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  • Originally posted by menime123
    Originally posted by Wayne
    Her majesty is required to be apolitical.

    And has never faultered in an entire lifetime.
    I’m pretty sure she’s ok with brexit though

    Why can’t they be political though? More proof that this whole monarchy thing is just a tourism business...they don’t have a say in political stuff that’s important, but y’all keep feeding them with a gold spoon while the people struggle to have good wages
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    • Originally posted by MusicRecords
      Originally posted by menime123
      Originally posted by Wayne
      Her majesty is required to be apolitical.

      And has never faultered in an entire lifetime.
      I’m pretty sure she’s ok with brexit though

      Why can’t they be political though? More proof that this whole monarchy thing is just a tourism business...they don’t have a say in political stuff that’s important, but y’all keep feeding them with a gold spoon while the people struggle to have good wages

      Because we are a democracy - the public votes for their local politicians and whichever party gets the most members voted in (past a certain number) is then invited by the Queen to form her government. The royal family does not rule the country and hasn’t done so for 360 years.

      The monarchy is more than a tourism business, thank you. We tried being a republic for 11 years and we did not like it, and were very glad Charles II forgave us for chopping off his Dad’s head (Charles I) and accepted the throne (the forgiveness wasn’t really granted until he beheaded the guts that beheaded his dad, but as they were already dead at that point, posthumous decapitation was a bit pointless).

      You only need to see footage of both Harry’s and William’s weddings to know how loved the royal family is.



      The Queen does receive daily briefings from the government and meets with the Prime Minister weekly to discuss what’s happening and to offer advice and support. Never forget this is her government and whilst she never would, legally she can step in and sack the lot of them by dissolving parliament. But she can never publicly support or endorse any political ideology or party for fear of swaying the people.

      The cost of monarchy is minimal - she cost each person approximately £1.15 a year... which is about $1.50. Bargain.
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      • Originally posted by menime123
        Originally posted by Wayne
        Her majesty is required to be apolitical.

        And has never faultered in an entire lifetime.
        Despite what the agenda-pushing tabloid rags might have you think.

        She once referred to Prince Philip as her "strength and stay all these years" but the truth is, that's what she's been to the UK - I appreciate it's difficult to understand if you're not British, but she (= the monarch) is the most consistent entity that we as a country have known and she has remained beloved and popular by not becoming political (she's above politics).

        And, I might add, her reign has been longer than the established "European Union" (which is generally accepted to have begun in 1957 which the establishment of the EEC, though some point to the establishment of the Council of Europe in 1949 as the beginning).

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        • Originally posted by menime123
          I believe in the ideologies of the EU but it needs to be replaced by something better. I love and support the idea of European countries working together, but I think what has gotten lost along the way is the idea of individual sovereignty and I object to the EU slow trying to become something like the USA.
          EU members are supposed to form an ‘ever closer union‘, so of course we’re gonna turn into some sort of United States of Europe sooner or later (probably later). Anyone who isn‘t okay with that really shouldn‘t have joined in the first place, but is free to follow Britain out. I‘m strictly against the EU going back to being a mere economic union. The political union is just as important.

          I also kinda like the idea of an EU army. Would make it much easier to stand up to the US and tell them ‘no‘ the next time they try to drag us into another one of their unnecessary wars.

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          • Originally posted by menime123
            I know some won’t agree with this, but the fact the UK has a monarchy has a lot to do with the feelings behind Brexit (subliminally).
            Something that the UK shares with Spain, Sweden, Denmark, the Netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg, which happen to be some of the biggest supporters of the European project. Something that these countries don’t share though is Britain‘s imperial nostalgia and subliminal desire to create an empire 2.0. And that‘s what I suspect is actually to blame here. Y‘all can‘t use the Queen as an excuse every time your country acts up, the poor woman doesn‘t deserve that.

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            • Originally posted by Rihab
              Originally posted by menime123
              I know some won’t agree with this, but the fact the UK has a monarchy has a lot to do with the feelings behind Brexit (subliminally).
              Something that the UK shares with Spain, Sweden, Denmark, the Netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg, which happen to be some of the biggest supporters of the European project. Something that these countries don’t share though is Britain‘s imperial nostalgia and subliminal desire to create an empire 2.0. And that‘s what I suspect is actually to blame here. Y‘all can‘t use the Queen as an excuse every time your country acts up, the poor woman doesn‘t deserve that.

              Says the user from Germany

              It’s so boring to hear that argument thrown around, when quite honestly there’s barely anyone around who remembers the days of when Britain had a real empire. Why would Britain want to create an empire in 2018? How on earth can anyone even attempt to do that in 2018?

