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  • Originally posted by cheapthrills View Post
    theMathematician I know how to read. I asked a question for you to explain.

    White collar crimes are non-violent financial crimes. They are often committed by business people - for example, embezzlement, identity theft, or money laundering.
    OK, then. I wrote that migrants tend to be criminal more often, as backed up by the statistics, but not because of the simple fact that they are migrants but because of the situation they live or grew up in (= socialisation). Michiel is the expert of socialisation, obviously, so he already mentioned a good share of interesting aspects. I'm more of the guy to provide the numbers.

    Oh, I see what you mean with white collar crimes, stuff like when Amazon or Starbucks don't pay taxes, right? I obviously don't like that, though I see such crimes, as compared to ones involving violence, as the lesser evil, to be honest.

    @Tlfan: That's quite a gap, indeed. It's definitely better to stick with official numbers, and every murder, of course, is one too much. News reports about interracial murders make it seem like they happen much more often than they do. In most cases, it's indeed white people killed by white people or black people killed by black people.
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    • Originally posted by theMathematician View Post
      I'm more of the guy to provide the numbers.


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      • Originally posted by theMathematician View Post
        Oh, I see what you mean with white collar crimes, stuff like when Amazon or Starbucks don't pay taxes, right? I obviously don't like that, though I see such crimes, as compared to ones involving violence, as the lesser evil, to be honest.
        Not just fraud crimes .. but also others like pedoph*l*a, child trafficking and sexual abuse cases are widely seen among people of power who are far from being migrants, in other words very rich white people (like Jeffrey Epstein or Harvey Winstein or even going from priests to influential politicians).
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        • Originally posted by theMathematician View Post

          OK, then. I wrote that migrants tend to be criminal more often, as backed up by the statistics, but not because of the simple fact that they are migrants but because of the situation they live or grew up in (= socialisation). Michiel is the expert of socialisation, obviously, so he already mentioned a good share of interesting aspects. I'm more of the guy to provide the numbers.

          Oh, I see what you mean with white collar crimes, stuff like when Amazon or Starbucks don't pay taxes, right? I obviously don't like that, though I see such crimes, as compared to ones involving violence, as the lesser evil, to be honest.

          @Tlfan: That's quite a gap, indeed. It's definitely better to stick with official numbers, and every murder, of course, is one too much. News reports about interracial murders make it seem like they happen much more often than they do. In most cases, it's indeed white people killed by white people or black people killed by black people.
          So you are not going to address any of Michiel's points? You really think that Trump paying less taxes than a supermarket cleaner is better than someone stealing food or medicine? Several companies importing illegal workers from Mexico to the US and paying them illegal salaries, only to deport them when they don't need them anymore is better than an isolated robbery? Bankers driving economies to the ground, taking millions to poverty through corruption and it's all good?

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          • Originally posted by MrLeonix View Post

            Not just fraud crimes .. but also others like pedoph*l*a, child trafficking and sexual abuse cases are widely seen among people of power who are far from being migrants, in other words very rich white people (like Jeffrey Epstein or Harvey Winstein or even going from priests to influential politicians).
            Jeffrey Epstein ran a pedophile ring for decades and got away with it even when being prosecuted by the FBI, with very solid evidence. But for Timmy it's not that serious because these people are not doing anything directly.
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            • Originally posted by DnBLover View Post

              Jeffrey Epstein ran a pedophile ring for decades and got away with it even when being prosecuted by the FBI, with very solid evidence. But for Timmy it's not that serious because these people are not doing anything directly.
              Based on actual numbers the majority of criminals who ran devastating pedophile rings, human trafficking networks, massive ponzi schemes and even genocides that meant the death of millions and among the most violent / brutal acts in human history (torture, etc) were NOT done by neither migrants or black people. Just saying
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              • Originally posted by aRat View Post


                Numbers from Wikipedia no less

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                • Originally posted by DnBLover View Post

                  Jeffrey Epstein ran a pedophile ring for decades and got away with it even when being prosecuted by the FBI, with very solid evidence. But for Timmy it's not that serious because these people are not doing anything directly.
                  Let's just call a spade a spade: for Timmy it's not that serious because it's white men doing that. He would much rather concentrate on the petty theft crimes done by migrants. The same migrants that he views as being inherently prone to crime / violence.

