, but she has had top 10 singles and albums there before.

It’ll be interesting to see how Disco does over there actually as album sales keep dropping and her LGBTQ+ followers over there are a dedicated bunch.

[MrLeonix]

Kylie has promoted the album in Australia, the UK and the US, performed on various chat shows, and released a streamed concert globally. She’s done loads of TV interviews, print interviews and magazine covers, including a new campaign fronting Marc Jacobs.

Holly cow ... all of that for 50K sps units?

... Anyways don’t get me wrong, I love that Kylie is doing all that but Madonna has nothing to do with it and IMO Madonna shouldn’t be following Kylie’s steps or taking notes from her (maybe she should take notes from Beyoncé’s PR team but not Kylie LOL) ... Madonna does what she wants with more success and bigger global numbers than Kylie even these days ... and she was like 48 when she pulled the COADF era ... so Kylie better has a seat.

[menime123]

Holly cow ... all of that for 50K sps units?

... Anyways don’t get me wrong, I love that Kylie is doing all that but Madonna has nothing to do with it and IMO Madonna shouldn’t be following Kylie’s steps or taking notes from her (maybe she should take notes from Beyoncé’s PR team but not Kylie LOL) ... Madonna does what she wants with more success and bigger global numbers than Kylie even these days ... and she was like 48 when she pulled the COADF era ... so Kylie better has a seat.

You miss the biggest point though, which is that Kylie is actually having an era, constantly delivering content for her fans on almost a daily basis. It doesn’t matter where you are in the world, we all get access to it now and there is a lot of access.

As a fan, it’s wonderful. Yet with Madonna we all know her album promo campaigns are half arsed and she thinks doing an awards show performance is enough. Madonna acts bored in the limited interviews she does, wears her grills and eye patch and wishes she was anywhere else.

[MrLeonix]

You miss the biggest point though, which is that Kylie is actually having an era, constantly delivering content for her fans on almost a daily basis. It doesn’t matter where you are in the world, we all get access to it now and there is a lot of access.

As a fan, it’s wonderful. Yet with Madonna we all know her album promo campaigns are half arsed and she thinks doing an awards show performance is enough. Madonna acts bored in the limited interviews she does, wears her grills and eye patch and wishes she was anywhere else.

Honestly that content is pretty much invisible for a large portion of the public. Let’s be real “Golden” only has 74 million streams on Spotify ... she’s a niche small artist these days. (Once again, nothing wrong with it ... but we shouldn’t act like she’s changing the world or anything LOL).

Also Madonna is 62 ... Madonna already did everything Kylie did and better .... So why focussing on Madonna? .. Kylie’s fans can celebrate and enjoy her era without trashing Madonna (she basically has nothing to do with it).

I personally would never change Madonna for Kylie even despite all the reasons you listed.

Madonna any single day

[Aaronsmithjune1]

Fave dropping another Adidas collection not even a month after the last. The success. We love to see it

[Aaronsmithjune1]

In her bag.com

[Aaronsmithjune1]

A moment

[spiritboy]

Queen Dua scored another top 10 single in UK & Australia. 4th top 10 from the same album, not all pop girls can relate 2020

[KEY9481]

You miss the biggest point though, which is that Kylie is actually having an era, constantly delivering content for her fans on almost a daily basis. It doesn’t matter where you are in the world, we all get access to it now and there is a lot of access.

As a fan, it’s wonderful. Yet with Madonna we all know her album promo campaigns are half arsed and she thinks doing an awards show performance is enough. Madonna acts bored in the limited interviews she does, wears her grills and eye patch and wishes she was anywhere else.

Thank you.

[theMathematician]

MrLeonix : You focus a lot on streaming totals. We are talking about numbers in the tens or even hundreds of millions area - like does it really make a major difference in someone's life if it has got a 70 mio. or 700 mio. total? No one's claiming that Kylie Minogue is the act of the moment, but she's doing quite well in her main markets and that's fine . I also like that she's promoting a solid era.