              The Commonwealth shows that a group of countries can work together without legal interference, paid membership and operate purely on the concept of respect. The EU May he democratic in its setup, but ultimately it’s a union that survives only by ruling over its members.

              It has nothing to do with a desire for our own empire, but everything to do with how unappealing the EU has become to us... and the EU and it’s state members need to look at themselves and explain why we think that. The EU would like nothing more than to see us fail, but of course we won’t and will survive leaving.
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              • Originally posted by Rihab
                Originally posted by menime123
                I believe in the ideologies of the EU but it needs to be replaced by something better. I love and support the idea of European countries working together, but I think what has gotten lost along the way is the idea of individual sovereignty and I object to the EU slow trying to become something like the USA.
                EU members are supposed to form an ‘ever closer union‘, so of course we’re gonna turn into some sort of United States of Europe sooner or later (probably later). Anyone who isn‘t okay with that really shouldn‘t have joined in the first place, but is free to follow Britain out. I‘m strictly against the EU going back to being a mere economic union. The political union is just as important.

                I also kinda like the idea of an EU army. Would make it much easier to stand up to the US and tell them ‘no‘ the next time they try to drag us into another one of their unnecessary wars.
                The ideologies of the EEC and the EU are wildly different. The UK currently pays more into the EU than it gets back, and reclaiming such monies will ultimately help our national health service whilst controlling our political and legal future. The UK has clearly had reservations about some of the things the union became, and have never wanted to give up our sovereignty - evident by our desire not to be tied into a single currency.

                I have no idea why you think an EU army is a good thing. Which war did the EU get dragged into? How would an EU army stand up to the US? Do you really think the fact an EU army exists will make politicians change their mind when deciding to go to war? Every time Europe goes to war the US gets dragged in so it works both ways.
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                • Well if Germans want an ever closer union they should be start thinking about more basic things that a union has than an army: shared asylum, shared debt and wealth transfer from rich to poor areas. As long as that doesnt happen their idea of an ever closer union is more like ever lasting dominance which aint happening because it isnt sustainable (to borrow the IMF's words)
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                        • My only concern is.....Will Brexit have a negative effect on food prices?

                          Food is one of my highest expenses on a monthly basis and I would hate to be out of pocket after this debacle.

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                          • Originally posted by ludichris
                            My only concern is.....Will Brexit have a negative effect on food prices?

                            Food is one of my highest expenses on a monthly basis and I would hate to be out of pocket after this debacle.

                            Well it already has had an impact, hasn’t it? Prices have shot up over the last 2 years imo whilst the actual goods have reduced in size and quantity.

                            I think it’s inevitable prices will increase unfortunately. My main focus after Brexit is to entire local producers are able to maintain sales and costs at reasonable prices. I think a trick has been missed since Brexit was announced if I’m honest, as we really could have promoted the importance of relying on your local farmers, increasing the demand on them and getting their prices to drop.

                            Brexit is incredibly uncertain for the farming industry at the moment, but considering Brexit is all about taking control back, we should be looking inwards imo rather than focusing on deal that continue to allow us to look out.

                            I know it’s cheap, but supermarkets import things like Chicken from Taiwan. I mean, really?
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                            • Originally posted by menime123
                              Originally posted by Rihab
                              Originally posted by menime123
                              I know some won’t agree with this, but the fact the UK has a monarchy has a lot to do with the feelings behind Brexit (subliminally).
                              Something that the UK shares with Spain, Sweden, Denmark, the Netherlands, Belgium and Luxembourg, which happen to be some of the biggest supporters of the European project. Something that these countries don’t share though is Britain‘s imperial nostalgia and subliminal desire to create an empire 2.0. And that‘s what I suspect is actually to blame here. Y‘all can‘t use the Queen as an excuse every time your country acts up, the poor woman doesn‘t deserve that.

                              Says the user from Germany

                              It’s so boring to hear that argument thrown around, when quite honestly there’s barely anyone around who remembers the days of when Britain had a real empire. Why would Britain want to create an empire in 2018? How on earth can anyone even attempt to do that in 2018?

                              The Commonwealth shows that a group of countries can work together without legal interference, paid membership and operate purely on the concept of respect. The EU May he democratic in its setup, but ultimately it’s a union that survives only by ruling over its members.

                              It has nothing to do with a desire for our own empire, but everything to do with how unappealing the EU has become to us... and the EU and it’s state members need to look at themselves and explain why we think that. The EU would like nothing more than to see us fail, but of course we won’t and will survive leaving.
                              It's so much bigger than that. The UK must surely realise that their actions could well ultimately contribute to a serious destabilisation of Europe which can only please Putin, and drive us into the arms of Trump's America. Similary, back in the 1930s, Britain's political parties refused to help strengthen stability and democracy in Europe and instead contributed to their horrific demise.

