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  • MrLeonix
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    Originally posted by theMathematician View Post
    she's still marketed as the Anti-Britney.
    Awww the Anti-Britney era , it brings me so many teenage memories. At first in 1999/2000 labels were like let’s create our own Britney ... since Britney couldn’t be replicated labels were like what if we create a punk angry version of Britney to fill a parallel market in the business? P!nk (M!ssundaztood), Avril Lavigne and Evanescence were born ... perhaps Avril was the biggest exponent of the Anti-Britney movement in early 2000s as she was literally the “Punk Britney”. I loved her though.

    It’s weird to see how much influence Britney had in the pop culture back then. The fact that between 2002-2003 , 3 major artists sit down and wrote singles inspired by / about Britney (Justin Timberlake - Cry Me A River / Evanescence - Nobody’s Fool / Limp Bizkit - Eat You Alive) was just scary.

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  • Hejira
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    Originally posted by theMathematician View Post
    @Tlfan: These artists lack class and most importantly brain. They wouldn't have made it to stardom 20 years ago, but social media makes them think that they are icons of their generation, when they basically 'enjoy' their 15 minutes of fame.
    Right on. It might be what some consider a 'bitter perspective' but it's so true. Some people get 1 hit and think they're God while others have had to fight for a long career for years and they wouldn't even dare to claim they're "Just the best". It's a problem in our society anyway, the whole "If you don't love me you are worthless" mentality. Things have gotten so extreme and the reality has become so warped. Yes, we all deserve respect but NO you can't get that being an arrogant, entitled c*nt.

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  • theMathematician
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    @Tlfan: These artists lack class and most importantly brain. They wouldn't have made it to stardom 20 years ago, but social media makes them think that they are icons of their generation, when they basically 'enjoy' their 15 minutes of fame. Don't remember the user's name, but one has a quote about the education of 12-16-year-old teens in his signature and it's true. So many of them want to become the next Doja Cat instead of reaching something meaningful in life. Sometimes, it would be better if law forbade platforms like Instagram, Twitter, etc. for their toxic effects on people who already are mentally unstable.

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  • TIfan
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    I get when artists sells merchandise for money purposes, but the fact that they use it to chart higher on Billboard is horrifying. This new generation of artists are completely tasteless with no integrity. This Doja chick asking to get her song at 31, she will show her breast and selling merchandise. Megan now selling merch.

    Like I said, I understand money purposes, because being an artist is being a brand, but to sell yourself so short. Its sad!!!

    When is Adele coming back?
    Last edited by TIfan; Wed May 6, 2020, 22:59.

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  • Hejira
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    Originally posted by theMathematician View Post
    Good point, Hejira . The Band Perry had recorded two traditional, country albums and had quite a lot of success especially with their debut album in the US. Then they moved on to a modern, electro pop sound and stopped being present on the charts, being reduced to indie status basically now. So yeah, it's a tightrope and the best way is to find a balance between being authentic and being popular.
    It's a tightrope balance act, you have to really know what you're doing as an artist. For some, it works becoming a bit more commercial but most of them fail when they sell out. You will see these names beginning to fade untill they're just...gone.
    Some others do the opposite where they start out as a successful commercial artist and then they want to become 'an artiste" (I'm looking at Ms. Aguilera) and it just doesn't work out at all, but it's not as if people don't know her anymore. She obviously managed to leave a mark.

    I admire those who have long lasting careers, in any way or form...those who manage to stay relevant crossing decades. Pink certainly is one of those so I have a lot of respect for her.

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  • theMathematician
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    Good point, Hejira . The Band Perry had recorded two traditional, country albums and had quite a lot of success especially with their debut album in the US. Then they moved on to a modern, electro pop sound and stopped being present on the charts, being reduced to indie status basically now. So yeah, it's a tightrope and the best way is to find a balance between being authentic and being popular.

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  • Hejira
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    Originally posted by theMathematician View Post
    Good point, actually, Hejira . I'm almost certain that her reputation has been like this only since 'I'm Not Dead'. She had massive success with that era in Australia and was also doing well in Europe, so she must've thought like 'Apparently, I'm doing something right.'. During 'M!ssundaztood', she's still marketed as the Anti-Britney, and during 'Try This', she was at her career's most edgiest point and therefore didn't care much about mass-accessibility.
    Yes her "I'm not dead" era was huge. I loved that era. I also loved her "Try this" era though but she got a lot of flack for that but I will always and forever say that was her most daring and edgy effort. So many great risks she took on that album which did not work for her commercially so she went and made "I'm not dead" which was a GREAT pop/rock album, much more commercial, and that worked. She never moved on from that though and so she became boring as a recording artist after that succes when she clearly wanted to make more "Try this" type of music which no one had the time for.
    It's so difficult being an artist. The path you want to choose, do you want to be commercial and cater to the audiences? Will you settle for that so you'll have a steady financial income in return? Or are you gonna follow your own artistic path and take the risk of becoming irrelevant but having a sense of inner peace? I think Pink might be in between in that regard. She doesn't seem miserable either way.