I was not a fan of the 'Madame X' era as a whole, but she did quite a bunch of initial promo. It only started to fizzle once the album got released, probably because she didn't see effort and results being in a notable relation.

[menime123]

MrLeonix

I was not a fan of the 'Madame X' era as a whole, but she did quite a bunch of initial promo. It only started to fizzle once the album got released, probably because she didn't see effort and results being in a notable relation.

We all know I’m the biggest Madonna Stan but the ‘initial promo’ was basically interviews she didn’t want to do.

[InFamous]

32 percent of the entire album streams coming from one track

This is a prime example of how streams can skew an album and are in no way representative of the popularity of a body of work.

[InFamous]

MrLeonix : You focus a lot on streaming totals. We are talking about numbers in the tens or even hundreds of millions area - like does it really make a major difference in someone's life if it has got a 70 mio. or 700 mio. total? No one's claiming that Kylie Minogue is the act of the moment, but she's doing quite well in her main markets and that's fine . I also like that she's promoting a solid era.

I was not a fan of the 'Madame X' era as a whole, but she did quite a bunch of initial promo. It only started to fizzle once the album got released, probably because she didn't see effort and results being in a notable relation.

Actually spotify. As if there arent like many other streaming platforms.
For example he fixates on spotify because Britney has one or two songs with high streams yet Katy will obliterate her on youtube which is basically just another streaming platform.

However, streaming as a whole is a reflection of the popularity of the music and is the current metric in which music is most consumed. No one is claiming it makes a difference to their life but artists obviously have hopes that something does well and they receive revenue from streaming. Music is a business, artists aren't releasing music and working just for fun.

[theMathematician]

There's a German singer called Vanessa Mai. She became member of a band that existed since 1999 in 2014, essentially leading to the band's mainstream breakthrough. In 2015, the other members left the band, turning it into a solo project. In 2016, she stopped the band and continued with her solo career. I don't know what you think about it, but I consider it a pretty mean move on her side .

[InFamous]

Kylie’s album has already gone Top 10 in the UK and in various countries in and outside of Europe.

Kylie has promoted the album in Australia, the UK and the US, performed on various chat shows, and released a streamed concert globally. She’s done loads of TV interviews, print interviews and magazine covers, including a new campaign fronting Marc Jacobs.

Madonna used to do all of this (including live stream concerts) but hasn’t really bothered for the last three albums, to the point that Kylie has probably done more promo for this album than Madonna did across the last 10 years.

Kylie has also spent quite a bit of time building up her US fanbase over the last few years too, and went over to do a few concerts. She hasn’t cracked the states and has no intention of trying now, but she has had top 10 singles and albums there before.

It’ll be interesting to see how Disco does over there actually as album sales keep dropping and her LGBTQ+ followers over there are a dedicated bunch.

predicted to debut at 22 or so in the UK with around 21k copies sold, double Goldens first week.

Kylie did amazing in the UK, it is really good IMO when an artist gives the fans something to follow. The way many artists just drop an album and bounce these days is just boring.

[MrLeonix]

32 percent of the entire album streams coming from one track

This is a prime example of how streams can skew an album and are in no way representative of the popularity of a body of work.

Exactly and like 70% of Smile’s streams come from NRO (a song that was released as a standalone single more than a year before the album)

Not that the % really matters though (at least it’s not important to me) .. but criticizing Madonna for a 32% is ridiculous.

[MrLeonix]

MrLeonix : You focus a lot on streaming totals.

Not really .. I mean it’s not like Kylie is doing good in Youtube either.

You name the format, Youtube, Spotify, Radio, Pure Sales, Grossing, and “Madame X” did better than Kylie’s latest releases

[theMathematician]

Not really .. I mean it’s not like Kylie is doing good in Youtube either.

You name the format, Youtube, Spotify, Radio, Pure Sales, Grossing, and “Madame X” did better than Kylie’s latest releases

Isn't it more useful to compare Madame X with Rebel Heart and Disco with Golden?