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  • German measures set to last four or five more months is has been revealed today:

    Germany warned today that its anti-coronavirus measures were likely to last four or five more months, as Greece announced a new ban on gatherings and Mexico surpassed one million infections.

    Germany, Europe's largest economy, went into partial lockdown in early November, closing bars, restaurants and other recreational facilities but keeping schools and shops open.

    "We will have to live with considerable precautions and restrictions for at least the next four to five months," Economy Minister Peter Altmaier told the Bild an Sonntag newspaper.

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    • Thank you all...
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      • Thanks for the report, InFamous . The German government is... well, what can I say... one of a kind.
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        • Originally posted by InFamous View Post
          German measures set to last four or five more months is has been revealed today:

          Germany warned today that its anti-coronavirus measures were likely to last four or five more months, as Greece announced a new ban on gatherings and Mexico surpassed one million infections.

          Germany, Europe's largest economy, went into partial lockdown in early November, closing bars, restaurants and other recreational facilities but keeping schools and shops open.

          "We will have to live with considerable precautions and restrictions for at least the next four to five months," Economy Minister Peter Altmaier told the Bild an Sonntag newspaper.
          It's a no from me.

          Lock everyone aged 50+ in a basement, I'm doing whatever I want starting Dec 1.

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          • Originally posted by Rihab View Post

            It's a no from me.

            Lock everyone aged 50+ in a basement, I'm doing whatever I want starting Dec 1.
            If everything remains closed babygorl you don't have much options of things to do though .

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            • Originally posted by InFamous View Post

              If everything remains closed babygorl you don't have much options of things to do though .
              I'm waiting for the first shops to say 'F- it, I'll open nevertheless!'. I mean, the big ones could handle the fines and that would be a sign towards the government, wouldn't it?
              Is it offensive to fall in love with you and everything you do
              and everything you stand for?
              Could I break through your invisible wall, could I hide my pride for once,
              just to tell you that I see more?

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              • Well shops are still open? And I doubt it would be worth it with fines, neither would public order offices/Police let that happen. Restaurant get 75% of last year's earnings and can still sell via take away. I doubt it's worth going though any trouble.

                What you do in private though is totally different. There is so effective way to control that. I'm not really sticking to the one other houshold rule atm and IDGAF because no one cares what you do at work either as long as you still labour. I'm also definitely celebrating christmas with family and new years with friends so
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                • THE GUARDIAN: Moderna Covid vaccine candidate almost 95% effective, trials show

                  US-based biotech firm is latest to reveal impressive results from phase 3 trials of jab

                  The race for a coronavirus vaccine has received another shot in the arm with the US biotech firm Moderna becoming the latest to reveal impressive results from phase 3 trials of its jab.

                  An interim analysis released on Monday, and based on 95 patients with confirmed Covid infections, found the candidate vaccine has an efficacy of 94.5%. The company said it planned to apply to the US regulator, the Food and Drug Administration, for emergency-use authorisation in the coming weeks. In the analysis, 90 of the patients received the placebo with the remaining five the vaccine.

                  The results are the latest encouraging news to emerge from the breakneck effort to develop a vaccine against coronavirus and follow a similar interim analysis earlier this month from a collaboration between Pfizer and the German firm BioNTech, which suggest its vaccine is 90% effective at preventing illness.

                  The Moderna vaccine, which is being trialled in more than 30,000 volunteers, is not expected to be available outside the US until next year. The biotech company said it would have 20m doses ready to ship in the US before the end of 2020 and hoped to manufacture 500m to 1bn doses globally next year.

                  So far, the UK does not stand to benefit from the vaccine but a government spokesman confirmed it was in “advanced discussions” to procure it. Moderna has agreed to provide the US with 100m doses, with an option to buy 400m more. Japan, Canada, Switzerland, Qatar and Israel have also signed agreements, and the European commission has a “potential purchase agreement” for 80m-160m doses. The UK chose not to participate in the EU vaccine purchase scheme, with the health secretary, Matt Hancock, arguing in July that the government could source a vaccine faster on its own.

                  The Moderna vaccine, which is based on similar mRNA technology as BioNTech’s, is expected to be assessed by the FDA on a final analysis of 151 Covid cases among trial participants who will be followed on average for more than two months.

                  If the results remain as impressive as the trial goes on, the Moderna vaccine could potentially provide a major advantage over the Pfizer vaccine. While Pfizer’s vaccine requires ultracold freezing between -70C and -80C from production facility to patient, Moderna said it had improved the shelf life and stability of its own vaccine, meaning that it can be stored at standard refrigeration temperatures of 2C to 8C for 30 days. It can be stored for six months at -20C for shipping and long-term storage, the company said.

                  At 38 to 45 for a course of two shots, Moderna’s vaccine is more expensive than the other frontrunners. AstraZeneca and Oxford University are aiming to sell their vaccine at about 3 a dose, while vaccines in trial with Johnson and Johnson and a collaboration between Sanofi and GSK are both expected to cost about 8 a dose. Pfizer is charging the US about 30 for a two-shot course. The UK has ordered 40m Pfizer shots but none of the Moderna vaccine.