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  • theMathematician
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    Good point, actually, Hejira . I'm almost certain that her reputation has been like this only since 'I'm Not Dead'. She had massive success with that era in Australia and was also doing well in Europe, so she must've thought like 'Apparently, I'm doing something right.'. During 'M!ssundaztood', she's still marketed as the Anti-Britney, and during 'Try This', she was at her career's most edgiest point and therefore didn't care much about mass-accessibility.

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  • RayRay
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    Originally posted by Hejira View Post

    Yeah and honestly..let's just say that those kind of artists are the opposite of a niche kind of following certain artists have where the people who come to see them are bonafide fans who know all the songs and all the albums.
    I would want to go see someone who's name might not be known to everyone, but when I go see them I'm in a room with fans and we all know every random song that comes along.
    With Pink it's just, people who LOVE a certain song from her, or they seen a great performance...and they're curious. They want to see her! And she delivers I'm sure.
    So her reputation is just always up in that way...she makes sure that whatever she does that will be visible to the masses will be accessible.
    The funny thing is, when colleagues of mine went to see P!nk, they couldn't understand I didn't. "You are such a music fan!" "You love female singers!" "You like her songs, don't you?!" Yes, yes, yes, but I only like some of the hits, so I have no interest in seeing a whole concert. They don't understand.

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  • Hejira
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    Originally posted by RayRay View Post

    This. I know people who went to her concert(s). Usually people who are not into stanning for an artist. But somehow P!nk, Robbie Williams, U2 and to a certain degree Celine Dion, are totally accepted to be cool to listen to and go see in concert.
    Yeah and honestly..let's just say that those kind of artists are the opposite of a niche kind of following certain artists have where the people who come to see them are bonafide fans who know all the songs and all the albums.
    I would want to go see someone who's name might not be known to everyone, but when I go see them I'm in a room with fans and we all know every random song that comes along.
    With Pink it's just, people who LOVE a certain song from her, or they seen a great performance...and they're curious. They want to see her! And she delivers I'm sure.
    So her reputation is just always up in that way...she makes sure that whatever she does that will be visible to the masses will be accessible.
    Last edited by Hejira; Wed May 6, 2020, 22:24.

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  • RayRay
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    Originally posted by Hejira View Post

    She's quite an enigma in the way that...you'll meet people and they'll say "Ugh I love Pink" but they can't name more then 3 songs they love from her.
    She speaks to people in some kind of way, she seems like a very nice and relatable person, she had some very good tv performances, her tours have a great reputation...And somehow her first singles are hits.
    She's kind of like Celine Dion in a way...the way people respond to them and how they operate.
    This. I know people who went to her concert(s). Usually people who are not into stanning for an artist. But somehow P!nk, Robbie Williams, U2 and to a certain degree Celine Dion, are totally accepted to be cool to listen to and go see in concert.

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  • RayRay
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    Originally posted by jio View Post
    Who is Micaela? lol
    Never heard of her before La Isla Bonita nor since. But she covered it before Madonna released it as a single. Back in early 1986 there were even rumors that Madonna didn't want to release her own version as she thought it wouldn't be succesful as Micaela already had a hit with it. Luckily Madonna's version was released and made it a much bigger hit than Micaela did.

    I did buy Micaela's single though.

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  • Hejira
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    Originally posted by Rihab View Post
    It's a mystery to me how P!nk has managed to stay successful for so many years despite zero evolution in her sound.

    It's especially surprising because she doesn't seem to have much of a base who's super excited about her. Do P!nk stans even exist? Somehow an ounce of interest from the gp is enough to keep her going.
    She's quite an enigma in the way that...you'll meet people and they'll say "Ugh I love Pink" but they can't name more then 3 songs they love from her.
    She speaks to people in some kind of way, she seems like a very nice and relatable person, she had some very good tv performances, her tours have a great reputation...And somehow her first singles are hits.
    She's kind of like Celine Dion in a way...the way people respond to them and how they operate.

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  • MrLeonix
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    Originally posted by Rihab View Post
    It's a mystery to me how P!nk has managed to stay successful for so many years despite zero evolution in her sound.

    It's especially surprising because she doesn't seem to have much of a base who's super excited about her. Do P!nk stans even exist? Somehow an ounce of interest from the gp is enough to keep her going.
    The thing with P!nk is that she is a very successful singer but not necessarily a huge superstar, she doesn’t cause much media interest, paparazzis never follow her, she only has like 7 million followers on Instagrams, she barely makes headlines, etc.

    In terms of media and celebrity power she’s far behind J.Lo and Beyoncé and she’s never treated with the same iconic status of Britney.

    However P!nk (like Katy Perry before her fall) simply appealed to the GP who bought her formulaic albums massively and went to her concerts.

    it’s weird because she’s very massive but there’s never been like a sensation or fascination towards her. Her success is very silent but I think she’s very cool, I’m glad she survived for that long and so good in the business.

