Pop Talk - General Music Discussion

[MrLeonix]

WBT is bigger than any madonna song from any era in daily / weekly spotify performance.

Madonna’s tours - $1,4 Billion grossing

Mariah ... $100million , $200million?

[stevyy]

But that’s only because Madonna does terrible on streaming in general.

Shakira even has songs that didn’t even chart well in US with more streams than “We Belong Together”

Britney’s “Toxic” did wayyyyyyy worse than WBT in USA yet it has like 2x more streams

Give Madonna some credit... afterall she is outstreaming MOST acts that came before and after her. She is - in fact - the most streamed female act over 60 on a daily basis in all formats. And also belongs - as you've mentioned - to the 50 biggest females on Spotify. <3

[MrLeonix]

Give Madonna some credit... afterall she is outstreaming MOST acts that came before and after her. She is - in fact - the most streamed female act over 60 on a daily basis in all formats. And also belongs - as you've mentioned - to the 50 biggest females on Spotify. <3

You were the one throwing her under the bus though ... just because you got mad that she is more global than Mariah

[RayRay]

We Belong Together having more streams than Hung Up isn’t shocking, though. It was the bigger hit between the two and it ended up more remembered. Hung Up streams are great as well nonetheless. Especially considering that it wasn’t even a proper hit in the US.

Hung Up went Top 10. Do only #1 count as "proper" hits?

[stevyy]

Madonna’s tours - $1,4 Billion grossing

Mariah ... $100million , $200million?

nah... mariah ain't touring. so her sum is $0. But her Butterfly beverage didn't cause cancer and sold 10 bottles. That's that on that.

[stevyy]

You were the one throwing her under the bus though ... just because you got mad that she is more global than Mariah

but it was you who was claiming usa don't count or sth.

[stevyy]

Hung Up went Top 10. Do only #1 count as "proper" hits?

Obsessed and Hung Up had the same peak in the USA and both were huge hits. <3

[MrLeonix]

but it was you who was claiming usa don't count or sth.

I didn’t it say US doesn’t count LOL .. I said she was local with certain releases (which she was).

Anyway .. you wanted to talk about streaming? Well let’s talk about how “Madame X” outstreamed the hell out of “Caution”

[Goldmoney]

Still isn’t enough.

[Enzolorenzo]

Hung Up went Top 10. Do only #1 count as "proper" hits?

It went #17 on Pop Radio and peaked at #42 on the Hot 100 Airplay and was #91 on the YEC. It still sold decently but it wasn’t a legit hit like 4 Minutes for example which had both great airplay and great sales.

[InFamous]

If there's another format in 10 years and 'Shape of You' or 'Blinding Lights' do nothing there, that won't take anything away from their recent successes. So yeah, it matters what 'We Belong Together' and 'Hung Up' did back in the day, not now.

I disagree. The fact that a song can transcend formats and time only points to it's generational and enduring appeal.

[RayRay]

We Belong Together wasn't local:

Netherlands #2
UK #2
Denmark #3
Ireland #3
Spain #3
Switzerland #4
Hungary #5
Norway #9

European Hot 100 #4

The Emancipation of Mimi was a Top 10 album in my country and stayed in the charts for almost a year.

[MrLeonix]

I disagree. The fact that a song can transcend formats and time only points to it's generational and enduring appeal.

Didn’t you say several pages ago (and multiple times) that streaming didn’t matter and that streaming didn’t define anything?

[MrLeonix]

It went #17 on Pop Radio and peaked at #42 on the Hot 100 Airplay and was #91 on the YEC. It still sold decently but it wasn’t a legit hit like 4 Minutes for example which had both great airplay and great sales.

I think you’re confusing it not being a mega smash with a not being a hit.

It wasn’t a smash but of course it was a proper hit song in US.

[Enzolorenzo]

We Belong Together wasn't local:

Netherlands #2
UK #2
Denmark #3
Ireland #3
Spain #3
Switzerland #4
Hungary #5
Norway #9

European Hot 100 #4

The Emancipation of Mimi was a Top 10 album in my country and stayed in the charts for almost a year.

Of course it was global lol. It was the biggest hit of the decade in the US, the biggest and most important market in the world. It was also a smash hit in Oceania and a big hit in Europe.

[stevyy]

I didn’t it say US doesn’t count LOL .. I said she was local with certain releases (which she was).

Anyway .. you wanted to talk about streaming? Well let’s talk about how “Madame X” outstreamed the hell out of “Caution”

I have no idea why that is... i'm oblivious.

[InFamous]

We Belong Together having more streams than Hung Up isn’t shocking, though. It was the bigger hit between the two and it ended up more remembered. Hung Up streams are great as well nonetheless. Especially considering that it wasn’t even a proper hit in the US.

But surely one would reasonably expect a huge global hit like Hung Up to outstream what people call a local hit like We Belong Together ?
It just goes to show how important the US market is if a local hit can easily outstream a global one. I guess it also can depend if the artist made the transition well into the streaming era or if the hit is of sufficient quality and appeal to transcend time and/or generations and garner new audiences. We belong Together clearly did that, Hung Up, not so much.

[InFamous]

I have no idea why that is... i'm oblivious.

The Maluma and Anitta tracks account for 65 percent of the albums total streams and were playlisted on huge latin playlists for months. That's pretty much why.

[Goldmoney]

jfhijklhhjjkl the quality of this gif. Meanwhile the video on her account still has the definition of a 50 dollar TV.

[stevyy]

But surely one would reasonably expect a huge global hit like Hung Up to outstream what people call a local hit like We Belong Together ?
It just goes to show how important the US market is if a local hit can easily outstream a global one. I guess it also can depend if the artist made the transition well into the streaming era or if the hit is of sufficient quality and appeal to transcend time and/or generations and garner new audiences. We belong Together clearly did that, Hung Up, not so much.

The USA remains the biggest music market in the world and has a global market share (or at least as far as I know this was true until the 2000s decade) of over 33% and therefore being just as big as the entirety of Europe.

[MrLeonix]

The Maluma and Anitta tracks account for 65 percent of the albums total streams and were playlisted on huge latin playlists for months. That's pretty much why.

Yeah artists that are from Latin America and that aren’t famous in USA (my point proven again).

So what happened with the US power? I thought USA alone was enough to push anything further on streaming .. then why “Caution” doesn’t have more streams than MX ?

[stevyy]

The biggest music industries - by far - and therefore the most important ones to crack remain:

01 - USA
02 - Japan
03 - UK

(and 04 Germany for rock acts)

[stevyy]

Yeah artists that are from Latin America and that aren’t famous in USA (my point proven again).

So what happened with the US power? I thought USA alone was enough to push anything further on streaming .. then why “Caution” doesn’t have more streams than MX ?

oblivious you is be.

[InFamous]

Mariah is so meem-able. I just love her gifs



Plus this " stripped" version of WBT is amazing

[Enzolorenzo]

The biggest music industries - by far - and therefore the most important ones to crack remain:

01 - USA
02 - Japan
03 - UK

(and 04 Germany for rock acts)

I always felt that cracking markets like Japan and Germany was much more impressive than cracking a market like the UK to be honest.