                  Moderna’s two-shot vaccine injects genetic material called mRNA into the body, which cells then use to churn out the spike protein the virus uses to invade cells. The spike protein covers the surface of the virus and is one of the main targets of the body’s immune response to wipe out the infection.

                  The interim results are based on an analysis of confirmed Covid cases among both placebo and vaccinated arms of the trial, starting two weeks after the second dose is administered.

                  Given the relatively small number of cases analysed there is some statistical uncertainty over the 94.5% figure. But Stephen Evans, professor of pharmacoepidemiology at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, said that based on the numbers released, the efficacy was still likely to be better than 85%.

                  A question mark that remains over the Pfizer vaccine is whether it prevents serious illness. The Moderna results, released by an independent data safety monitoring board, are encouraging on this point. Of 11 participants who developed severe Covid while on the trial, all were in the placebo group. The results also suggest the vaccine is effective in older people and those from diverse ethnic backgrounds.

                  Moderna’s interim analysis includes a safety review of data available so far. The company said it had found no significant safety concerns, with most reactions being mild to moderate and short-lived. Among the side effects reported were injection site pain in 2.7% of trial volunteers after the first jab. After the second, the most significant side effects included fatigue in 9.7%, muscle pain in 9% and joint pain in 5%. Others had headaches, other pains, or redness at the injection site.

                  Prof Trudie Lang, professor of global health research at the University of Oxford, said: “It is very good news indeed to see another vaccine coming through with similar efficacy results as were reported last week from Pfizer.

                  “This is also an interim analysis, which means that there were enough cases within the vaccinated volunteers to give statistical significance and allow the team to break the blind to determine who had the active vaccine and who had placebo.

                  “This is really encouraging and it further demonstrates that a vaccine for Covid is a real probability and that having more than one supplier should help assure better and more equitable global availability.”

                  Peter Openshaw, professor of experimental medicine at Imperial College, London, said the Moderna results were “tremendously exciting” and boosted optimism that a choice of good Covid vaccines would be available in the next few months.

                  He said the inclusion of high-risk and elderly people in the Moderna trial suggested the vaccine would protect those most vulnerable to the disease, while the reported side effects were “what we would expect with a vaccine that is working and inducing a good immune response”.

                  “Moderna have also announced that the vaccine can be kept in a conventional freezer at -20C for up to 6 months, and that once thawed the vaccine can be kept for up to 30 days at standard refrigerator temperatures of 2 to 8C. This makes the vaccine much easier to deliver,” he said.

                  “This announcement adds to the general feeling of optimism about vaccines for Covid-19. What we still don’t know is how long any protective immunity may last. For that, we will need to wait,” he added.
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                  • Ok, this is promising. I'm ready to take my shot when it comes

                    Still, we need more conclusive evidence.
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                    • Originally posted by BeeBoy View Post
                      Well shops are still open? And I doubt it would be worth it with fines, neither would public order offices/Police let that happen. Restaurant get 75% of last year's earnings and can still sell via take away. I doubt it's worth going though any trouble.

                      What you do in private though is totally different. There is so effective way to control that. I'm not really sticking to the one other houshold rule atm and IDGAF because no one cares what you do at work either as long as you still labour. I'm also definitely celebrating christmas with family and new years with friends so
                      Maybe that's one of the reasons for the high cases if no workers are taking precautions and following the guidelines there.

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                      • The UK has successfully procured 5m doses of the Moderna vaccine according to Matt Hancock.

                        This is in addition to the 40m doses of the Pfizer vaccine.

                        Clinically vulnerable people will be prioritised for vaccine.

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                        • That blatant advertisement of non-licensed medicinal products is disturbing
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                          • Originally posted by InFamous View Post

                            Maybe that's one of the reasons for the high cases if no workers are taking precautions and following the guidelines there.
                            In most cases, the workers stick with the hygiene measurements. The main hot spots at the moment seem to be public transport, private meetings and schools. The latter actually have got strict hygiene measurements as well (masks, distancing, airing the classroom and washing hands), but I'm not sure whether every class/teacher sticks with them.
                            Is it offensive to fall in love with you and everything you do
                            and everything you stand for?
                            Could I break through your invisible wall, could I hide my pride for once,
                            just to tell you that I see more?

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                            • Originally posted by theMathematician View Post

                              In most cases, the workers stick with the hygiene measurements. The main hot spots at the moment seem to be public transport, private meetings and schools. The latter actually have got strict hygiene measurements as well (masks, distancing, airing the classroom and washing hands), but I'm not sure whether every class/teacher sticks with them.
                              Seeing as you do not work with these people or in their places you really have no clue what they do, to be honest.

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                              • So is it the same in your countries that a COVID-positive person (patient or just carrier) is able to return back to work 21 days after initial positive diagnosis, irrespective of whether is still positive or not?
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                                • Originally posted by jio View Post
                                  So is it the same in your countries that a COVID-positive person (patient or just carrier) is able to return back to work 21 days after initial positive diagnosis, irrespective of whether is still positive or not?
                                  Here it is two weeks and they basically decide themselves when their "quarantine" period ends. I asked someone who was positive last week if he was retested and then cleared to go back to normal and he was like no no you just do your two weeks and that's it. So basically it is up to yourself, which seems crazy to me. But i guess they do not have the capacity to recheck everyone who tests positive.