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  • theMathematician
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    @Rihab: In Germany, female artists with a 'sexy' image tend to be less successful than in other countries. The Germans love ones with a tough and self-confident image and P!nk used to represent that. Same for acts like Amy MacDonald or Anastacia. That's why it's not considered 'embarassing' for a guy to admit to like her music in public.
    Why P!nk is still doing well after all these years? She's popular with the general audience: Even though 'Hurts 2 B Human' wasn't that much of a hit, I still heard its singles on the radio all the time. A big part of her target audience are in the 40s, buy her records in the record store, go to her concert with the partner, etc. Once you appeal to that group of people, you've got outsold concerts and album certifications a given for years to come, ask Andrea Berg or Herbert Grönemeyer.
    Last edited by theMathematician; Wed May 6, 2020, 22:05.

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  • Rihab
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    It's a mystery to me how P!nk has managed to stay successful for so many years despite zero evolution in her sound.

    It's especially surprising because she doesn't seem to have much of a base who's super excited about her. Do P!nk stans even exist? Somehow an ounce of interest from the gp is enough to keep her going.

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  • Hejira
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    Originally posted by MrLeonix View Post

    I do think her music was connected to her vision in the sense that she released the type of songs and music she wanted to do. It’s just that she felt too comfortable with it and never really changed releasing the same music over and over again in consequence. She just has a formula and close to cero level of experimentation.
    Yeah I think you're very right.

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  • jio
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    Who is Micaela? lol

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  • theMathematician
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    Same when a gossip- or music-related question comes up on 'Who wants to be a millionaire?'. And the candidates always struggle with them .

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  • stevyy
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    Originally posted by RayRay View Post
    So I had some real live pop talk today. There were two service enigeers (for our central heating) at our house today. I guess they were in their late 40s. Madonna's La Isla Bonita came up on the radio and they started to partly sing along. Then one told the other how it was originally by another singer, but that Madonna stole the song. So I told them it was the other way round: how Madonna released the song on her own LP, but Micaela released it as a single first, and Madonna released it as a single after her, but that it was still actually Madonna's song. Then one said, wasn't that in the late 80s? So I said: "In 1986 to be precise." And they were like: "How do you know all these things?"
    Later on one of them came downstairs to connect something in the living room and I put on Mariah's Dreamlover, just to see if he would know the song. And yes, he started to partly sing along.
    This made my day.
    I love these conversations. Whenever I am with friends and I randomly bring up trivia like these, their mouths are open in disbelief. I also always win in the game "buzz" because I always know everything pop-related.

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  • RayRay
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    So I had some real live pop talk today. There were two service enigeers (for our central heating) at our house today. I guess they were in their late 40s. Madonna's La Isla Bonita came up on the radio and they started to partly sing along. Then one told the other how it was originally by another singer, but that Madonna stole the song. So I told them it was the other way round: how Madonna released the song on her own LP, but Micaela released it as a single first, and Madonna released it as a single after her, but that it was still actually Madonna's song. Then one said, wasn't that in the late 80s? So I said: "In 1986 to be precise." And they were like: "How do you know all these things?"
    Later on one of them came downstairs to connect something in the living room and I put on Mariah's Dreamlover, just to see if he would know the song. And yes, he started to partly sing along.
    This made my day.

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  • InFamous
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    Originally posted by MrLeonix View Post

    I do think her music was connected to her vision in the sense that she released the type of songs and music she wanted to do. It’s just that she felt too comfortable with it and never really changed releasing the same music over and over again in consequence. She just has a formula and close to cero level of experimentation.
    Why would she change when she continued to have success with that sound. I mean she had two top 20 hits in 2016/17 in the US and its only with the last album that she has kinda dropped away in terms of success, and the album still managed to reach no 1.

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  • MrLeonix
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    Originally posted by Hejira View Post

    I'm starting to wonder if she ever had vision at all. Her music never reflects what she has to say in interviews about being an artist.
    She had her debut which was rooted in r&b en then she dropped "Missundaztood" as the obvious rebelling sophomore...her 3rd album was her most risky to date, but that flopped and then she took the "Missundaztood" formula and dropped her tightest album with "I'm not dead. And after that she just kept repeating and repeating and became blander and blander. So there really never was a clear artistic vision. She chose the right singles and focused on her performing skills, but her music really never was connected.
    I do think her music was connected to her vision in the sense that she released the type of songs and music she wanted to do. It’s just that she felt too comfortable with it and never really changed releasing the same music over and over again in consequence. She just has a formula and close to cero level of experimentation.

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  • Hejira
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    Originally posted by MrLeonix View Post

    Say that to P!nk
    I'm starting to wonder if she ever had vision at all. Her music never reflects what she has to say in interviews about being an artist.
    She had her debut which was rooted in r&b en then she dropped "Missundaztood" as the obvious rebelling sophomore...her 3rd album was her most risky to date, but that flopped and then she took the "Missundaztood" formula and dropped her tightest album with "I'm not dead. And after that she just kept repeating and repeating and became blander and blander. So there really never was a clear artistic vision. She chose the right singles and focused on her performing skills, but her music really never was connected.

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  • MrLeonix
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    Originally posted by BeeBoy View Post
    But you won't be on top of you release the same music over and over.
    Say that to P!nk

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