                  On that note lemme just put him back on ignore. Tired of entertaining that insipid bigoted rhetoric (again).
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                  • Originally posted by theMathematician View Post
                    @aRat: When statistics say that [random number x] % of prisoners are of a foreign background and the share of foreigners in the society is lower, then there is simply a higher crime of rate within the foreign population
                    Wrong!

                    That's just your (racist) way to interpret the statistic. Let's assume, just for a second, that crime rates among natives and foreigners were in fact the same, but foreigners were more likely to get caught (e.g. due to racist police officers) and more likely to be sent to prison for the same crimes (due to a racist justice system): They would also end up with a higher share of prisoners.

                    You see, there is always more than one way to interpret a statistic. Yet you will always go for the racist interpretation. I think that says more about you than about the statistic.

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                    • I hate when people use the word "loophole" when it comes to billion dollar companies and "billionaires" avoiding taxes. In 2018, Amazon had made a profit of $11 billion dollars and they paid 0$ in federal taxes. They actually received a $129 million dollar refund. The previous year, they received a $137 million refund. So many people say, they simply found a "loophole." What is the loophole? How is it that only billion dollar empires can have access to this loophole?
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                      • I know I am jumping a bit, but here is something else I wanted to post. This is a copy and paste from the National Registry of Exonerations.

                        "African Americans are only 13% of the American population but a majority of innocent defendants wrongfully convicted of crimes and later exonerated. They constitute 47% of the 1,900 exonerations listed in the National Registry of Exonerations (as of October 2016), and the great majority of more than 1,800 additional innocent defendants who were framed and convicted of crimes in 15 large-scale police scandals and later cleared in “group exonerations.” We see this racial disparity for all major crime categories, but we examine it in this report in the context of the three types of crime that produce the largest numbers of exonerations in the Registry: murder, sexual assault, and drug crimes. I. Murder • Judging from exonerations, innocent black people are about seven times more likely to be convicted of murder than innocent white people. A major cause of the high number of black murder exonerations is the high homicide rate in the black community—a tragedy that kills many African Americans and sends many others to prison. Innocent defendants who are falsely convicted and exonerated do not contribute to this high homicide rate. They— like the families of victims who are killed—are deeply harmed by murders committed by others. • African-American prisoners who are convicted of murder are about 50% more likely to be innocent than other convicted murderers. Part of that disparity is tied to the race of the victim. African Americans imprisoned for murder are more likely to be innocent if they were convicted of killing white victims. Only about 15% of murders by African Americans have white victims, but 31% of innocent African-American murder exonerees were convicted of killing white people. • The convictions that led to murder exonerations with black defendants were 22% more likely to include misconduct by police officers than those with white defendants. In addition, on average black murder exonerees spent three years longer in prison before release than white murder exonerees, and those sentenced to death spent four years longer. • Many of the convictions of African-American murder exonerees were affected by a wide range of types of racial discrimination, from unconscious bias and institutional discrimination to explicit racism. • Most wrongful convictions are never discovered. We have no direct measure of the number of all convictions of innocent murder defendants, but our best estimate suggests that they outnumber those we know about many times over. Judging from exonerations, half of those innocent murder defendants are African Americans."

                        I should just highlight the entire thing....
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                        • TIfan Those are some shocking numbers.
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                          • I have to wonder are people a product of their surroundings or did they develop into what they are all by themselves ?
                            I find it shocking that a ( relatively) young person can have such biased and closed minded views of the world, and be so proudly incorrect about everything.

