U.K. Politics: Boris Johnson referred to police (AGAIN) over potential Covid rule breaches

[samra]

Theresa better watch out!

DUP Politician Once Caught Rihanna Running Through His Wheat Field



I hope he snatches her like he did Rih!

[Rihab]

Theresa better watch out!

DUP Politician Once Caught Rihanna Running Through His Wheat Field



I hope he snatches her like he did Rih!

Rih's career survived, but will Theresa's?

[Theodorerichert]

^I'm really learning a lot from this "scandal". I had no idea that running through a wheat field could incur such wrath. I have lived near hay fields and corn fields my entire life and it is considered quite acceptable to take a little stroll through them. Just so long as you don't trample down the corn stalks.

Does anyone know if it does more damage to walk in a wheat field than a hay field?

[Biebz]

https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/874302566682767360

Mess

[heppolo]

^Ruth Davidson must be extremely happy about that DUP alliance herself

[Wayne]

Lib Dems leader Tim Farron has resigned. The BBC writes...

Tim Farron has stepped down as leader of the Liberal Democrats after the general election.

In a statement, he said he was "torn between living as a faithful Christian and serving as a political leader".

He said he should have dealt "more wisely" with questions relating to his faith during the election campaign, including his views on gay sex.

He insisted he had taken the decision voluntarily and he retained the support of his party.

[heppolo]

^It may sound controversial, but Lid Dems should pick Layla Moran over Jo Swinson or any other candidate for the leadership

[matthew_dixon]

^It may sound controversial, but Lid Dems should pick Layla Moran over Jo Swinson or any other candidate for the leadership

Why, out of interest? She's only been an MP a matter of days - does she have the experience to lead a major political party?

I'm really sorry to see Tim go - but I understand why he did. Simple fact is that deep down he is an evangelical Christian who believes that biblical teaching is that gay sex is a sin. To say that as the leader of a party that claims to be "liberal" would be political suicide. To say otherwise, as he did, was a blatant lie and a betrayal of his faith. The facts are simple - whilst he holds evangelical Christian views, those have not influenced the fact that he has voted for equal rights all the way through, whether or not he agrees they are morally right according to his religious viewpoint.

I'm a liberal myself - and a Christian as well. My own Christian views are from the liberal end of the church - so I don't share his view that gay sex is a sin. However, as a liberal - both in political and religious contexts - I feel it's fundamentally important that someone shouldn't be discriminated against because of their religious beliefs. Tim should have been judged on his political viewpoint, and on how he voted in parliament - but sadly the media, and the public, wanted to judge him on and for his faith.

Regarding a successor - for me once you've eliminated those that are too new (Wera Hobhouse, Christine Jardine, Layla Moran and Jamie Stone), too old (Vince Cable), just stepped down (Tim Farron) or too far north to be prepared to stand (Alistair Carmichael), you're left with five MPs. Ed Davey and Norman Lamb are nice enough guys but neither is someone I could see as a particularly charismatic leader. Tom Brake and Stephen Lloyd are really popular constituency MPs but whether they'd have national appeal I don't know. Jo Swinson is someone who was incredibly popular and frankly incredibly unlucky to be caught in the SNP surge. She lost her seat in 2015 when there was a huge swing against the Liberal Democrats nationally, and huge swing to the SNP in Scotland. However, she lost her seat whilst only losing 2.4% of the vote share and increasing her number of votes. The SNP won the seat by nicking most of the Labour votes - they couldn't make headway into her support at all really. If we're wanting a clean break from Tim Farron's views that "gay sex is a sin", who better than the equalities minister who brought in the legalisation of same-sex marriage? She was considered a rising star then, and now she's back, I think she is the right person to lead the party going forward.

[heppolo]

^It may sound controversial, but Lid Dems should pick Layla Moran over Jo Swinson or any other candidate for the leadership

Why, out of interest? She's only been an MP a matter of days - does she have the experience to lead a major political party?.

Identity politics and she's the most good-looking choice and the politics have now reached the childish level when pretty/charming/good-looking politicians can get away with a lot, others are just un-charismatic

[heppolo]

Why tf are people protesting for Theresa May's resignation? What do they want - another conservative PM we didn't vote for?

People want BoJo.

[Wayne]

Why tf are people protesting for Theresa May's resignation? What do they want - another conservative PM we didn't vote for?

Lefties are calling for it - no one else.

I recognise her shortcomings and the improvements she needs to make but I also recognise that a change in PM now would be a disaster.

[matthew_dixon]

^It may sound controversial, but Lid Dems should pick Layla Moran over Jo Swinson or any other candidate for the leadership

Why, out of interest? She's only been an MP a matter of days - does she have the experience to lead a major political party?.

