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  • #51
    ^ The way Bruno was treated was an absolute disgrace - he was literally bullied out of the industry. But of course no one cares about that. He would have been better off to have lost that Grammy for AOTY.

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    • #52
      Originally posted by menime123 View Post
      I cannot support the rewriting of history because it supports the current narrative of Britney as a victim. Britney went from a star to an ICON after breaking with Justin - because of her work, not because Justin said they had sex.

      Justin has never once said she cheated on him. Justin has never said anything negative about her at all, and frankly, there is nothing wrong with him saying they had sex - it’s his life and his truth as much as hers, and the whole virgin thing was always going to bite her in the ass, especially when she lost her virginity pre-fame (as per her Mother’s book).


      Is there any truth to this Twitter thread? If so, it isn't re-writing history, surely?

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      • #53
        He said he had sex with her. How is that slut shaming exactly ? She is the one who lied to the media and claimed she was a virgin. Plus its common knowledge that she cheated with Wade Robson. What exactly did he do ? Write a song about his experiences ? Cos an artist has never done that before ..

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        • #54
          Originally posted by Wayne View Post



          Is there any truth to this Twitter thread? If so, it isn't re-writing history, surely?
          It is writing history when you change the context. People are retrospectively looking for ways to allocate blame to people for Britney’s situation and that was never something placed on Justin’s shoulders until she was in her conservatorship.

          I do believe her problems started when she split with him, but I don’t believe he contributed. I do believe he was the great love of her life and that in trying to replace him, she found Kevin and that’s when things really went wrong.

          I’ve seen the things in that Twitter thread over the years and I don’t believe it’s slut-shaming her. Justin has his own life and his own truth and experiences that he is allowed to comment on - are we so puritanical that a man is now not allowed to say he had sex with someone?

          Speaking about having sex with her is not shaming her. He also did not take her virginity - if he believes he did, that’s another lie she created because her mother said she lost it when she was 14 (a year after she started drinking - also confirmed by her mother).

          Justin has been complimentary about Britney many times on multiple occasions over the last 20 years, but people focus on the negatives because it supports the narrative they’re trying to promote that Britney has been a victim since childhood, used and abused by those in her life.
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          • #55
            Originally posted by InFamous View Post
            ^ The way Bruno was treated was an absolute disgrace - he was literally bullied out of the industry. But of course no one cares about that. He would have been better off to have lost that Grammy for AOTY.
            What happened to Bruno???
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            • #56
              Originally posted by jio View Post

              What happened to Bruno???
              You can google it. He got truckloads of hate after his Grammy win from people claiming he was "appropriating" and has basically left the industry over it.

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              • #57
                Originally posted by InFamous View Post
                He said he had sex with her. How is that slut shaming exactly ? She is the one who lied to the media and claimed she was a virgin. Plus its common knowledge that she cheated with Wade Robson. What exactly did he do ? Write a song about his experiences ? Cos an artist has never done that before ..
                You keep saying that it’s common knowledge that Britney cheated on him but at the same time you said that fans on here recently told you about it. Also the entire Britney cheated on him narrative has its origin in trash tabloids and we have been discussing their credibility and behavior towards Britney lately. Is InTouch magazine where you get all your "knowledge" from?

                A large group of people and most importantly Justin felt like he needed to apologize yet 3 or 4 people on UKMix are still trying to be edgy, quirky and different in here. Let it go the apology is on his Instagram lol.
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                • #58
                  Originally posted by JeremySpears View Post

                  You keep saying that it’s common knowledge that Britney cheated on him but at the same time you said that fans on here recently told you about it. Also the entire Britney cheated on him narrative has its origin in trash tabloids and we have been discussing their credibility and behavior towards Britney lately. Is InTouch magazine where you get all your "knowledge" from?

                  A large group of people and most importantly Justin felt like he needed to apologize yet 3 or 4 people on UKMix are still trying to be edgy, quirky and different in here. Let it go the apology is on his Instagram lol.
                  She did cheat on him lol. She also lied about being a virgin. She put Justin in a terrible position where he was getting slated for being the pu**y that couldn't sleep with his girlfriend. Britney was no angel herself. In fact, I think she should apologize for lying to the world and presenting herself as this pure virginal angel when according to her mother she lost her virginity when she was 14.
                  Take off the stan glasses.

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                  • #59
                    Originally posted by InFamous View Post

                    You can google it. He got truckloads of hate after his Grammy win from people claiming he was "appropriating" and has basically left the industry over it.
                    He had a Vegas residency lined up for 2020 and is working on a new album though?
                    "I see it, I like it, I want it... I GOT IT."

