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  • #46
    I'm not addressing this to anyone in particular, this is just what I've been thinking to myself.

    There always exists such a thing as war propaganda, and you'll never know which side is telling you the truth, and which side is telling you a lie - especially if you're not living in the countries that are at war against each other. It's easy for outsiders to judge other countries, but I wish people would be more critical with what they see on the media (IMO the media is mostly based on rumors, not the truth).

    The fact is, you cannot possibly know who started the war. There are two different versions of what happened, but nobody really knows for sure what happened, except for the people who were involved...

    and I guess that's all I'm going to say about the topic (at least for now). And, btw, I'm not taking any sides. Just stating my confusion out loud.

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    • #47
      Yes but Freedom is Freedom!

      Cheers Cidermaster
      You can never have enough luxury lemon drizzle cake

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      • #48
        Originally posted by StarQuality
        The fact is, you cannot possibly know who started the war. There are two different versions of what happened, but nobody really knows for sure what happened, except for the people who were involved...
        very true
        both sides are fed with the media coverage that serves purposes of each given country. so I don't say Russian version of it is more correct than world's
        and, cider, Putin is a good leader - he has flaws, but he managed to resurrect the country after what Yeltsin put it through.
        for some reason... I'm here

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        • #49
          Originally posted by cidermaster
          Yes but Freedom is Freedom!

          Cheers Cidermaster
          Huh?! I'm all for freedom, Cider. Me, if anyone, should know how important freedom & independence is - my grandfathers fought in the Finnish-Soviet winterwar of 1939, as well as the continuation war of 1941, defending Finland's independence.

          I was just stating in general terms how there are usually two different versions of how some particular war gets started. The Finnish version of the winterwar, for instance, probably differs from the Russian version.

          And what does the rest of the world believe? (=How are these wars reported to the rest of the world? From whose perspective?)

          The Georgia-Russia war made me think about questions like these again.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Dalmatin
            [and, cider, Putin is a good leader - he has flaws, but he managed to resurrect the country after what Yeltsin put it through.
            I think it is true that Putin has resurrected Russia. The key now is to where he takes Russia into the future. He has nearly absolute power and can take Russia in either two directions. One is the road to dictatorship or the other the road to democracy which includes respect for the rule of law that gives equality before the law, true free elections, an independent judicary, a independent media and hopefully a modern secular state. All Russians should have equal access to power and should enjoy universally recognized freedoms and liberties.

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            • #51
              Actually i must hold my hands up and admit i was a bit hard on Russia,afterall we in the UK are far from perfect.

              And all this talk of NATO v Russia.No thats wrong, Russia should be embraced into the arms of Europe and respect runs both ways.

              As for Putin,well he loves Siberian Tigers and wants to ensure their survival,thats good enough for me,afterall if the Americans mess up they could have someone who wants to shoot all the great animals!!

              Russia i love you,you have great bears and tigers,in the UK we only have Badgers and foxes,oh and the Scottish Wildcat!!

              Cheers Cidermaster
              You can never have enough luxury lemon drizzle cake

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              • #52
                we love you too, cidermaster
                when's the next batch of cider coming my way?
                for some reason... I'm here

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                • #53
                  Do not worry Dalmatin 3 large boxes of Cider are on the way to you!

                  Cheers Cidermaster

                  PS I here that the Scots drink Iron Bru is quite popular in Russia??
                  You can never have enough luxury lemon drizzle cake

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                  • #54
                    yep. I like it, but I don't drink it too often

                    for some reason... I'm here

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                    • #55
                      Great post Dalmatin,i completly love that picture!

                      Many cheers Cidermaster
                      You can never have enough luxury lemon drizzle cake

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                      • #56
                        Early in the morning of 8 August, Georgia launched a military offensive, codenamed Operation Clear Field to capture Tskhinvali. The Georgian 4th Brigade spearheaded the infantry attack, while the 2nd and 3rd Brigades provided support.Georgian forces soon seized several strategic South Ossetian controlled villages located on higher ground around the city. After securing the heights around Tskhinvali, Georgian Special Forces of the Interior Ministry, supported by Sukhoi Su-25 aircraft, artillery, tanks, and Otokar Cobra armored vehicles, moved into the city. South Ossetian sources claimed that a Georgian tank attack on the suburbs of the city was repelled by South Ossetian militia at 3:46 AM.
                        RIP those who died there

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