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  • Originally posted by InFamous View Post

    No it didn't. The 15 million includes both the Fame and The fame monster.

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    • Speaking of Artpop I really liked both the singles from it. I remember there was some confusion about if Venus was getting released or not and they rushed out Do what you want instead? Don't recall exactly.

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      • “Artpop” had 3 singles (not 2).

        and all of them were terrible to me ... “Artpop” was her worst era by far.
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        • As if anyone cares abou G.U.Y or whatever, which was actually only an official single in the US and Italy so no for the UK it had 2 official singles

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          • Originally posted by InFamous View Post

            No it didn't. The 15 million includes both the Fame and The fame monster.

            .. those Gaga chartmasters figures are old. They’re not from the last update and he does count TFM separately.

            last update on chartmasters:

            - The Fame - 15,730,000
            - Born This Way - 6,720,000
            - Artpop - 2,120,000
            - Cheek To Cheek - 1,370,000
            - Joanne - 1,300,000
            - A Star Is Born - 2,930,000

            - The Fame Monster EP - 2,130,000
            - The Remix - 1,450,000

            Source: https://chartmasters.org/2019/08/csp...d-songs-sales/

            Last edited by MrLeonix; Tue December 1, 2020, 16:36.
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            • Artpop was released in 2013 so the only relevant figures for The fame and The fame monster are prior to that seeing as her sales trajectory was being discussed prior and leading to the release of Artpop ( 2013)

              The sales figures for her albums and what they may have sold since then is irrelevant to the commentary/ discussion that was taking place.

              So using a 2019 update in this context is illogical and simply does not make any sense.

              Even though it still has global sales of The Fame/ The fame monster combined at 15 million, those 15 million are not in fact, credited to The Fame only as you erroneously claim above. Again the 15 million included The Fame Monster/the fame set. The standalone EP is counted apart.

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              Last edited by InFamous; Tue December 1, 2020, 16:46.

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              • Originally posted by InFamous View Post
                So using a 2019 update in this context is illogical and simply does not make any sense.
                But you said Chartmasters were combining all the TF / TFM sales which isn’t true.

                Chartmasters has two separate sales for each:

                - The Fame - 15,7 million
                - The Fame Monster - 2,1 million



                And yes there’s a major difference between those old figures and the last update because the last one includes “A Star Is Born”.
                Last edited by MrLeonix; Tue December 1, 2020, 16:45.
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                • Originally posted by MrLeonix View Post

                  But you said Chartmasters were combining all the TF / TFM sales which isn’t true.

                  Chartmasters has two separate sales for each:

                  - The Fame - 15,7 million
                  - The Fame Monster - 2,1 million



                  And yes there’s a major difference between those old figures and the last update because the last one includes “A Star Is Born”.
                  Incorrect. What is being counted seperately is the stand alone EP as it obviously should. Any box sets are credited to The Fame as a deluxe. He even included a note on this, which I guess you missed.

                  "NB: if you happen to be an avid follower of our website and noticed that sales of The Fame went down since our last update (at 15.8 million back then), do not worry. A few sales have been moved under The Fame Monster EP since Discogs reveals some more markets where it got issued. All formats considered the album rises a solid 190K sales. More on compilations section."

                  So to summarize - The 15,730, 000 figure included sales of the original The Fame album plus sales of The Box set, which is credited to The Fame as a deluxe release. ( see image below from Chartmasters )
                  The 2.1 million is for the standalone EP only.

                  In fact the figures decreased for The Fame as he states because more of the sales were credited to the Standalone EP.

                  What has ASIB got to do with anything lol ?
                  The discussion was pertaining to her sales before Artpop and then Artpop itsself, back in 2013.


                  Last edited by InFamous; Tue December 1, 2020, 17:01.

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                  • Originally posted by MrLeonix View Post
                    “The Fame” (2008) did sell like 15 million though .. because a disc from the original “The Fame” was added in the “The Fame / The Fame Monster” boxset that sold like additional 6million copies (to the already 8m-9m copies “The Fame” had sold).