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                    • #60
                      Originally posted by Noahh View Post

                      He had a Vegas residency lined up for 2020 and is working on a new album though?
                      Good to hear he is planning to comeback, but it doesn't change the disgraceful way he was treated post Grammys.

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                      • #61
                        Cultural appropriation? Hmmm, ok.
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                        • #62
                          Originally posted by InFamous View Post

                          Good to hear he is planning to comeback, but it doesn't change the disgraceful way he was treated post Grammys.
                          I don’t think he ever really left the industry. He was performing until early 2020 when COVID hit and has been working on a new album for quite some time.

                          Also many black artists came to his defense.
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                          "I see it, I like it, I want it... I GOT IT."

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                          • #63
                            Originally posted by barney1814 View Post

                            What responsibility should he take? He was 22 and got his heart broken, of course he was going to be angry, who wouldn’t be.

                            Justin owes nobody anything, you could say every White male benefits from our current society, should we all continually apologize for the colour of our skin/Being afforded options or should we just be good people and pay it forward.
                            I don't care how old he was. I'm referring to his statement. Saying he's only benefitting from it implies a passivity on his part and it shows no understanding of the power dynamics he's a part of. Words matter and I don't think he's figured that out yet

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                            • #64
                              Originally posted by JeremySpears View Post

                              You keep saying that it’s common knowledge that Britney cheated on him but at the same time you said that fans on here recently told you about it. Also the entire Britney cheated on him narrative has its origin in trash tabloids and we have been discussing their credibility and behavior towards Britney lately. Is InTouch magazine where you get all your "knowledge" from?

                              A large group of people and most importantly Justin felt like he needed to apologize yet 3 or 4 people on UKMix are still trying to be edgy, quirky and different in here. Let it go the apology is on his Instagram lol.
                              *sips tea*


                              'common knowledge' 'neither of them have admitted it' 'I only found out recently' 'she did cheat on him' pick a lie sis. Show me the proof.
                              It's just a fling baby, fling baby, nothing more than a fling baby, fling baby.

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                              • #65
                                Originally posted by BehindBreakaway View Post

                                *sips tea*


                                'common knowledge' 'neither of them have admitted it' 'I only found out recently' 'she did cheat on him' pick a lie sis. Show me the proof.
                                My weakness caused you pain
                                And this songs my sorry.

                                Hope you didn't burn your tongue on that tea.

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                                • #66
                                  Originally posted by InFamous View Post

                                  My weakness caused you pain
                                  And this songs my sorry.

                                  Hope you didn't burn your tongue on that tea.
                                  Oh see I thought you meant actual proof when really you meant a lyric. I see........
                                  It's just a fling baby, fling baby, nothing more than a fling baby, fling baby.

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                                  • #67
                                    Originally posted by BehindBreakaway View Post

                                    Oh see I thought you meant actual proof when really you meant a lyric. I see........
                                    Do you think I have a used condom from Wade or something to show you? Grow up..

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                                    • #68
                                      Originally posted by InFamous View Post

                                      Do you think I have a used condom from Wade or something to show you? Grow up..
                                      You said. It's common knowledge. Therefore there must be some proof. Otherwise as I said. It's just widely speculated. That doesn't make it fact. Yet you keep presenting it as fact.
                                      It's just a fling baby, fling baby, nothing more than a fling baby, fling baby.

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                                      • #69
                                        Originally posted by BehindBreakaway View Post

                                        You said. It's common knowledge. Therefore there must be some proof. Otherwise as I said. It's just widely speculated. That doesn't make it fact. Yet you keep presenting it as fact.
                                        Like the way Britney stans present everything they say about Justin as fact. This isn't Exhale, this is UK mix and not everyone is going to blindly agree with everything pro Britney. Learn to respect and handle opinions and viewpoints contrary to your own. Also I'm not the only person saying she cheated, many people have, including some of her biggest stans so go and attack them

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                                        • #70
                                          Originally posted by InFamous View Post

                                          Like the way Britney stans present everything they say about Justin as fact. This isn't Exhale, this is UK mix and not everyone is going to blindly agree with everything pro Britney. Learn to respect and handle opinions and viewpoints contrary to your own. Also I'm not the only person saying she cheated, many people have, including some of her biggest stans so go and attack them
                                          With all due respect. You telling me to 'learn to respect and handle opinions' is a bit of a joke seeing as you just told me to grow up because you disagreed with mine.
                                          It's just a fling baby, fling baby, nothing more than a fling baby, fling baby.

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                                          • #71
                                            Originally posted by BehindBreakaway View Post

                                            With all due respect. You telling me to 'learn to respect and handle opinions' is a bit of a joke seeing as you just told me to grow up because you disagreed with mine.
                                            No I am telling you to grow up because you are asking me to provide you PROOF that Britney cheated knowing full well that I cannot do that so don't act slick. You came in here just to take shots at me with your sips tea rubbish so spare me the victim act. Move on please.

