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  • jio
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    I think the question of whether a country stays or leaves the EU should be about something more than just what a deal that country can get. I mean the whole idea behind being tough with the UK and giving them a bad deal is only to send a message to other countries that might be tempted to leave (a strategy also practiced in Greece with little result- look at Italy now). A union which aims at ever closer union should be able to speak to peoples' hearts and minds and the EU is clearly not doing so. A union basing its existence at pure blackmail has no future really.

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  • Artoo
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    Originally posted by heppolo
    Originally posted by menime123
    Originally posted by Thriller
    It still baffles me that we were asked to vote in the first referendum without knowing what we were even voting for.

    I know what you mean, though we could never have anticipated what sort of deal we could have expected. Whilst I think the campaigning - on both sides - was dramatically lacking in knowledge, ultimately itís up to the individual to be informed... all the information was publicly available.

    In the same way ignorance of the law isnít an excuse if you commit a crime, I feel we have to accept ignorance of the consequences canít apply here - which was a huge argument when the wrong result was announced

    I donít blame David Cameron for stepping down, but I think itís telling that Boris ruined his career over all this. Itíll be interesting to see if he can actually bounce back.
    The whole campaign was played as a ''status quo (remain) vs. change (leave)'' vote and in the current climate there is a significant number of people dissatisfied with the political system in general.
    Good. UK politics desperately needs a shake up and for people to engage more. Itís no good to moan imo, but to learn a lesson and get more involved moving forward.

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  • Artoo
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    Originally posted by Wayne
    I think Theresa May has thus far done a remarkable job of keeping the country somewhat stable up until now.

    The calls for a no confidence vote irritate me beyond words - our political system is deeply flawed and if a man was in charge, we wouldn't be having this conversation (and the tone would be very different).
    Oh I canít agree.

    Iím 100% confident the criticism of May has nothing to do with her being a woman. In fact, Iím reading a lot of media praise as to how strong, determined and resistant she is being.

    Plus letís not pretend a Ďvote of no confidenceí is a new thing, rarely to be used. Every PM has at least one rebel throwing it around from time to time, and in the last decade the Labour Party has gone through it a number of times... Corden had a vote if no confidence and was still re-instated by his party! Cameron left before he was pushed too.

    Personally I wish there was more uniformity on how each party operates - each party has its own policy which I feel confuses matters. As a general rule, I find US politics much more fascinating to watch because their processes seem fairly straight forward, which I feel really inspires voters to get up and vote. Last time, May did bugger all despite calling the damn election unnecessarily

    What I will say about May though is that I do think sheís trying her best and I am happy to see her try and pull it off - I donít see an advantage in a change of PM at this stage. My main view is that the public simply:

    1. Want Brexit to be over
    2. Mostly for nothing to change
    3. Our own border control and rules
    4. Money to be spend on the NHS instead of the EU

    Genuinely, I think thatís what people voted on. We didnít expect all this bloody noise to go with it.

    The thing about May though is that she keeps her head down, does the work and very rarely appears to that openly in view of the public. She isnít media friendly like Blair or Cameron, who were natural showmen that made you believe what they had to say and that they could lead a government to achieve it.

    Poor May has zero charisma and when her personality comes out, you sort of just cringe a bit. Which actually, sums up Brexit perfectly thus far too

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  • heppolo
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    Originally posted by menime123
    Originally posted by Thriller
    It still baffles me that we were asked to vote in the first referendum without knowing what we were even voting for.

    I know what you mean, though we could never have anticipated what sort of deal we could have expected. Whilst I think the campaigning - on both sides - was dramatically lacking in knowledge, ultimately itís up to the individual to be informed... all the information was publicly available.

