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  • Originally posted by menime123 View Post
    More or less, yes. We have no other plan. We are simply sitting ducks hoping the EU will do something to solve this mess, because we now have no power. We don’t want to leave with no deal but don’t like the deal we’ve got, but have no alternatives to propose.

    It’s messier than a Kardashian party.
    I think this is shaping up for you guys to stay in the EU, now or later on...
    "Complaining is an advertisement for stupidity"

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    • Originally posted by AlphaMale View Post
      I think this is shaping up for you guys to stay in the EU, now or later on...
      Nope. I don’t think we’ll get the extension. It takes only 1 country out of 27 to say ‘no’ and we still leave. I’m now thinking May has played this very, very well - the EU will say no extension, she’ll come back to parliament and ask them to vote on her deal again, letting them know it’s her deal or no deal.
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      • But didn't mps voted for not leaving without a deal?
        "Complaining is an advertisement for stupidity"

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        • Originally posted by AlphaMale View Post
          But didn't mps voted for not leaving without a deal?

          It it means absolutely nothing at the moment. We’ve left it too late to have any control over it - we have no control over anything now until the EU agrees on an extension. If they don’t extend then we have no deal, and will legally leave on the 29th March whether we want to or not.
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          • Between our incompetence and the EU’s firmness, no other country will surely ever attempt this

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            • Can't you revoke article 50?
              "Complaining is an advertisement for stupidity"

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              • Originally posted by Thriller View Post
                Between our incompetence and the EU’s firmness, no other country will surely ever attempt this
                The only way another country would ever attempt this is if the entire country was anti-EU. Anyone who has a split vote like us then god help them.
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                • Originally posted by AlphaMale View Post
                  Can't you revoke article 50?
                  As far as I’m aware, there’s no time for the UK to revoke it before 29th March. So we have to ask the EU for an extension - which they are not obliged to do. If we get the extension then we can revoke it, yes. But everything hangs on this extension now.
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                  • Originally posted by AlphaMale View Post
                    Can't you revoke article 50?
                    The European Court of Justice has decided that the UK can revoke article 50 unilaterally so it is possible. However in the absence of another referendum it would be a massive attack on democracy (not that it hasn't happened before in the EU numerous times mind you).

                    Also it has to be said that the vote of parliament also goes against the referendum result as it essentially blocks what people voted for: Brexit.
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                    • I highly doubt - though it clearly isn't completely impossible - that the EU will prevent an extension.

                      All commentators point to a no deal being bad for both the UK and the EU.

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                      • The EU will provide an extension but it will probably not accept any other deal. So that will leave the UK with two options: either take the deal or remain forever in the EU in limbo. The second scenario is not great either as it will leave the UK in neverending negotiations with the EU while the uncertainty will continue hurting the economy. Both scenarios are good for the rest of the EU though so I can see it happening...
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                        • Originally posted by menime123 View Post
                          The only way another country would ever attempt this is if the entire country was anti-EU. Anyone who has a split vote like us then god help them.
                          The danger of a successful Brexit is that many others would follow... hence the EU will do everything in its power to make Brexit a complete failure... it's just self-preservation after all. That's why I believe that it is very important for the UK to leave successfully. Because that will change completely the balance of power between states and supranational institutions/directorates within the EU and that is good for all of us (bar one)
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                          • Originally posted by Wayne View Post
                            I highly doubt - though it clearly isn't completely impossible - that the EU will prevent an extension.

                            All commentators point to a no deal being bad for both the UK and the EU.

                            But not a single alternative remains viable - so if the EU believes in Mayís deal and insist itís the only one... they shouldnít grant the extension. Granting one suggests they are open to further negotiations and if they are, shame on them for not negotiating over the last few months instead.

                            I support no deal because I donít think we should be afraid of it, but Iím happy if we have a deal in place.
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                            • I officially declare this the biggest political mess of all time anywhere in the world.

                              Donald, Greece and Italy tried, but they could never. Iconic.

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                              • Originally posted by Rihab View Post


                                I officially declare this the biggest political mess of all time anywhere in the world.

                                Donald, Greece and Italy tried, but they could never. Iconic.
                                why r u happy about it?
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                                • Originally posted by menime123 View Post
                                  More or less, yes. We have no other plan. We are simply sitting ducks hoping the EU will do something to solve this mess, because we now have no power. We don’t want to leave with no deal but don’t like the deal we’ve got, but have no alternatives to propose.

                                  It’s messier than a Kardashian party.

                                  Article 50 can be unilaterally rescinded by the UK

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                                  • Originally posted by menime123 View Post
                                    Her deal is going to get a 3rd vote isn’t it?
                                    And yet still no 2nd Ref

                                    Anyway Bercow may not allow a 3rd vote: He's making a decision on this

                                    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8821716.html
                                    Last edited by Kpop; Thu March 14, 2019, 10:59.

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                                    • Originally posted by Kpop View Post
                                      Article 50 can be unilaterally rescinded by the UK
                                      Not by 29th March though - thatís the point: thereís no time left for anything to happen on our side. Even if Mayís deal is voted on a 3rd time and passes, we have to ask for an extension in order to make that law, as thereís no time before 29th March.

                                      Itís an utter mess.
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                                      • Brexit news latest: MPs reject amendment to delay March 29 deadline for second referendum.
                                        What's next?
                                        "Complaining is an advertisement for stupidity"

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                                        • Originally posted by AlphaMale View Post
                                          Brexit news latest: MPs reject amendment to delay March 29 deadline for second referendum.
                                          What's next?
                                          MPs will vote on her deal for a 3rd time on Tuesday, and May will ask for an extension next Thursday - three months if the deal passes, longer if it does not. The only thing I’m certain of is that British politics is utterly broken and every single MP should be fired and barred from standing for parliament ever again.
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                                          • I think that your politicians, especially the Brexiters, really don't want to leave the EU.
                                            "Complaining is an advertisement for stupidity"

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                                            • Originally posted by AlphaMale View Post
                                              I think that your politicians, especially the Brexiters, really don't want to leave the EU.
                                              Tough titty
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                                              • I've started following Jess Philips on Twitter (Labour MP - but not Corbyn-esqe at all) and I like what I see - I understand that she's a contender for future Prime Minister, with big things touted for her.

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                                                • Lmao hahaha

                                                  As someone who will get EU citizenship very soon, I have a say in this

                                                  Gosh since the Uk wants to stay so bad, can’t they just admit to it and done? Jeez so much drama. Even I’m not that dramatic. Go for some afternoon tea or gin and tonics, talk it over and get it done
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                                                  • The level of incompetence, I...
                                                    DUA LIPA - RIHANNA - THE WEEKND - DOJA CAT
                                                    98 - OUT

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