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                                            • #72
                                              Originally posted by InFamous View Post

                                              No I am telling you to grow up because you are asking me to provide you PROOF that Britney cheated knowing full well that I cannot do that so don't act slick. You came in here just to take shots at me with your sips tea rubbish so spare me the victim act. Move on please.
                                              It's quite simple if you can't provide proof stop pretending it's the truth.
                                              It's just a fling baby, fling baby, nothing more than a fling baby, fling baby.

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                                              • #73
                                                Originally posted by BehindBreakaway View Post

                                                It's quite simple if you can't provide proof stop pretending it's the truth.
                                                Neither you or any of the Justin haters can provide definitive proof for any of the claims you are making either so I guess you all should zip it too then.

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                                                • #74
                                                  Cheating has nothing to do with tthe issue at hand, or his apology. It is about how society as a whole dealt and framed Britney throughout her career, which can indeed be related to sexism. Applied to Justin, It is about how he consciousy and (mostly) unconsciously 'used' women to his advantage in a system that automatically 'privileges' him. That is what it is about, and this is true but it is also hard and complex to retroactively apply this to an 'individual', as times have changed so much in comparison with even a decade ago. It is not always fair to punish people constantly for things they were not even aware of themselves. Most of you were also not aware of this ten years ago, hence the changing times. Some of you even supported this framing, I am brave enough to admit that about myself. I did not know better. This realization is where these movements strive for, and that is only positive.

                                                  The issue is that these movements are inspired by critical theory (critical feminist, critical race, etc.), which are structural determinstic readings of our society. Their main goal is to provide a different perspective, a different way of looking at things, different than the way we are socialized. It shows that our 'normal' discriminates. All true and factual, and still is (there are still gender inequalities for example). Their main political goal is to change structures, and they believe these structures will change individuals. There are different positionalities to achieve that: a radical evolution or incremental change for example. The oldest type of these theories is Marxism, Marx himself was not per se a radical, he was more inclined to a process of change (from socialism to communism, not from capitalism to communism). A lot of Marxists and neomarxists mobilized this theory to strive for radical change. I'm not inclined to follow this, cause it is just not how individuals and societies work, and we all know how communism panned out (although this has to do with a lot of other factors). Anyway...

                                                  The issue is that people mistakingly conflate notions, ideas, and create these one-on-one relationships where they have no place. Blaming everything on white heterosexual men is really problematic and creates the resistance and conflicts we see all around us. These issues are so complex, yet nobody really takes times to look at things as they are and make a balanced analysis, cause also the white heterosexual men can be an ally while at the same time perpetuate inequality/the system. Same goes for capitalism: I'm not pro capitalism, yet by my behaviour I do my part in perpetuating this system. It is almost impossible not to. Same with environmentalism and so on.

                                                  It is as old as I don't know what, I use these theories all day in my work but inherently they have a lot of issues with making a systematic connection with empirical reality (our daily lives), cause if you wear this lense to analyse something you create a lot of blind spots, which is fine in science, cause you can only analyze something rigorously from a certain theoretical perspetive, but it is super dangerous to apply in our daily lives. Our lives are more complex than a theory or a perspective, it's where everything comes together. This is not to say there is no truth in it (And it is about F time this awareness is growing (!)), of course there is, I advocate for them in science every day but it appears they have to come with a 'handbook' in politics cause the misconceptions and misinterpretations are all over the place. What is even more funny is that one of the first books of critical race theory warns about just that: it is written by a black scholar where he recalls a story of one of his black PhD students who was not able to finish her work due to whatever reason, and she tells him that it was because of racism, whereas he completely disagreed and says it is because of x and y. He was afraid these theories would be abused and therefore miss their goal.

                                                  Critical theories show tendencies not causal relationships, racism is the system/ideology that advances white people over people of colour, but it does not mean that people of colour cannot perpetuate this system, nor does it mean that every inequal racial 'happening' is racism (Same goes for sexism but applied to gender identities, like men/women). Institutional racism shows in equalities in different societal domains, it is a theory that points to unequal outcomes of an INSTITUTION not an individual. BLM is heavily inspired by these theories, and they are absolutely in their right (and we are obliged to listen as far as im conderned) to signalize all these inequalities, cause structurally things have to change if we truly want racial equity. Slavery in the US still plays a role in very subtle and sometimes very explicit ways. But also within BLM there are also different opinions on how to achieve this, there is also a lot of internal critique. BLM is an activist movement, it is more about strategies on how to achieve this recognized history and current consequences rather than analyzing it.

