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Last edited by InFamous; Sat November 28, 2020, 18:01.
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Originally posted by InFamous View PostWell I mean we can analyse it till the cows come home but doesn't change the fact that she had six solo number one hits and eight with features/ duets/hooks. And if you were to look at solo stats only, which people do a lot here when critiquing other artists, and indeed using that to discredit them ( which I have not done with Rihanna btw), it does bring her numbers down quite a lot.
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Katy Perry Teenage Dream singles in Europe :
Austria / France / Germany / Italy / Switzerland / Uk
California Gurls 3 5 3 3 4 1
Teenage Dream 2 75 6 9 8 2
Firework 3 7 4 4 3 3
E.T. 7 10 9 9 14 3
Last Friday Night 7 22 15 9 20 9
The One that got Away 19 30 34 39 33 18
So from one album in six European Regions that I have data from Katy Perry amassed 24 Top 10 Hits.
To claim that the era was a local one with no European success is a complete fabrication and trolling.
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Originally posted by JSparksFan View Post
While it would be accurate to say RiRi only had six solo US chart-toppers, I guess my question is two-fold: (1) why the "solo" and not "lead" qualifier and (2) what is the conclusion to be inferred from such a framing? And I know the natural conclusion would be that if fewer than half of her #1 hits are "solo", then she clearly "needs" features/duets and I think that's where analysis of the facts and circumstances of the other #1 hits comes into play to challenge the credence of that thesis. I think RiRi's chart history would disprove that "natural conclusion", but everyone is entitled to objectively review the data and leave with their own opinion on the matter.
There is a big difference between “Umbrella” and another song where she is the featured act (example: “The Monster”). Very different cases and certainly not the same.
Rihanna has at least 11 #1 solo / lead act singles:
1. S.O.S
2. Umbrella
3. Take A Bow
4. Disturbia
5. Rude Boy
6. Only Girl
7. What’s My Name
8. S&M
9. We Found Love
10. Diamonds
11. Work
But people like to troll.Rock lives forever: Led Zeppelin . Metallica . Pink Floyd . Nirvana . Radiohead . Pearl Jam . Oasis . Iron Maiden . Nine Inch Nails
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Originally posted by InFamous View PostKaty Perry Teenage Dream singles in Europe :
Austria / France / Germany / Italy / Switzerland / Uk
California Gurls 3 5 3 3 4 1
Teenage Dream 2 75 6 9 8 2
Firework 3 7 4 4 3 3
E.T. 7 10 9 9 14 3
Last Friday Night 7 22 15 9 20 9
The One that got Away 19 30 34 39 33 18
So from one album in six European Regions that I have data from Katy Perry amassed 24 Top 10 Hits.
To claim that the era was a local one with no European success is a complete fabrication and trolling.
Literally Janet’s “Control” and “Rhythm Nation” teas!.Rock lives forever: Led Zeppelin . Metallica . Pink Floyd . Nirvana . Radiohead . Pearl Jam . Oasis . Iron Maiden . Nine Inch Nails
Approved Popstars: Michael Jackson . Madonna . Britney Spears . Beyoncé . Rihanna
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Originally posted by JSparksFan View Post
While it would be accurate to say RiRi only had six solo US chart-toppers, I guess my question is two-fold: (1) why the "solo" and not "lead" qualifier and (2) what is the conclusion to be inferred from such a framing? And I know the natural conclusion would be that if fewer than half of her #1 hits are "solo", then she clearly "needs" features/duets and I think that's where analysis of the facts and circumstances of the other #1 hits comes into play to challenge the credence of that thesis. I think RiRi's chart history would disprove that "natural conclusion", but everyone is entitled to objectively review the data and leave with their own opinion on the matter.
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Originally posted by MrLeonix View Post
She barely had any #1 hit there compared to the bunch of #1s she had in US single after single.
Literally Janet’s “Control” and “Rhythm Nation” teas!.
Born to Make you Happy - 1 in the UK. What teas does that give you ?
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Originally posted by InFamous View Post
After Baby one more time ( the single ) Britney had a grand total of one number ones in the US or in any of those six European Territories from the rest of her released singles.
Born to Make you Happy - 1 in the UK. What teas does that give you ?
... But Britney’s singles (up until 2008) always did better internationally than in the US. “Sometimes” for example only peaked at #21 in US yet it peaked at #3 in UK and was Top 10 nearly everywhere in Europe and the globe (same case with many of her singles).
Katy’s singles always did better in US.
