Pop Talk - General Music Discussion

[MrLeonix]

I can't separate the art from the artist and I don't think we should. I just feel it's inconsistent unless we also judge people like Hitler for his not so bad paintings. And who does that? When you physically hurt another human being, that crosses a line for me that I just can't ignore. No art in the world is so good that it makes up for rape, murder or the like. I'm not gonna applaud anyone for being a talented dancer when after the show, they go molest children. Sorry, not sorry.

Yeah I get it. It's a delicate situation because it was never really proven if he actually did that. But whatever the case could be sometimes bad people have talent, I mean Kevin Spacey (The Actor), he's a predator and he was removed from Hollywood after his scandals came out to light and he's disgusting indeed ... but I can't say he was a bad actor.

... Anyways, Michael has a bad reputation regarding of the truth, that can't be denied. But I also think Michael was a victim in life, a victim of fame and of the industry, he was done so bad and had such a horrible and abusive father, I think he was failed by so many people and circumstances to the point to it clearly mentally affected him, he was such a nice vibrant guy and ended up so weird and mentally ill. Somehow we blame him but sometimes society and people close to you fail you and have a part in the way you turn out. There wasn't anything in MJ's upbringing that could indicate he was going to be a "normal" guy.

[Rihab]

I think some are taking things personal .... And this tends to happen with the way some artists are perceived. The artist's personal life shouldn't define if he / she is good or not in the artistic field.

Michael has a bad reputation regarding his personal life but no one can deny he was a big talent, great producer, songwriter, vocalist, dancer, performer and visionary. In the early 80s he was simply ahead of his time and he was genuinly talented.

People want to confuse things now and use his personal reputation against him as an artist, like if he was a bad artist.

I can't separate the art from the artist and I don't think we should. I just feel it's inconsistent unless we also judge people like Hitler for his not so bad paintings. And who does that? When you physically hurt another human being, that crosses a line for me that I just can't ignore. No art in the world is so good that it makes up for rape, murder or the like. I'm not gonna applaud anyone for being a talented dancer when after the show, they go molest children. Sorry, not sorry.

[MrLeonix]

I think some are taking things personal .... And this tends to happen with the way some artists are perceived. The artist's personal life shouldn't define if he / she is good or not in the artistic field.

Michael has a bad reputation regarding his personal life but no one can deny he was a big talent, great producer, songwriter, vocalist, dancer, performer and visionary. In the early 80s he was simply ahead of his time and he was genuinly talented.

People want to confuse things now and use his personal reputation against him as an artist, like if he was a bad artist.

[Aaronsmithjune1]

I lowkey agree on MJ. Definitely a great performer and the most iconik of them all, but not my favorite nor the best.

This

[Aaronsmithjune1]

Michael likely committed worse crimes than lip syncing. I rarely see people glorify him nowadays and I'm not unhappy about it. He's not a good standard.

He's adisgusting human. I hate that his music is so good.

[Aaronsmithjune1]

The delusion of Bey stans thinking she was a better performer than MJ. I have seen many of them say this.

Dull lips surely isn't in the conversation

Michael could never do this

Beyonce can Perform & Sing. Very few have achieved it. Michael's performances was just production tbh.

[cheapthrills]

Vote now for clean skin.

Just over 24 hours left.

[aRat]

The delusion of Bey stans thinking she was a better performer than MJ. I have seen many of them say this.

[Rihab]

The fact that Britney gets dragged for lip syncing, yet people pretend that 95% of Michael's performances wasn't lipped is disgusting

Michael likely committed worse crimes than lip syncing. I rarely see people glorify him nowadays and I'm not unhappy about it. He's not a good standard.

[Goldmoney]

I lowkey agree on MJ. Definitely a great performer and the most iconik of them all, but not my favorite nor the best.

[Aaronsmithjune1]

The fact that Britney gets dragged for lip syncing, yet people pretend that 95% of Michael's performances wasn't lipped is disgusting

[Aaronsmithjune1]

The way people hype Michael Jackson up as a performer will never not be funny. Sure he has great music & videos. But as a performer he was good but not of the best imo. Tina Turner, Beyonce, Madonna, Prince, Bruno mars, Pink & lady Gaga on her good days are far better imo. His musical legacy isn't being Topped though. I just wish the GP can get out of the state of mind that because something came before that it can't be surpassed.

[Goldmoney]

Maria's biggest 'hit' vs. the debut of a 17 year-old from Barbados. It was the beginning of the end.

It’s scary to think that at this stage of her career, Rih is at the exact same point Kween was with GOAT. Let’s see Rih rewrite the record books after 15 years. I would have said she had a fighting chance but those socks aren’t going to sell themselves.

[Goldmoney]

The same damn song 18 times + All I Want For Xmas

The most one dimensional "artist" ever?

Sis, you know damn well GOAT and Fantasy are not the same song.