                    - The Fame - 15 million
                    - The Fame Monster - 6 million
                    - Born This Way - 6 million
                    - Artpop - 2 million
                    Like where are these 6 million sales of which you speak, seeing as Chartmasters has it as 2.1 million.
                    Clearly the 15 million figure combines The Fame plus The Fame/ Fame Monster Deluxe while the Standalone EP is counted as a seperate entity.

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                    • Originally posted by InFamous View Post

                      Incorrect. What is being counted seperately is the stand alone EP as it obviously should. Any box sets are credited to The Fame as a deluxe.
                      Yeah but you made those 15,7m or 15,8m pass as the only figures there were from TF / TFM era on your original chartmasters post without any mention of the separate standalone figures of TFM.

                      I really wanted to clarify that because there are more units outside the TF / TFM box set that you didn’t show in your post.

                      Originally posted by InFamous View Post
                      What has ASIB got to do with anything lol ?
                      The discussion was pertaining to her sales before Artpop and then Artpop itsself, back in 2013.
                      If it was related to “Artpop” then why didn’t you post the numbers up until artpop then? Why including C2C and Joanne?

                      If you wanted to include a screenshot of her overall discography ... then why not posting the last update to begin with though?.

                      ... Oh right, the previous update looked more tragic because it ended with “Joanne” and didn’t showcase the huge and amazing rebound she had with the “A Star Is Born” era ... I guess I know now why you didn’t want to show the last update.
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                      • Originally posted by InFamous View Post

                        Like where are these 6 million sales of which you speak, seeing as Chartmasters has it as 2.1 million.
                        As you said the 2,1 million are only from the standalone edition. All the “The Fame Monster” disc units that were part of the Box set were added to “The Fame” total.

                        So obviously there are way more people than 2,1 million that have a copy of “The Fame Monster” (around 6m - 7m).
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                        • Not that damn The Fame vs. The Fame Monster discussion again .

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                          • No one was talking about her overall discography.
                            We were talking about her sales figures from her previous eras to Artpop. Her "rebound" was not part of the discussion what so ever, not her overall sales.

                            What you said about The Fame selling 15 million and The Fame Monster selling a further 6 million was simply incorrect. End end.

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                            • nympho ... I know you’re more of a Gaga expert .. do you have any estimation about how many purchases belong to “The Fame Monster” alone?

                              2,1 million come just from the standalone EP .. but more units of “The Fame Monster” were obviously sold through the “The Fame / The Fame Monster” boxset ... so do you have a proper estimation of TFM ?
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                              • Who remembers Good Charlotte ? I loved their song "Predictable" back in the day.

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                                • Their music videos used to air a lot on MTV during my primary school days ;) . I wasn't too much a fan of punk rock back in the day, but 'I Just Wanna Live' was solid.
                                  What I like is that they keep recording music even now that they are not massively popular anymore.

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                                  • Good Charlotte sucked big time

                                    ... But yeah back in the day MTV was great.
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                                    • Originally posted by MrLeonix View Post

                                      As you said the 2,1 million are only from the standalone edition. All the “The Fame Monster” disc units that were part of the Box set were added to “The Fame” total.

                                      So obviously there are way more people than 2,1 million that have a copy of “The Fame Monster” (around 6m - 7m).
                                      Exactly. So as I said from the very beginning the 15 million includes The Fame plus The Fame Monster Box Sets. How many people have a copy of The Fame Monster is a completely different point entirely. Obviously everyone who purchased a box set has a copy but that doesn't change the fact that those box sets were included in the 15 million.