Rock lives forever: Led Zeppelin . Metallica . Pink Floyd . Nirvana . Radiohead . Pearl Jam . Oasis . Iron Maiden . Nine Inch Nails
Approved Popstars: Michael Jackson . Madonna . Britney Spears . Beyoncé . Rihanna
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Rock lives forever: Led Zeppelin . Metallica . Pink Floyd . Nirvana . Radiohead . Pearl Jam . Oasis . Iron Maiden . Nine Inch Nails
Approved Popstars: Michael Jackson . Madonna . Britney Spears . Beyoncé . Rihanna
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Only someone who has never set foot on Europe would claim that Katy Perry was not massive during her first three eras, with multiple back to back radio smash hits.
Also looking for #1s in countries in which English is not even the first language and where you are competing with local artists is just stupid.
Actually, even her recent single Never Really Over was played a lot.I am the maniac, I am the ghoul
I'm in the shadows in the corners of my room
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Originally posted by DnBLover View PostOnly someone who has never set foot on Europe would claim that Katy Perry was not massive during her first three eras, with multiple back to back radio smash hits.
Also looking for #1s in countries in which English is not even the first language and where you are competing with local artists is just stupid.
Actually, even her recent single Never Really Over was played a lot.Last edited by InFamous; Sat November 28, 2020, 19:08.
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It’s simple ... if you have a bunch of #1s in US and just a few ones in other countries then you did better in US. There’s no other way to spin it. It doesn’t mean the artist performed bad or anything it just means you did better in one specific market in the same way it happened to Janet.
I personally don’t need to set a foot in UK in order to know Kylie Minogue is more popular there than in Canada. It’s pure logic and common sense through actual data and numbers that are public.Rock lives forever: Led Zeppelin . Metallica . Pink Floyd . Nirvana . Radiohead . Pearl Jam . Oasis . Iron Maiden . Nine Inch Nails
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Originally posted by MrLeonix View Post
Bro .. It’s all over for Kitty since 2014 and she was quite local.
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Originally posted by InFamous View Post
Claiming that Katy Perry was a local act is pure trolling, plain and simple. As if all of those songs that peaked in the top 5 in European territories were not huge hits. She had three massive eras all over Europe which her stats and sales clearly show.Rock lives forever: Led Zeppelin . Metallica . Pink Floyd . Nirvana . Radiohead . Pearl Jam . Oasis . Iron Maiden . Nine Inch Nails
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Originally posted by MrLeonix View Post
Exactly ... it’s not just “solo” but the word “leading act” counts too.
But people like to troll.
Or those who claim that Janet's Rhythm Nation era was local?
Or who create a distinction of global and quite global... or local and quite local?
Someone is either global or not... there is no such thing as "quite" this or that.
The other day two people in this thread called Merry Christmas (1994) a fad.... (and we are speaking of an album which has sold something between 13 - 15 million traditional copies, depending on what source you're using).
I mean right back at cha, gurl. U either be consistent or you are trolling.
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Originally posted by stevyy View Post
I enjoy the album. <3 Miley won me over for good now.Originally posted by beredyWhen people see your post this is what they see:
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Originally posted by stevyy View Post
you mean like those who call Mariah local? Or discredited her for having 4 non-solo #1's (out of 19)?
Or those who claim that Janet's Rhythm Nation era was local?
Or who create a distinction of global and quite global... or local and quite local?
Someone is either global or not... there is no such thing as "quite" this or that.
The other day two people in this thread called Merry Christmas (1994) a fad.... (and we are speaking of an album which has sold something between 13 - 15 million traditional copies, depending on what source you're using).
I mean right back at cha, gurl. U either be consistent or you are trolling.
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Originally posted by stevyy View Post
you mean like those who call Mariah local?
Well .. outside 1993-1995 years (and the Xmas song) yep she was local.
Or who create a distinction of global and quite global... or local and quite local?
Someone is either global or not... there is no such thing as "quite" this or that.
The other day two people in this thread called Merry Christmas (1994) a fad.... (and we are speaking of an album which has sold something between 13 - 15 million traditional copies, depending on what source you're using).
I mean right back at cha, gurl. U either be consistent or you are trolling.Rock lives forever: Led Zeppelin . Metallica . Pink Floyd . Nirvana . Radiohead . Pearl Jam . Oasis . Iron Maiden . Nine Inch Nails
Approved Popstars: Michael Jackson . Madonna . Britney Spears . Beyoncé . Rihanna
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Originally posted by Enzolorenzo View Post
Who said that Mariah was local? Lol
but she’s also done plenty of local stuff. Like “The Emancipation Of Mimi” = 8million sales worldwide (6x Platinum in US)Rock lives forever: Led Zeppelin . Metallica . Pink Floyd . Nirvana . Radiohead . Pearl Jam . Oasis . Iron Maiden . Nine Inch Nails
Approved Popstars: Michael Jackson . Madonna . Britney Spears . Beyoncé . Rihanna
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