Coronavirus outbreak

[theMathematician]

Actual protestors should be in the 6-digit area, but there are much more people who are anti-government and anti-Corona measures. stevyy tends to exaggerate, but in that case, he seems to be pretty right with the numbers actually.

[KEY9481]

Anyone can sit behind a computer and spout nonsense.

As witnessed in this thread in a weekly basis.

[InFamous]

I'd say... we have an estimated 8,000,000 people who are anti-government and anti-corona measures. That's a gigantic 10% of the entire population who'd rather have an autocracy installed here. (60% of those are living in Eastern Germany).

I was talking about the numbers who came out and protested on the streets. Anyone can sit behind a computer and spout nonsense.

[stevyy]

I would estimate that the "protestors" would represent at best 0.2 percent of the entire population of Germany, an irrelevant group of simple minded people really who had nothing better to do.

I'd say... we have an estimated 8,000,000 people who are anti-government and anti-corona measures. That's a gigantic 10% of the entire population who'd rather have an autocracy installed here. (60% of those are living in Eastern Germany).

[jio]

1. Australia is not in Europe.
2. I did not mention anything about countries in Europe with high levels of vaccination so therefore your reply is irrelevant to what I actually wrote. ( see point 3)
3. My original post " Sorry to break it to you but Australia are not responsible for vaccinating South America when they hardly have any of their own people vaccinated"

I was talking about Europe... it was a mistake a quoted you though, sorry

[ludichris]

The UK records 26,068 new coronavirus cases - the highest since 29 January

OMG!

But the number of deaths - at 14 - and hospitalisation rates are lower compared with that wave

Phew!

[InFamous]

Hmmm, depends on your definition of humanity and solidarity I guess. I don't know about Australia but I will speak about Europe. When Europe has virtually vaccinated all the vulnerable groups (except for people who deny vaccination of course), it only seems logical to move ahead with donating to countries which have yet to complete even their 60+ groups because of lack of vaccines rather than vaccinating non-vulnerable children and very young whose danger from this disease is rather small.

1. Australia is not in Europe.
2. I did not mention anything about countries in Europe with high levels of vaccination so therefore your reply is irrelevant to what I actually wrote. ( see point 3)
3. My original post " Sorry to break it to you but Australia are not responsible for vaccinating South America when they hardly have any of their own people vaccinated"

[jio]

Sorry to break it to you but Australia are not responsible for vaccinating South America when they hardly have any of their own people vaccinated.

Hmmm, depends on your definition of humanity and solidarity I guess. I don't know about Australia but I will speak about Europe. When Europe has virtually vaccinated all the vulnerable groups (except for people who deny vaccination of course), it only seems logical to move ahead with donating to countries which have yet to complete even their 60+ groups because of lack of vaccines rather than vaccinating non-vulnerable children and very young whose danger from this disease is rather small.

[InFamous]

I would estimate that the "protestors" would represent at best 0.2 percent of the entire population of Germany, an irrelevant group of simple minded people really who had nothing better to do.

[Tansike]

Got my second dose yesterday, it's been 21 hours ever since. Had a little headache yesterday and several parts of my body hurt this morning. My legs also feel extremely heavy for a few hours now. But so far a better "experience" than after the first dose, I hope it keeps up like that until the day is over, since some people only started to get side effects over 24 hours after they got the dose.

I'll be off work tomorrow morning so I hope to get a little bit more sleep than usual next night, so I should be fine then

[theMathematician]

Cinemas are going to open open from tomorrow on around here .

[theMathematician]

InfoFromAus : I guess your major advantage is simple - the population is believing that the government is doing the right thing. I once watched a short report about Finland when they had one of the lowest incidence rates in Europe, and it was pretty much the same there. In my country, however, the people were mostly unsatisfied with the Covid management of the government. There have been many protests during the last year and even the people who didn't protest weren't satisfied with the fact that the politicians kept saying one thing, then ended up doing another, promised things they couldn't keep and coming up with lousy compromises. Not to forget that we had this lockdown-situation going on for months and at one point, numbers weren't even decreasing anymore because people stopped caring basically - but still the politicians couldn't come up with an alternative. In the beginning of the year, the vaccination campaign started pretty badly because Germany fully relied on the EU which messed up purchasing the vaccine doses, but fortunately, at least that thing improved.

[Ewokguy15]

Well, we've seen them work. No one loves them, but I think the majority understand.

I've read in this thread a lot of complaints from people from many countries about their lockdowns - either they're too long or they're ineffective.

Here in Australia they helped us get to 0 cases a few times, and we've enjoyed that benefit for most of the past 12 months (at least the majority of us have).

The biggest lockdown was last year in Victoria (not my state), with a population of 6.6 million. They had 0 daily local cases and just over 2,000 cases total when an outbreak occurred last July. They ended up with over 20,000 cases not even three months later (that's 2/3rds of Australia's total cases).

Australia had never seen anything like the Victoria outbreak - it was really bad. If it weren't for the lockdown, they could have had double that number - instead they got back to 0 and opened up.

Australians saw the benefit of that lockdown - in averting a national disaster and eliminating the virus. So we trusted the system to help us get there. Cause honestly once you've had a taste of 0 cases and relative safety and freedom, you're more willing to do things to get back there.