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                                      • Originally posted by InFamous View Post

                                        Exactly. So as I said from the very beginning the 15 million includes The Fame plus The Fame Monster Box Sets. How many people have a copy of The Fame Monster is a completely different point entirely. Obviously everyone who purchased a box set has a copy but that doesn't change the fact that those box sets were included in the 15 million.
                                        Well what you originally said was that the original “The Fame” never sold 15 million like it’s evidenced in your post:

                                        Originally posted by InFamous View Post

                                        She didn't actually sell 15 million though. The Fame and The Fame Monster are two seperate and distinct albums according to her stans these days.
                                        Which is not really true since every box set included one disc of the original “The Fame” .... so it’s completely accurate to say that the original “The Fame” alone sold over 15 million units.
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                                        • Originally posted by MrLeonix View Post

                                          Well what you originally said was that the original “The Fame” never sold 15 million like it’s evidenced in your post:



                                          Which is not really true since every box set included one disc of the original “The Fame” .... so it’s completely accurate to say that the original “The Fame” alone sold over 15 million units.
                                          The Fame didn't sell 15 million alone. It sold 15 million when combined with a box set which you repeatedly argued before was a completely seperate release.

                                          What you originally said was that the 15 million from chartmasters didn't include the box sets of The Fame Monster, which it clearly does and always has done. What is completely inaccurate was your claim that there were 15 million then a further 6 million which would be a total of 21 million. Totally overstated.

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                                          • Originally posted by InFamous View Post
                                            What is completely inaccurate was your claim that there were 15 million then a further 6 million which would be a total of 21 million. Totally overstated.
                                            It doesn’t mean that the total has to be 21 million because both albums shared a boxset though. But yeah the people who bought the boxset purchased two different discs / albums at once.

                                            So there’s the first group of people that bought the original “The Fame” , then there’s the second group of people that bought the boxset (“The Fame” + “The Fame Monster” at once) and there’s the third group of people that bought the standalone “The Fame Monster”.

                                            The boxset includes two albums so it’s a purchase of each album. All of those who bought the boxset and the standalone EP got a copy of “The Fame Monster”. However those same who bought the Boxset also got a copy of the original “The Fame”.


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                                            • I bought 'The Fame' and the boxset back in the day. Of course, I would've preferred to buy the EP instead of the boxset, but it wasn't available in my country back then.
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                                              • Originally posted by theMathematician View Post
                                                I bought 'The Fame' and the boxset back in the day. Of course, I would've preferred to buy the EP instead of the boxset, but I wasn't available in my country back then.
                                                Exactly ... So in this particular case you ended up purchasing two units of “The Fame” and one unit of “The Fame Monster”.
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                                                • Originally posted by MrLeonix View Post

                                                  It doesn’t mean that the total has to be 21 million because both albums shared a boxset though. But yeah the people who bought the boxset purchased two different discs / albums at once.

                                                  So there’s the first group of people that bought the original “The Fame” , then there’s the second group of people that bought the boxset (“The Fame” + “The Fame Monster” at once) and there’s the third group of people that bought the standalone “The Fame Monster”.

                                                  The boxset includes two albums so it’s a purchase of each album. All of those who bought the boxset and the standalone EP got a copy of “The Fame Monster”.


                                                  Nah this is the part you are incorrect about. It doesn't count as a purchase of each album when talking about the sales figure. It's one sale. Period.

                                                  The only place where it counts for each is RIAA for certification purposes as they attribute one disc in a boxset to each parent album. ( This is how Garth Brooks got all his "diamond" albums . But you are assuming this happens everywhere, which is not the case at all. The 15 million is a worldwide figure for combined sales of The Fame and The Fame/ Fame monster deluxe. Chartmasters confirm this clearly in their report. And the standalone EP is counted seperately.

                                                  Break it up however you want but the total of both together is 15.7
                                                  Plus additional sales of the stand alone EP 2.1 million or so. ( last update)

                                                  It would have been a total of 15 million pre Artpop, which is what was being discussed . That was 7 years ago so obviously catelogue sales has boosted it significantly since

                                                  So its accurate to say that The Fame/ Fame Monster eras combined have a total of 17.8 million album sales. A legendary era whichever way you want to break up the numbers. Not to mention her single success and two tours.
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                                                  • Originally posted by MrLeonix View Post

                                                    Exactly ... So in this particular case you ended up purchasing two units of “The Fame” and one unit of “The Fame Monster”.
                                                    No he didn't lol. For chart purposes and sales purposes that would count in Germany as 2 units, not 3. Same everywhere else actually. Only RIAA count a double disc as 2 copies for certification purposes.

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