Identity politics and she's the most good-looking choice and the politics have now reached the childish level when pretty/charming/good-looking politicians can get away with a lot, others are just un-charismatic

Hmmm - by identity politics do you mean the fact she's Palestinian? Might help get some demographics and alienate others a bit. If you're talking looks helping win elections, I wouldn't put Layla Moran particularly above Jo Swinson. Interestingly a poll of Lib Dem members put out of the entire set of 11 candidates, Jo Swinson getting over 50% of the votes. If she chooses not to stand, then the others that got the most votes in the poll were (in order I believe) Vince Cable, Norman Lamb, Ed Davey and interestingly your girl Layla Moran - even though she's new and folks like Stephen Lloyd aren't.

[heppolo]

I want Lib Dems to get back on track again, Jo Swinson is an alright choice, I am only against sticking to the old guns like Vince Cable.

[matthew_dixon]

Well, latest news today is that Vince Cable is standing for leader, and that following Jo Swinson (and Alistair Carmichael and Tom Brake), Layla Moran has ruled herself out.

Personally, I'd be very happy with Vince as leader and Jo as deputy, with Jo taking over in a couple of years when Vince finally decides it might be time to put his feet up (he's only 74 after all!)

[flopho]

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[Wayne]

Labour - i.e. Corbyn - tabled a vote on reviewing the public sector pay gap and making an amendment to the Queen's Speech. And they - he - were defeated as the House of Commons voted 329 to 309 against Corbyn's plan.

[Wayne]

MP Anne Marie Morris suspended for racist remark

A Conservative MP has been suspended from the party after it emerged she used a racist expression during a public discussion about Brexit.

Anne Marie Morris, the MP for Newton Abbott, used the phrase at an event in London to describe the prospect of the UK leaving the EU without a deal.

She told the BBC: "The comment was totally unintentional. I apologise unreservedly for any offence caused."

The Conservative Party later confirmed she had had the whip withdrawn.

Announcing the suspension, Theresa May said she was "shocked" by the "completely unacceptable" language.

"I immediately asked the Chief Whip to suspend the party whip," she said in a statement. "Language like this has absolutely no place in politics or in today's society."

The BBC understands the prime minister and the Conservative Chief Whip, Gavin Williamson, were expected to meet to discuss the matter once Mrs May finished her Commons statement on last weekend's G20 summit earlier on Monday.

A Conservative spokesman said: "We are aware of these reports. This kind of language is completely unacceptable, and we are urgently investigating."

According to a recording published on the Huffington Post website, Ms Morris was discussing the impact of Brexit on the UK's financial services industry at an event organised by the Politeia think tank, which was attended by other Conservative MPs.

Suggesting that just 7% of financial services would be affected by Brexit, she reportedly said: "Now I am sure there will be many people who will challenge that but my response and my request is look at the detail - it isn't all doom and gloom."

She went on: "Now we get to the real nigger in the woodpile, which is in two years what happens if there is no deal."

The phrase originated in the American Deep South in the mid-19th Century and is thought to have referred to slaves having to conceal themselves as they sought to flee north and secure their freedom.

It was subsequently used in the 20th Century - including by a number of leading novelists - as a metaphor to describe a hidden fact or problem.

The Lib Dems had called on Theresa May to withdraw the whip from Ms Morris, who was first elected to Parliament in 2010 and was subsequently re-elected in 2015 and earlier this year.

Leader Tim Farron said he was "shocked" and called for her to be suspended from the parliamentary party.
"This disgusting comment belongs in the era of the Jim Crow laws and has no place in our Parliament," he said.

Labour's Andrew Gwynne urged Mrs May to "act immediately" in response to what he said was "outrageous and completely unacceptable" language.

Green Party leader Caroline Lucas said there was "no place for racism, full stop" in British politics and Ms Morris should have the whip removed.

Ms Morris was also criticised by Tory colleagues, one of whom, Heidi Allen, tweeted: "I'm afraid an apology is not good enough - we must show zero tolerance for racism. MPs must lead by example."

In 2008, Conservative peer and party spokesman Lord Dixon-Smith apologised for using the same phrase in the House of Lords, saying that it was not appropriate and that he had "left his brains behind". The peer was not dismissed.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40555639

[heppolo]

^After that suspension, she may have a potential to join UKIP and even replace their leader.

[heppolo]

No one is willing to give Theresa a break, even a romanian journalist
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[Wayne]

'Hard' Brexit offers '£135bn annual boost' to economy

Removing all trade tariffs and barriers would help generate an annual £135bn uplift to the UK economy, according to a group of pro-Brexit economists.