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                            • Originally posted by MrLeonix View Post

                              Based on actual numbers the majority of criminals who ran devastating pedophile rings, human trafficking networks, massive ponzi schemes and even genocides that meant the death of millions and among the most violent / brutal acts in human history (torture, etc) were NOT done by neither migrants or black people. Just saying
                              Right? People in power are always the most violent and cause the most tragedies. For the past 500 years or so that has clearly been white european men. Just think back of all the devastating wars, famines, genocides, slavery, human trafficking, torture, human experimenting just in the last 80 years that have killed hundreds of millions and affected hundreds of millions more. But sure the migrant who lives 2 buildings away and is on welfare is the real threat.
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                              • DnBLover : He wrote the essay right before I had to head off to work. I was already late and so wanted to leave with a quick answer. I'm sure Michiel wrote a lot of good aspects as his posts considering social aspects are always well-structured and full of interesting points, irrespective of whether you share them or not. Obviously, I'm against the crimes you mentioned such as pedophilia etc. I consider crimes that don't hurt people not as bad as ones that do. Does that mean that I support violating tax laws? Obviously not!

                                MrLeonix : You're right there: At least in the US and Europe, those crimes were mostly committed by white men.

                                Rihab : You could have a point with that. However, doubting a statistic means you have to back that up with some evidence. So if you have a statistic on migrants being in prison incorrectly, it would be cool to provide it .

                                TIfan : 'Loophole' fits when it's something that is tricky to find out but could be used by everyone theoretically. Amazon etc. have got clever legal departments that have the task to find such loopholes. A small shop may not have the legal knowledge or the ressources to find such. I just read the quote, which basically answers what I asked Rihab earlier on. What could be the reasons for that pattern - other than simply calling the US legal system 'racist'?
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                                • I do have issues with BLM I will admit. It seems to not apply to Black LGBTQ and barely Black women.

                                  Also, BLM needs to address our on self hate and crimes against one another. I know that there is a long history of outside hate, but we need to clean out own community as well. Black LGBTQ are so isolated in the Black community and the overall LGBTQ community. Black transwomen are murdered and no one bats an eye. I've heard multiple Blacks say that they'd rather their son be a murderer than be gay.

                                  Just like we need to clean our yards (racism), we need to clean the inside of our homes as well (anti-lgbtq, crime, education etc.).
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                                  • Originally posted by theMathematician View Post
                                    DnBLover : He wrote the essay right before I had to head off to work. I was already late and so wanted to leave with a quick answer. I'm sure Michiel wrote a lot of good aspects as his posts considering social aspects are always well-structured and full of interesting points, irrespective of whether you share them or not. Obviously, I'm against the crimes you mentioned such as pedophilia etc. I consider crimes that don't hurt people not as bad as ones that do. Does that mean that I support violating tax laws? Obviously not!

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                                    I just want to add that what I said is social science, you cannot say 'irrespective of whether you share them'. But thanks for the compliment, and I'm happy you were able to get through them. I'm well aware my posts are a bit long ;)! But you cannot say I do not share them or whatever. These are all empirical facts, scientifically proven and reproduced in multiple research designs. By now I'm used to these expressions, as the dominant model of science is more aligned with paradigms in exact sciences and positivsm. Yet, what I said is not less scientific, it is not for you to cherry pick, it is a different type of science (even though I consciously added very rigorous and posivistic science to make my point, apparently not enough lol).

                                    My post is science (with an unwritten finality for social justice and equity), what you choose to lay your own emphasis on is political. You can cherry pick in that realm. If you prefer to see everything through a deficit perspective than you lay more emphasis on a decontextualized view of individual responsibility. Which is fine by me if that's your political choice. But what you cannot do is make that political choice and ignore all the rest, you need to realize the consequences of your political choice. Investing mainly in that deficit perspective will never lead to equity, cause you ignore too many other things. Why do you think I said you were not wrong just half right?