In any case, this current lockdown in Sydney is only the second time I've been impacted since the start of the pandemic. It was the initial lockdown in March/April last year and now this. I haven't been locked down in almost 15 months.

I live in Melbourne too, it's crazy how we have turned things around and now everyone else is locked down!

[InfoFromAus]

Oh thanks, maybe she is hesitant about AZ vaccine. Hope you'll get more doses of Pfizer vaccine, even Turkey managed to get decent amount of them.

Yes, ours were scheduled for later this year along with Moderna to cover the balance but I think there's just more pressure now and we're getting heaps more in July/August.

[spiritboy]

It's rolling.
Strange about your aunt cause Victoria has had a good number of vaccinations. The figures are growing each week and older Australians are prioritised. They can go to their local doctor or a state run facility to get vaccinated.

Over 60s get AZ and those under 60 get Pfizer (but we don't yet have as many doses of that - more coming in July).

The federal government however yesterday announced that anyone of any age 18+ can request an AZ vaccine from their doctor if they don't want to wait for Pfizer.

Oh thanks, maybe she is hesitant about AZ vaccine. Hope you'll get more doses of Pfizer vaccine, even Turkey managed to get decent amount of them.

[InfoFromAus]

How is vaccination process is going in Australia? I've talked to my aunt who is almost 80 and lives in Melbourne, told me that she still hasn't been vaccinated.

It's rolling.
Strange about your aunt cause Victoria has had a good number of vaccinations. The figures are growing each week and older Australians are prioritised. They can go to their local doctor or a state run facility to get vaccinated.

Over 60s get AZ and those under 60 get Pfizer (but we don't yet have as many doses of that - more coming in July).

The federal government however yesterday announced that anyone of any age 18+ can request an AZ vaccine from their doctor if they don't want to wait for Pfizer.

[InfoFromAus]

Really? Is there nationwise approval of the measurement? In my country, there have been protests when numbers were miles higher than your current ones.

Well, we've seen them work. No one loves them, but I think the majority understand.

I've read in this thread a lot of complaints from people from many countries about their lockdowns - either they're too long or they're ineffective.

Here in Australia they helped us get to 0 cases a few times, and we've enjoyed that benefit for most of the past 12 months (at least the majority of us have).

The biggest lockdown was last year in Victoria (not my state), with a population of 6.6 million. They had 0 daily local cases and just over 2,000 cases total when an outbreak occurred last July. They ended up with over 20,000 cases not even three months later (that's 2/3rds of Australia's total cases).

Australia had never seen anything like the Victoria outbreak - it was really bad. If it weren't for the lockdown, they could have had double that number - instead they got back to 0 and opened up.

Australians saw the benefit of that lockdown - in averting a national disaster and eliminating the virus. So we trusted the system to help us get there. Cause honestly once you've had a taste of 0 cases and relative safety and freedom, you're more willing to do things to get back there.

In any case, this current lockdown in Sydney is only the second time I've been impacted since the start of the pandemic. It was the initial lockdown in March/April last year and now this. I haven't been locked down in almost 15 months.

[spiritboy]

How is vaccination process is going in Australia? I've talked to my aunt who is almost 80 and lives in Melbourne, told me that she still hasn't been vaccinated.

[theMathematician]

It is disappointing we ended up in this situation but I think many of us here know it's the right thing to do at this time.

Really? Is there nationwise approval of the measurement? In my country, there have been protests when numbers were miles higher than your current ones.

[InFamous]

Yeah, I'm in lockdown at the moment in Sydney.

Strangely some of our retail shops here are still open and technically I can go to Westfield/shopping centres and buy stuff if I want, but I haven't.

It is disappointing we ended up in this situation but I think many of us here know it's the right thing to do at this time.

Absolutely is. Stay safe.

[InfoFromAus]

Sorry to break it to you but Australia are not responsible for vaccinating South America when they hardly have any of their own people vaccinated.

haha - and actually Australia and NZ are helping the Pacific Islands nations get vaccines.

[InfoFromAus]

Yeah, according to experts its way more transmissable than the Kent variant, which was already way more transmissable than the first strain.
Are you in lockdown currently or free ?

Yeah, I'm in lockdown at the moment in Sydney.

Strangely some of our retail shops here are still open and technically I can go to Westfield/shopping centres and buy stuff if I want, but I haven't.

It is disappointing we ended up in this situation but I think many of us here know it's the right thing to do at this time.

[InFamous]

Sorry to break it to you but Australia are not responsible for vaccinating South America when they hardly have any of their own people vaccinated.

[theMathematician]

InFamous : I was referring to your demand for further vaccination in Australia when especially South America seems to need the vaccination at the moment (see the aforementioned incidence rates).

[InFamous]

lol - pretty sure it wasn't Ora this time.

I think all these delta cases might be linked back to the limo driver... and that delta variant he got had a US origin - it was a FedEx crew from the US that he was transporting.

The December quarantine leak virus also had a US origin. Sigh.

The virus is still spreading fast in other countries and we're still getting cases. I am grateful our borders are closed to be honest. Imagine they weren't!

And you're correct - it is crazy how easy the new variant spreads. Our previous cases were a lot easier to manage and the virus was eliminated usually quickly. But this strain is spreading fast and seems to infect quickly.

Yeah, according to experts its way more transmissable than the Kent variant, which was already way more transmissable than the first strain.
Are you in lockdown currently or free ?