A "hard" Brexit is "economically much superior to soft" argues Prof Patrick Minford, lead author of a report from Economists for Free Trade.

He says eliminating tariffs, either within free trade deals or unilaterally, would deliver huge gains.

Other economists say cutting barriers sets off a "race to the bottom".

Economist Monique Ebell from the National Institute of Social and Economic Research (NIESR) says Prof Minford "ignores decades of evidence on how trade actually works".

Ms Ebell's own research showed that if the UK left the single market but made unilateral trade deals with major developing economies and the Anglosphere, it would only claw back about one-third of the 20-30% reduction in lost total trade by leaving the EU.

Ms Ebell says many of the trade barriers that Prof Minford argues to be removed are subtle, non-tariff barriers, such as agreed common standards.

Campaigners against a hard Brexit said the plan amounts to "economic suicide".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40972776

[heppolo]

a group of pro-Brexit economists

I suppose the inevitable mismatch between the capabilities and expectations is underestimated by those economists.

[Wayne]

Brexit: UK to be 'educated' about consequences, says Barnier

The EU's Brexit negotiator has said he sees the process as an opportunity to "teach the British people and others what leaving the EU means".

Michel Barnier said he would never resort to blackmail but saw it as his job to "educate" the UK about the price it would pay for leaving the EU "club".

The UK has hit back, saying the EU does "not want to talk about the future".

Brexit Secretary David Davis said it was "frightened" and the UK would not be bounced into a divorce bill deal.

The latest salvos come after a week of talks in Brussels about the UK's withdrawal from the EU - scheduled to take place in March 2019 - which increased tensions between the two sides.

The EU suggested little substantive progress had been made on three key "separation" issues, the size of the UK's financial liabilities to the EU, the future of the Irish border and citizens' rights after Brexit.

Mr Barnier accused the UK of "nostalgia" and cast doubt on whether enough progress had been made to broaden the discussions, in the autumn, to consider the UK's post-Brexit trading relationship with the EU.

This led to a frosty response from British ministers, one of whom, International Trade Secretary Liam Fox, said the UK would not be blackmailed into doing a deal on money in order to open discussions on trade.

'Serious consequences'

Speaking at a conference in Italy on Saturday, Mr Barnier said he did not want to punish the UK for leaving but said Brexit would be "an educational process" for the British.

"I have a state of mind - not aggressive... but I'm not naïve," he told the Ambrosetti forum.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41140564

Yes Michel Barnier - PLEASE educate us, I beg of you. This ignorance is something I shan't miss - still not on board with Brexit, but I'm pleased we are hanging in there with the negotiations.

[stevyy]

let's be real, there is too much hatred of both sides. they won't get a deal done which would be beneficiery for both sides... by March 2019, no deal is done and the EU and UK split without any further relations which means that EU citizens who work in the UK will be thrown out, thousands of businesses will close on both sides, and many many ppl will lose their lives work, pensions and what not.

Ireland will have to secure its border again, forced by the EU to prevent British companies to benefit from EU trade and vice versa.

The Euro will lose value which will make GER extremely over-competitive to the resentment of the other countries. Spain will most like default and with it Italy, Portugal, Greece, France and Germany. Then the world is pushed into a global recession and financial breakdown. With the EU knocked out the US will default, then China, then India, then Brazil... etc.

[Wayne]

let's be real, there is too much hatred of both sides. they won't get a deal done which would be beneficiery for both sides... by March 2019, no deal is done and the EU and UK split without any further relations which means that EU citizens who work in the UK will be thrown out, thousands of businesses will close on both sides, and many many ppl will lose their lives work, pensions and what not.

Ireland will have to secure its border again, forced by the EU to prevent British companies to benefit from EU trade and vice versa.

None of these things will happen.

The only part of your post that's relevant is the bolded part.

The EU needs to recognise that in damaging the UK, they are damaging one of the biggest economies in the world - and consequently, their own existence, And the UK needs to realise that everything cannot remain the same - there needs to be concessions on both sides and both sides need to be more humble.

My point here is that Barnier's grandstanding doesn't help - this is an agreement, not a "we say, you do".

[Rihab]

The Euro will lose value

Actually, the Euro has been gaining massively against all other important currencies lately, including the dollar and the pound. So much so that before the end of the year, it will likely reach parity with the pound for the first time ever. Mess in the US and the UK is good for the Euro, it makes the eurozone as a whole look like a haven of stability, despite some major crises in several of its member states.
By remaining firm in the Brexit negotiations, the EU is getting it 100% right for the first time in ages.