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                                  • Originally posted by InFamous View Post

                                    Here it is two weeks and they basically decide themselves when their "quarantine" period ends. I asked someone who was positive last week if he was retested and then cleared to go back to normal and he was like no no you just do your two weeks and that's it. So basically it is up to yourself, which seems crazy to me. But i guess they do not have the capacity to recheck everyone who tests positive.
                                    Well, here you need two negative tests if you wanna leave the quarantine before the 21 days (and after the 14th), 3 days apart or just wait for the 21 days. In Greece it is just 10 days with the last 3 without fever (and without antipyretics too) or other symptoms and then you are good to go. That gives a lot of scope for cheating the system though as it is basically self-monitored.
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                                    • Originally posted by jio View Post
                                      That blatant advertisement of non-licensed medicinal products is disturbing
                                      1 it's a pandemic
                                      2 advertisement to whom? it's not like the average person can purchase one
                                      3 it's a race by dozens of companies, it's only normal the news are coming out by those in the forefront
                                      4 the business deals start before the manufacturing
                                      5 these vaccines have pre-approved trials and rollouts. they set up their goals beforehand
                                      6 all data is still preliminary but if the trends remain, it's good news
                                      7 people welcome all the good news they can get
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                                      • The vaccine is big money and it doesn't surprise me that the vaccine announcement last week has forced other companies to push forward, I hope they are tested adequately. If vaccines are approved quicker than usual, it should be to save lives and get us back to living, not to make money.
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                                        • Originally posted by DnBLover View Post

                                          1 it's a pandemic
                                          2 advertisement to whom? it's not like the average person can purchase one
                                          3 it's a race by dozens of companies, it's only normal the news are coming out by those in the forefront
                                          4 the business deals start before the manufacturing
                                          5 these vaccines have pre-approved trials and rollouts. they set up their goals beforehand
                                          6 all data is still preliminary but if the trends remain, it's good news
                                          7 people welcome all the good news they can get
                                          It is advertisement man. The average person cannot purchase one now yes, but anticipation and popular pressure is built in favor of certain medical products and that creates an obstacle for the regulatory authorities to do their jobs right. I want to remind you that the same happened with hydroxychloroquine where popular pressure built through social media led to France first and then other countries approving the medicine for COV SARS 2 patients, only to find out months later that not only it didn't do anything for the disease but also most likely increased mortality.

                                          The fact that we have a pandemic is reason to be even more observant to well-established rules and not to sideline them
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                                          • Originally posted by jio View Post

                                            Well, here you need two negative tests if you wanna leave the quarantine before the 21 days (and after the 14th), 3 days apart or just wait for the 21 days. In Greece it is just 10 days with the last 3 without fever (and without antipyretics too) or other symptoms and then you are good to go. That gives a lot of scope for cheating the system though as it is basically self-monitored.
                                            yup, i had assumed there would be retesting but clearly not. People are just doing what they want basically and i would say there are some who don't quarantine at all.

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                                            • Originally posted by InFamous View Post

                                              yup, i had assumed there would be retesting but clearly not. People are just doing what they want basically and i would say there are some who don't quarantine at all.
                                              Many people simply don't know what quarantine even means and those ever changing definitions of it don't help at all. When I was on vacation and came back I thot quarantine meant that I should stay at home but could still buy groceries and go for walks in the park. I thot I just had to keep my distance and avoid people. I didn't know you weren't allowed to leave your house at all and had to isolate yourself strictly until the test came back negative. Got lucky I didn't get caught and fined
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                                              • Originally posted by aRat View Post

                                                Many people simply don't know what quarantine even means and those ever changing definitions of it don't help at all. When I was on vacation and came back I thot quarantine meant that I should stay at home but could still buy groceries and go for walks in the park. I thot I just had to keep my distance and avoid people. I didn't know you weren't allowed to leave your house at all and had to isolate yourself strictly until the test came back negative. Got lucky I didn't get caught and fined
                                                Now babygorl i am sure if you really wanted you could have found out exactly what you were supposed to do as opposed to just doing what you think you should have done. I know people who go on holidays into red zones and the next day I see them in the parks and in the shops. It's like bitch do you know the country is shut down cos of people like you not doing what you are supposed to. All the info is available, and info changes all the time, in every aspect of life, especially from government stuff. It is the responsibility of everyone to keep up to date. Simple. Sorry but the I didn't know excuse doesn't wash with me in this situation, we are all adults, there is no excuse for not knowing.

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                                                • Honestly, I only trust the German vaccine... bc I know that - if anything - it will cause no harm.
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                                                  • Originally posted by stevyy View Post
                                                    Honestly, I only trust the German vaccine... bc I know that - if anything - it will cause no harm.
                                                    I thought you had renounced Germany and everything within it.

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