    In the same way ignorance of the law isnít an excuse if you commit a crime, I feel we have to accept ignorance of the consequences canít apply here - which was a huge argument when the wrong result was announced

    I donít blame David Cameron for stepping down, but I think itís telling that Boris ruined his career over all this. Itíll be interesting to see if he can actually bounce back.
    The whole campaign was played as a ''status quo (remain) vs. change (leave)'' vote and in the current climate there is a significant number of people dissatisfied with the political system in general.

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  • Artoo
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    Originally posted by Thriller
    It still baffles me that we were asked to vote in the first referendum without knowing what we were even voting for.

    I know what you mean, though we could never have anticipated what sort of deal we could have expected. Whilst I think the campaigning - on both sides - was dramatically lacking in knowledge, ultimately itís up to the individual to be informed... all the information was publicly available.

    In the same way ignorance of the law isnít an excuse if you commit a crime, I feel we have to accept ignorance of the consequences canít apply here - which was a huge argument when the wrong result was announced

    I donít blame David Cameron for stepping down, but I think itís telling that Boris ruined his career over all this. Itíll be interesting to see if he can actually bounce back.

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  • Artoo
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    Originally posted by MusicRecords
    Originally posted by menime123
    Originally posted by MusicRecords
    Iím enjoying this, the value of the pound is going down...makes it easier for poor people like me to chav around buying Burberry

    Like they let you in the shop.
    Omg we should totally go for tea when I go in March

    Iím washing my hair.

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  • Thriller
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    Re: UK Politics - UKMIX referendum on Brexit (POLL)

    It still baffles me that we were asked to vote in the first referendum without knowing what we were even voting for.

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  • Artoo
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    Originally posted by DnBLover
    People voted out? Half of the people voted out on the basis of a demagogical campaign in a non-legally binding referendum!!!!
    It goes beyond me how everyone sane in that country wanted to stay, but because of these liars the government decided it was a good move to just push through with it.

    It wasnít legally binding, but no sane politician is going to backtrack on what the public wants. We asked for a referendum and we gave a clear direction to our political leaders. Legally binding or not, we are a democracy and no political party would dare go against that.

    ĎEveryone saneí clearly did not vote, which is why we are in this bloody mess. I expected it to go like Scotland - a way for politicians to put the discussion to bed for a generation or two. Clearly David Cameron did too

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  • Wayne
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    Re: UK Politics - UKMIX referendum on Brexit (POLL)

    I think Theresa May has thus far done a remarkable job of keeping the country somewhat stable up until now.

    The calls for a no confidence vote irritate me beyond words - our political system is deeply flawed and if a man was in charge, we wouldn't be having this conversation (and the tone would be very different).

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  • Artoo
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    Originally posted by Thriller
    So what happens next, do we get another referendum on whether or not we want the deal?

    Itíd make a change for people to vote knowing what theyíd be getting themselves in to.
    No, no more referendums. We asked for Brexit, weíre getting Brexit. Our MPs now get to vote, I think, as the deal will have to go through parliament (both houses), and based on today that just isnít going to happen... unless May knows where each and every skeleton is.

    I saw some of her PMQs and it was brutal. This is probably the toughest task any PM has had in decades. If she can get it through the house and manage to cling onto power until March and actually pull the damn thing off... sheíll have certainly made her own footnote in the history books anyway.

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  • Artoo
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    Re: UK Politics - UKMIX referendum on Brexit (POLL)

    Iím a firm remainer, so I selected that option. But Iím looking forward to leaving actually.

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  • Wayne
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    Re: UK Politics - UKMIX referendum on Brexit (POLL)

    I've added a poll!

    UK residents, how would you vote?!

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  • Thriller
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    Re: UK Politics - UK political system in chaos

    So what happens next, do we get another referendum on whether or not we want the deal?

    Itíd make a change for people to vote knowing what theyíd be getting themselves in to.

