Coronavirus outbreak

[InFamous]

omg!!! this irresponsible government prioritises what their hardcore voters want and choose to ignore the scientists. Freedom Day is such a stupid name, they really don't get the pandemic is not over yet? We can still have open businesses while keeping social distancing, and wearing masks in indoor settings. Why is it so difficult to implement? It's not like people in UK were strictly following the guidelines... Basically, England never had enforced strict measures...

This was the same in every country or at least most.I feel things were strict for a few weeks at most. That is why I really have to laugh when I see people lamenting over the so called "lockdowns "

[theMathematician]

The RKI (German institute that supervises the whole pandemic) suggests no longer looking at the incidence rate but the hospitality rate for the case of possible measurements due to the fact that most infected people no longer experience heavy cases as the risky population is mostly vaccinated. Is it a good decision?

[stevyy]

The RKI (German institute that supervises the whole pandemic) suggests no longer looking at the incidence rate but the hospitality rate for the case of possible measurements due to the fact that most infected people no longer experience heavy cases as the risky population is mostly vaccinated. Is it a good decision?

I would support this in a few months when more people are fully vaccinated... right now... no school child has any chance of getting vaccinated... well not the younger ones anyway... and in regards to schools and of course long-covid this could be a dangerous path.

[stevyy]

BTW Germany is on the way to exponential growth again... yesterday, +53% in comparison to the day before. (Sat / Fri).

[theMathematician]

Don't worry, stevyy, everything will end up fine !

[greek_boy]

This was the same in every country or at least most.I feel things were strict for a few weeks at most. That is why I really have to laugh when I see people lamenting over the so called "lockdowns "

I agree about the 'lockdown' being used for freely when in fact it wasn't a lockdown (remember China's lockdown? lol).

And no it wasn't the same in every country. Greece had a strict lockdown with curfews, hefty fines and masks everywhere, plus no travelling between regions. I think France too. I also remember Spain had a very strict lockdown during the first wave while here in England we could just go out without masks.

[InFamous]

I agree about the 'lockdown' being used for freely when in fact it wasn't a lockdown (remember China's lockdown? lol).

And no it wasn't the same in every country. Greece had a strict lockdown with curfews, hefty fines and masks everywhere, plus no travelling between regions. I think France too. I also remember Spain had a very strict lockdown during the first wave while here in England we could just go out without masks.

Yeah France and Spain was pretty strict for a time. Spain especially. People were literally just let out for an hour to shop! I didn't really know much about Greece so thanks for that info.

[InFamous]

BTW Germany is on the way to exponential growth again... yesterday, +53% in comparison to the day before. (Sat / Fri).

Delta wave incoming I fear.

[Parkelife]

From the new Health Secretary UK, if things are not good in September, could be a return to many restrictions or even lockdowns to help the NHS.
thats what I'm taking from this.

Restrictions to be reviewed in September


The health secretary says he has set out a “balanced” approach to relaxing restrictions.

He says he has been very open about the risks involved, and there is no “risk-free way forward” but he says the ongoing restrictions “are not without cost”.

Javid says 19 July is a “very significant step forward” on England’s roadmap and he says there will be a review in September to make sure “we are properly set up for autumn and winter”.

[theMathematician]

From the new Health Secretary UK, if things are not good in September, could be a return to many restrictions or even lockdowns to help the NHS.
thats what I'm taking from this.

Are you referring to the text below? I don't interpret it that way.

[SholasBoy]

Well what happened to these listings being “irreversible” ? Businesses can’t cope with the uncertainty and they will have an uphill struggle returning to restrictions when they’re lifted now, people just won’t do it.

[Parkelife]

Well what happened to these listings being “irreversible” ? Businesses can’t cope with the uncertainty and they will have an uphill struggle returning to restrictions when they’re lifted now, people just won’t do it.

Boris just said, he hopes it will be irreversible, thats what the government are saying now about lockdowns.

[Artoo]

Why you have the health minister doing a parliamentary announcement hours before the prime minister is due to address the nation saying the same thing I’ll never know, but fingers crossed it’s all over and done with now. I’m not convinced, but no point having a glass half empty when you could one that’s half full.