                                                  This is true for all -isms. They colour our daily interactions, they colour our focus. Colonialism makes a lot of West-European civilians blind to see how current inequalities are related to the past, that's why these counterstories of people of colour are so necessary. Cause in the West we tend to believe in meritocracy, in individual responsibility,... yet this is a myth when your whole system is made to advantage 'you'. It's not because colonialism was ended 'in law' that it left our mind and the way we act and interpret things (neocolonialism is still even in law). These theories and studies are about pointing to this. They are all about these analyses. Yet this does not mean that everything that happens to people of colour with ties to former colonies are the 'fault' of individual western people, but yes they are always coloured by the system of how we see things: that's why 'the racialized other' tends to be approached as 'backwards' (the old idea of 'savages'), because of this system. The system protects white people of seeing the role of 'their' own system and by default their own role (as they have internalized this system) in this. That's why decolonialism wants to point attention to our white 'curricula' etc. as a white ethnic Flemish person I did not realize this ten years ago, not at all, now I can see this in a better manner, helped by these perspectives, by these counterstories.
                                                  A concrete example of my own work: in Flanders there is a headgear ban for Muslims in most schools, but not in all schools. For ethnic Flemish persons this is usually 'normal', cause religion is 'backwards' (and especially the Islam), due to the system of Cultural Racism towards Muslims 'we' tend to forget that this whole policy grew out of racist notions against the Islam (or Islamophia, this is semantics). So when I ask a teacher about this they cannot understand why Muslim women might find this racist because they 'choose' for this school out of free will, selectively forgetting that the next school where this is allowed is an hour away. These tendencies create inequalities in society cause some of them will feel like their religion is not accepted in the society they live or were even born in. But how this can result in an individual inequality differs from indivual to individual, but it is true this policy can be framed as a 'racist policy' that disadvantages certain ethnic-racial groups. There are other policies like this and of course racist incidents in schools themselves, but there is also 'poverty' (most ethnic minority groups in belgium are part of the lower SES-class), etc. which all result in the biggest ethnic educational inequality in Europe. BUT this ethnic inequality cannot solely be explained by this racist system, also other factors play a role (like poverty, differences in schools, individual differences, etc.). Ethnic inequality does not equal racism, nor does gender inequality equal sexism. These are two different but interrelated social phenomena.

                                                  To apply to Britney: of course she felt victim to sexism, but that does not mean her whole life was determined because of it (that means you are not recognizing her as an agent of her own life, by which you do exactly the same thing you are critiquing). Not everything can be reduced to sexism, not even when it comes to Justin and Britney, yet sexism was always there, it coloured and framed a lot of what happened in her disadvantage, simply because she was a woman. Most of this, but not all (!), happens unconsciously or without choice because the 'system' is in us. Hence, positive discrimination or restorations: it is all about POWER imbalances, it is about restoring this imbalance so that our system becomes more equitable and less blind. Some things 'only' people of colour can see and understand because they lived it, same goes for women, people with disabilities, sexual minorities, etc. That's why it is so important they become part of the higher echelons of institutions. So these imbalances be restored. Sadly this is a very slow process, and most of us wont be here anymore when that happens.

                                                  This is also why reverse sexism or reverse racism or reverse whatever does NOT exist, but 'discriminating' whites and men does exist but the consequences and impact are significantly different. Racial discrimination is something 'interpersonal', Racism is a system/an ideology. Nobody grows up internalizing the idea that whites are for example the 'substandard' race, but that does not mean a white person cannot be discriminated by his/her skin colour. Yet these are isolated cases, and they hardly have any effect, whereas discrimination towards people of colour is way more common cause we all, even people of colour, grew up with the idea whites, are the superior race (I mean look at old or even current (but then it becomes more complex, that's for another essay ;)) disney movies). When I was young nobody told me explicitly 'whites' are superior, the system told me this a lot of different ways (texts, movies, white everyday talk, beauty standards, and so on). That's why discrimination towards POC is more problematic, because it adds to pre-existing (subtle, and explicit in the case of white supremacists) ways of discriminating, prejudicing and stereotyping of POC. Hence, sentences like 'all whites are racist'. Theoretically this is true, yet we can question of this is a fruitful manner to advance an agenda of racial equity (this is when we come into the domain of activism), since most people don't even know what 'racism' really is. People have their own ideas resulting in the conviction they are not 'racist' so they ought not to play a role in this, yet we all have to if we want to change it.
                                                  Last edited by Michiel; Sun February 14, 2021, 19:28.
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                                                  • #75
                                                    Michiel, you're probably one of the most intelligent users on here and your inputs regarding social studies are sublime. However, I have to admit that some of the posts in that context are very long, so it would be great if you added some kind of summary, which may help when we're interested in your thoughts but have time limits.
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                                                    But I think I'll stay.
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