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  • heppolo
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    Originally posted by DnBLover
    People voted out? Half of the people voted out on the basis of a demagogical campaign in a non-legally binding referendum!!!!
    It goes beyond me how everyone sane in that country wanted to stay, but because of these liars the government decided it was a good move to just push through with it.
    just like with DJT and electoral college

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  • DnBLover
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    People voted out? Half of the people voted out on the basis of a demagogical campaign in a non-legally binding referendum!!!!
    It goes beyond me how everyone sane in that country wanted to stay, but because of these liars the government decided it was a good move to just push through with it.

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  • MusicRecords
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    Originally posted by menime123
    Originally posted by MusicRecords
    Iím enjoying this, the value of the pound is going down...makes it easier for poor people like me to chav around buying Burberry

    Like they let you in the shop.
    Omg we should totally go for tea when I go in March

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  • Artoo
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    Originally posted by MusicRecords
    Iím enjoying this, the value of the pound is going down...makes it easier for poor people like me to chav around buying Burberry

    Like they let you in the shop.

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  • MusicRecords
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    Iím enjoying this, the value of the pound is going down...makes it easier for poor people like me to chav around buying Burberry

    Leave a comment:


  • Artoo
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    Re: UK Politics - Donald Trump's advice to Theresa May...

    Just watching her press conference and lord, theyíre grilling her - poor woman, you canít help but feel a bit sorry for her. As much as Iím no Tory, good on her for clinging on. I suspect away from all this sheís a nice person and as I said earlier, this was never going to be easy.

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  • heppolo
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    Re: UK Politics - Donald Trump's advice to Theresa May...

    UK might end up with Jacob Rees-Mogg as a PM and a country divided as a result.

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  • Artoo
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    Originally posted by Rihab
    Originally posted by menime123
    Originally posted by Rihab
    What a mess already and itís only 9am. May might not survive today.
    We can only hope. This entire Brexit mess is a BBC drama in the making.
    But then what? Do people seriously expect that Boris Johnson or Andrea Leadsom as PM would manage to reach a better deal with the EU in the next few days? Do they really think going through with the Ďno dealí option would be less messy? Or would they prefer a third election in three years to be called that ends with Jeremy Corbyn as PM and a second referendum?

    That is not a reason to accept and support the agreed deal. My opinion is that Brexit was never going to end well - the EU have no desire to make an exit easy (for fear of copycat moves) and as today demonstrates - Britain is not in a compromising mood.

    I quite admire May as a person, as she had had to deal with a hell of a lot to get any sort of deal on the table in the first place. But is she a good Prime Minister No. She canít unify her own party, never mind convince parliament to get behind a deal and end this sorry state of affairs.

    My view is that people voted to be out - so take us 100% out, and let us deal with what comes. That is what the people voted for (whether they knew it or not).

    The bigger issue is that we have no one in politics able of uniting parliament. David Cameron and Tony Blair managed it, but ever since they stepped away from it all itís been nothing but carnage really. At least a Ďno dealí exit will allow us the freedom to completely rebuild our politics how we see fit... and hopefully someone will emerge capable of doing just that.

    Iíve always found it telling thereís not been a clear majority over the last 4 elections. UK politics needs a complete shakeup because itís clear the country doesnít have one united vision at the moment.

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  • Rihab
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    Originally posted by menime123
    Originally posted by Rihab
    What a mess already and itís only 9am. May might not survive today.
    We can only hope. This entire Brexit mess is a BBC drama in the making.
    But then what? Do people seriously expect that Boris Johnson or Andrea Leadsom as PM would manage to reach a better deal with the EU in the next few days? Do they really think going through with the Ďno dealí option would be less messy? Or would they prefer a third election in three years to be called that ends with Jeremy Corbyn as PM and a second referendum?

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  • Artoo
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    Originally posted by Rihab
    What a mess already and itís only 9am. May might not survive today.

    We can only hope. This entire Brexit mess is a BBC drama in the making.

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  • heppolo
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    - A divorce bill of between £39billion and £46billion will be paid to Brussels
    that's cute

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  • Rihab
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    What a mess already and itís only 9am. May might not survive today.

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