                                    TIfan Yes! Love your post. It also one of the common critiques against it among participants and other minoritized groups. The only does not exclude the other of course, it is important to find alliances in these differences and unifying minorities who are damaged by the dominant group in a different fashion yet through similar mechanism. A common goal is oh so important for these social movements, otherwise you risk that the one excludes the other. It's what makes your post beautiful, realizing just that!
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                                    • MrLeonix : You're right there: At least in the US and Europe, those crimes were mostly committed by white men.

                                      LOL It's not just the US and Europe. You realize that the whole planet has been colonized by white Europeans right? Whether it's asia, Africa, the whole american continent or Australia. It all leads back to colonization and white poeple in power and their construct of society. Of course there have also been people in power before colonization but in handsight there is not a single continent that wasn't affected by huuuge crimes comitted by white supremacists. Some were just more fortunate than others to not being (nearly) completely wiped out.



                                      Originally posted by aRat View Post

                                      Right? People in power are always the most violent and cause the most tragedies. For the past 500 years or so that has clearly been white european men. Just think back of all the devastating wars, famines, genocides, slavery, human trafficking, torture, human experimenting just in the last 80 years that have killed hundreds of millions and affected hundreds of millions more. But sure the migrant who lives 2 buildings away and is on welfare is the real threat.
                                      That's exactly what capitalism and the white men in power teach the population though. Society has been tought to go for the little ones who can easily be blamed. A poor guy who starves if he doesn't steal let's send him to prison what he has done is a crime!
                                      Oh a billionaire not paying taxes and getting hundred millions of dollars tax refund on top, well it's just money right? No people were hurt- let it slide.

                                      That in return hundred thousands of people die for money and power hungry men no one seems to be able to grasp.

                                      The conservative mindset is really what's upholding this inequality construct. Well I'm doing good so let's better keep it this way
                                      We're just having a prime example right here with Timmy very interesting UKMIX case study. I just hope you'll get to see new ways of thinking outside of your bubble.
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                                      • Originally posted by BeeBoy View Post
                                        The conservative mindset is really what's upholding this inequality construct. Well I'm doing good so let's better keep it this way
                                        We're just having a prime example right here with Timmy very interesting UKMIX case study. I just hope you'll get to see new ways of thinking outside of your bubble.
                                        Conservatives and right wingers are a constant reminder that humans still have a long way to go. That a system that only benefits a tiny powerful minority while disadvantages everyone else is so popular and flourishing is beyond me.

                                        He has no intention of changing and leaving that little village of his. He openly admitted that he wants to live his whole life there. Probably because he knows he will be met with constant disapproval of his bigoted views if he moves to a bigger city just like no one except CrazyCrazy shares his views on this board. He'd rather stay in that little village and remain a bigot safely and happily.
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                                        • Michiel l: I admit that I didn't get half of your last post, which probably has to do with me being overwhelmed by all your professionalism and expertise ;) . What I meant with "sharing" is that I can totally see why your thoughts are correct from a scientific point of view, I few I don't agree with on a personal level, but I dare to say that that's the case with social studies in general (I studied them myself.). So please don't consider this criticism as it's the total opposite!
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                                            • Originally posted by Rihab View Post
                                              Throwing a 20 person corona version of Oktoberfest in my garage tonight. Who's coming?
                                              I would cum but your town is too far away

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                                              • Originally posted by aRat View Post
                                                I would cum but your town is too far away
                                                We have guest rooms sis.

                                                But fine, I'll make sure to put one Dula song on the playlist and toast to all the rats who couldn't make it.

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                                                • Originally posted by aRat View Post

                                                  Conservatives and right wingers are a constant reminder that humans still have a long way to go. That a system that only benefits a tiny powerful minority while disadvantages everyone else is so popular and flourishing is beyond me.

                                                  He has no intention of changing and leaving that little village of his. He openly admitted that he wants to live his whole life there. Probably because he knows he will be met with constant disapproval of his bigoted views if he moves to a bigger city just like no one except CrazyCrazy shares his views on this board. He'd rather stay in that little village and remain a bigot safely and happily.
                                                  He just claimed that migrants are responsible for most of the Corona virus in Germany.. it's going too far now in my opinion

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