[KEY9481]

New measures to be announced tonight in France by Macron.
Rumoured to be mandatory vaccination for health workers, sanitary pass mandatory for public places such as cinemas, theatres, museums, restaurants.

[theMathematician]

Are mandatory vaccinations legal in your country? In my country, the health minister said multiple times that he's against a mandatory vaccination. On the other hand, there is a recent one for children against measles, and the politicians may justify mandatory vaccination with that precious decision.

[greek_boy]

Boris just said, he hopes it will be irreversible, thats what the government are saying now about lockdowns.

He's clueless, he's gambling with our lives and the future of many businesses (well he destroyed all the small businesses by signing that awful Brexit deal). Let's not forget his plan for herd immunity back in March 2020 that lead to thousands of deaths.

[InFamous]

Well what happened to these listings being “irreversible” ? Businesses can’t cope with the uncertainty and they will have an uphill struggle returning to restrictions when they’re lifted now, people just won’t do it.

Don't want to be argumentative ( really) but I feel peope have been saying this for the last 15 months yet most people have done exactly as they were asked to do when asked to, by their governments.

The basic mistake the government made was to EVER tell people that on a predefined date that all measures could be lifted and normality could be resumed. The whole "freedom day" narrative was completely misplaced and frankly stupid beyond belief. But then this came from the man whose first response to Covid was to " take it on the chin and let it spread through society and see what happens " so can we be really surprised.

[InFamous]

Meanwhile the Dutch prime minister has apologized for the grave error he made in removing all COVID restrictions as numbers have rocketed to record levels.

Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte admitted today his government made a mistake by easing a raft of measures to combat Covid-19, apologising as daily infection rates rocketed to peak levels.

Mr Rutte and Health Minister Hugo de Jonge on Friday reimposed a number of restrictions including closing nightclubs as the highly-infectious Delta variant took hold, particularly among young people.

"A judgement error was made. What we thought we could allow, we could actually not," Mr Rutte said in The Hague.

"We are upset about it and we apologise," he told reporters.

More than 9,300 people tested positive on Sunday as opposed to 500 just two weeks ago, with the country reporting its highest daily numbers since December last year.

[InFamous]

Finally, lockdown looks set to be extended in Sydney as cases have been at record highs for three days now as the Delta variant is causing problems there.

The prospect of an extended lockdown in Sydney loomed as Australian health officials reported yet another record daily rise in Covid-19 cases for the year, fuelled by the highly infectious Delta variant.

New South Wales state reported 112 new locally transmitted Covid-19 cases, almost all of them in Sydney.

Case numbers have been at record levels for at least three days.

[stevyy]

I am pro mandatory vaccinations. People who will not comply, should not be able to enjoy certain freedoms.

[InFamous]

I am pro mandatory vaccinations. People who will not comply, should not be able to enjoy certain freedoms.

Co-sign.

IT is heading in that direction anyway !

[stevyy]

Co-sign.

IT is heading in that direction anyway !

However, the far right is only waiting for one more thing to rile up the population... mandatory vaccinations could become THE political thing which they need in order to destroy liberal democracy.

[theMathematician]

What's the goal of the Australian lockdown? In other words: What does need to happen to end the lockdown there?

I'm against mandatory vaccination, but if it ever happened, it should happen in a very transparent way.
Which means:
1. Politicians shouldn't deny mandatory vaccination vehemently at first, then introduce them regardless.
2. Politicians shouldn't deny mandatory vaccination but limit many public life activities to vaccinated people only as that's a sneaky way to introduce an indirect mandatory vaccination basically.

[stevyy]

What's the goal of the Australian lockdown? In other words: What does need to happen to end the lockdown there?

I'm against mandatory vaccination, but if it ever happened, it should happen in a very transparent way.
Which means:
1. Politicians shouldn't deny mandatory vaccination vehemently at first, then introduce them regardless.
2. Politicians shouldn't deny mandatory vaccination but limit many public life activities to vaccinated people only as that's a sneaky way to introduce an indirect mandatory vaccination basically.

People who won't let themselves get vaxxed without any health causes... should be publicly shamed like in GoT.

[theMathematician]

This is some Nazi method you're talking about here. Not sure whether I'd like to read something like that from someone with your profession.