                              I feel like the whole sorry story of much of the British political establishment's abandonment of our continent took place decades ago. But tragically, here we are again, albeit substantially different potential versions of it.

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                              • ^I wouldn't say Britain contributed to the demise of democracy in Europe in the 1930s. The Treaty of Versailles created more democratic countries than before the war.... And then it was internal political and economic factors that led democracy in many countries to fail.

                                Britain was one of the countries trying hardest to get Europe, and in particular Germany, back on its feet as it needed them for trade and wanted a strong Germany to counter balance France

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                                • Originally posted by Pompeii
                                  It's so much bigger than that. The UK must surely realise that their actions could well ultimately contribute to a serious destabilisation of Europe which can only please Putin, and drive us into the arms of Trump's America. Similary, back in the 1930s, Britain's political parties refused to help strengthen stability and democracy in Europe and instead contributed to their horrific demise.

                                  I feel like the whole sorry story of much of the British political establishment's abandonment of our continent took place decades ago. But tragically, here we are again, albeit substantially different potential versions of it.
                                  The thing to remember about Brexit is that ultimately, this was not a politicians choice. If we put aside all talk of political lies and speculation etc during the referendum, the result lies with the British people and them alone.

                                  All the politicians ultimately did was agree to offer the people a vote and the people have spoken - and whilst the result was clear, it was by no means indicative of a unified nation (we can blame that on politicians!)

                                  So no, I don’t think Britain ‘must surely realise’ any of the points you speculate over. Why would the average person know or care about destabilising Europe? None of that was a factor in how we voted - we voted primarily on immigration, border control and the cost of membership.

                                  Personally I believe strong links throughout all European nations is needed. But does it need to be in a shared union like the EU - we can still work together and support our shared ideals.
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                                  • "All the politicians ultimately did was agree to offer the people a vote and the people have spoken - and whilst the result was clear, it was by no means indicative of a unified nation"

                                    Do I really need to point out everything that's wrong about this?
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                                    • Originally posted by DnBLover
                                      "All the politicians ultimately did was agree to offer the people a vote and the people have spoken - and whilst the result was clear, it was by no means indicative of a unified nation"

                                      Do I really need to point out everything that's wrong about this?
                                      Yeah, I’d like to hear your points on this?

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                                      • Originally posted by DnBLover
                                        "All the politicians ultimately did was agree to offer the people a vote and the people have spoken - and whilst the result was clear, it was by no means indicative of a unified nation"

                                        Do I really need to point out everything that's wrong about this?

                                        Please do.
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                                        • Theresa May's Brexit plan will deliver a 3.9 per cent hit to GDP and workers’ wages will fall, according to the best estimate of government officials.

                                          Every region of the country will be worse off in 15 years’ time than if the UK stayed in the EU, with London suffering the greatest damage, the analysis finds.

                                          Real wages, after inflation, are expected to fall by 2.7 per cent – despite the claims of Brexiteers that cutting EU migration would allow pay to go up.

                                          The analysis does not put a cash figure on the impact of a 3.9 per cent drop in GDP, but other independent experts have suggested it equates to around £100bn a year – or £1,000 a head.
                                          welp poor things
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                                          • Re: UK Politics - UKMIX referendum on Brexit (POLL)

                                            Everyone knew Brexit would have an impact. But we don’t know the real impact until we leave, and considering these numbers are government published and released when the government needs to drive home the impact of a ‘no deal’ Brexit, I take it all with a pinch of salt.
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                                            • Originally posted by menime123
                                              Everyone knew Brexit would have an impact. But we don’t know the real impact until we leave, and considering these numbers are government published and released when the government needs to drive home the impact of a ‘no deal’ Brexit, I take it all with a pinch of salt.
                                              what is your stance regarding the Brexit?
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                                              • Originally posted by aRat
                                                Originally posted by menime123
                                                Everyone knew Brexit would have an impact. But we don’t know the real impact until we leave, and considering these numbers are government published and released when the government needs to drive home the impact of a ‘no deal’ Brexit, I take it all with a pinch of salt.
                                                what is your stance regarding the Brexit?

                                                See pages 1 to 39.
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                                                • Re: UK Politics - UKMIX referendum on Brexit (POLL)

                                                  yikes I ain't reading all that. Pro or Contra?
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                                                  • well it's what the UK voted for, if they didn't know how hard it was going to be on them then the GP wasn't fit to decide in the first place. wages going down and import is more expensive, way to go
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