[stevyy]

It's not my views that are distorted, sis. If you ever left the house and tried to bring up Mariah in a conversation with real people, you'd realize that no one has heard of her in at least 10 years. I get that life is easier in the massive echo chamber that is her GAD thread, but it is not reality.

My 9th graders cannot name a Billie Eilish song either. What was your point again? Unless your point was to survey 83 million Germans of course... maybe you could headstart this ridiculous endeavor. Don't forget to bring a pencil or two. It might take you a while... enough time so we all can have reasonable discussions here.

[KEY9481]

I forgot how good Azealia Banks album is.
Ugh if only this biotch had a nice personality.
Her antics are so terrible that I couldn't find the strength to listen to her for so long.
Even had me regretting purchasing the record.

[theMathematician]

There seem to be people who primarily seem to choose the artists they support based on their streaming scores. On the other hand, the artists that are really successful on the worldwide charts, hardly get much attention on here (e.g. Billie Eilish or Lewis Capaldi), so I don't know what the point of such discussions is.

[Rihab]

do you really think i would care about your distorted views or opinion?

It's not my views that are distorted, sis. If you ever left the house and tried to bring up Mariah in a conversation with real people, you'd realize that no one has heard of her in at least 10 years. I get that life is easier in the massive echo chamber that is her GAD thread, but it is not reality.

[RayRay]

Mariah may not score hits with new songs, but at least she has given us 20 years with at least one new song every year. That's much more of worth to me.

[stevyy]

That 1994 novelty song hitting #1 is not going to revive her career, sweetie. It died a slow death starting in 2005 and was buried for good in 2008.

She'd miss the bubbling under chart if she released a new song today.

do you really think i would care about your distorted views or opinion?

I'm not a success stan... (and from a charts standpoint... would she release a song new song today... it would most def. not chart as today is Sunday, #tracking week, #anyone).

[Rihab]

What are you on about? Mariah Carey obtained 3 more #1's post WBT

2019-2020 - 03 weeks - All I want for Christmas Is You
2008-2008 - 02 weeks - Touch my Body
2005-2006 - 02 weeks - Don't Forget About Us
2005-2005 - 14 weeks - We Belong Together
2000-2000 - 01 weeks - Thank God I Found You
1999-1999 - 02 weeks - Heartbreaker
1998-1998 - 01 weeks - My All
1997-1997 - 03 weeks - Honey
1996-1996 - 02 weeks - Always be my Baby
1995-1996 - 16 weeks - One Sweet Day
1995-1995 - 08 weeks - Fantasy
1993-1994 - 04 weeks - Hero
1993-1993 - 08 weeks - Dreamlover
1992-1992 - 02 weeks - I'll Be There
1991-1991 - 03 weeks - Emotions
1991-1991 - 02 weeks - I Don't Wanna Cry
1991-1991 - 02 weeks - Someday
1990-1990 - 03 weeks - Love Takes Time
1990-1990 - 04 weeks - Vision of Love

That 1994 novelty song hitting #1 is not going to revive her career, sweetie. It died a slow death starting in 2005 and was buried for good in 2008.

She'd miss the bubbling under chart if she released a new song today.

[aRat]

So childish and vapid. You can't even come up with anything worthy to say.
I think I need to get out of this thread for awhile cause I can't see myself not insulting someone soon.

Ok overnight Shakira stan

By the way your comments towards Xtine weren't much better, just saying

[stevyy]

Could you post each song spotify streams?

2019 - 03 weeks - 670,601,598 - All I want for Christmas Is You
2008 - 02 weeks - 67,656,436 - Touch my Body
2005 - 02 weeks - 20,153,793 - Don't Forget About Us
2005 - 14 weeks - 220,194,770 - We Belong Together
2000 - 01 weeks - 18,987,986 - Thank God I Found You
1999 - 02 weeks - 49,452,059 - Heartbreaker
1998 - 01 weeks - 38,972,514 - My All
1997 - 03 weeks - 32,791,366 - Honey
1996 - 02 weeks - 155,136,728 - Always be my Baby
1995 - 16 weeks - 73,822,842 - One Sweet Day
1995 - 08 weeks - 90,242,719 - Fantasy (+26,786,315 for Fantasy Remix)
1993 - 04 weeks - 105,311,407 - Hero
1993 - 08 weeks - 26,344,386 - Dreamlover
1992 - 02 weeks - 34,466,198 - I'll Be There
1991 - 03 weeks - 43,120,515 - Emotions
1991 - 02 weeks - 8,823,025 - I Don't Wanna Cry
1991 - 02 weeks - 9,956,715 - Someday
1990 - 03 weeks - 17,094,398 - Love Takes Times
1990 - 04 weeks - 27,098,166 - Vision of Love

legendary.

[RayRay]

And there we are again: discussing the singer that matters most... Mariah Carey .

[Hejira]

The same damn song 18 times + All I Want For Xmas

The most one dimensional "artist" ever?

So childish and vapid. You can't even come up with anything worthy to say.
I think I need to get out of this thread for awhile cause I can't see myself not insulting someone soon.