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  • Originally posted by Wayne
    ^ I guess we exit with no deal - interesting times are ahead of us.

    Yup. Either itís no deal as sheís promised countless times or the EU will change the deal (which I donít see happening).
    Exsqueeze me!

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    • Re: UK Politics: Brexit plan rejected; confidence vote table

      What about the borders then for example? Isn't that all part of the deal as well? Going without a deal will be even more of a mess
      aRat's NUDES LEAKED

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      • They had 2 years and a No Deal is the result?
        DUA LIPA - RIHANNA - THE WEEKND - DOJA CAT
        98 - OUT

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        • Originally posted by menime123
          In a bitter divorce, who doesnít want everything their way?
          This is not a bitter divorce, far from it. In a bitter divorce, Brussels has a fence and an 'EU army' protect the Irish border, invests billions to achieve Irish reunification and Scottish independence, blocks any country that wants a trade deal with the EU from signing a trade deal with the UK and directs any potential immigration wave right into the channel tunnel. Brussels is the queen of pettiness.

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          • Re: UK Politics: Brexit plan rejected; confidence vote table

            [tweet:3h6di3zo]https://twitter.com/LesNews/status/1085475254544330752[/tweet:3h6di3zo]

            France to accelerate preparation for a no-deal Brexit.
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            • Originally posted by KEY9481
              [tweet:1ar4mdc3]https://twitter.com/LesNews/status/1085475254544330752[/tweet:1ar4mdc3]

              France to accelerate preparation for a no-deal Brexit.
              DDDd trying to end them as quickly as possible, France always loves to **** the UK over
              DUA LIPA - RIHANNA - THE WEEKND - DOJA CAT
              98 - OUT

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              • My bet is one side will eventually cave in to prevent a no-deal Brexit. It might be the Tories, but Labour is more likely imo. It might take a while, possibly until 10:59pm on March 29, but it'll happen. We (and Theresa) just need to wait and see.

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                • Originally posted by aRat
                  They had 2 years and a No Deal is the result?
                  This is what happens when 3/4 of parliamentary MPs donít want to leave a union that 52% of the voters did - the peopleís representatives are not doing what they have been tasked to do.

                  A simple YES/NO referendum campaign and the subsequent lying on both sides thereafter was a disgrace. Those that voted leave likely wanted a clean break from the EU, Mayís deal delivers a version of that but it isnít strong enough to satisfy either side.

                  The lack of progression in the last 2 years is shocking and thatís because we are a divided country. The MPs need to be held to account by their constituents.

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                  • Re: UK Politics: Brexit plan rejected; confidence vote table

                    To be quite honest, 52% was not enough to dive in for such a big decision and a life changing event for the whole country.
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                    • Originally posted by KEY9481
                      To be quite honest, 52% was not enough to dive in for such a big decision and a life changing event for the whole country.
                      True I would like to know what would happen if they'd allow a second vote now
                      aRat's NUDES LEAKED

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                      • Originally posted by KEY9481
                        To be quite honest, 52% was not enough to dive in for such a big decision and a life changing event for the whole country.
                        What number would be big enough?

                        A referendum requires a majority, and a majority won out - if you then start to get into the detail because the result doesnít go your way, itís pointless ever having the referendum to begin with.

                        1.2 million more people voted to leave than stay.

                        I think the bigger issue is how the leave campaign misled voters, rather than the winning margin.

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                        • Re: UK Politics: Brexit plan rejected; confidence vote table

                          The people of Northern Ireland are being done so wrong. The Tories, DUP and Sinn Feinn donít care about us at all.
                          late.

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                          • Originally posted by Wayne
                            Originally posted by KEY9481
                            To be quite honest, 52% was not enough to dive in for such a big decision and a life changing event for the whole country.
                            What number would be big enough?

                            A referendum requires a majority, and a majority won out - if you then start to get into the detail because the result doesnít go your way, itís pointless ever having the referendum to begin with.

                            1.2 million more people voted to leave than stay.

                            I think the bigger issue is how the leave campaign misled voters, rather than the winning margin.
                            50% of the registered voters would have been more fair (the case and precedent was set during the 1979 Scottish Referendum where a 51.6% result was effectively overturned by only a 63.7% turnout)
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                            • Originally posted by urbanmusik
                              The people of Northern Ireland are being done so wrong. The Tories, DUP and Sinn Feinn donít care about us at all.
                              at least, Sinn Fein doesn't have ancient views on social issues like DUP and hardline Tories, but as far as I can see no party really cares about the economy.
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                              • For everyone with brains:

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                                • Re: UK Politics: Brexit plan rejected; confidence vote table

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                                  Gist: The UK voted in favour of 95% of all EU laws!
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                                  • Re: UK Politics: Brexit plan rejected; confidence vote table

                                    watching these 2 videos really riled me up. How can an entire nation be so brain-washed when they were able to withstand brain washing for the last 2000 years? Were there really no sane people out there who proved the pro Brexit ppl wrong? Why has the whole "fake news" slur become so popular in an educated European country?
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                                    • Re: UK Politics: Brexit plan rejected; confidence vote table

                                      May PMQ's answers once again turned into ''look, how bad Corbyn is''.
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                                      • Originally posted by stevyy
                                        watching these 2 videos really riled me up. How can an entire nation be so brain-washed when they were able to withstand brain washing for the last 2000 years? Were there really no sane people out there who proved the pro Brexit ppl wrong? Why has the whole "fake news" slur become so popular in an educated European country?
                                        As long as migration, racial dynamics and Islam in general were misrepresented as threats (or at least, dogwhistled) to the general british public by the right-wing media, EU was the first one to blame.
                                        Moreover, people's anger, resentment with the political class had to be channeled somewhere and EU served as the bogeyman.
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                                        • The unpopularity of the EU is an almost EU-wide phenomenon. I would assume that the average European does not want to leave the EU but not because he believes in it but because he/she somehow believes that life outside the EU is far worse. Something that remains so far unproven.

                                          As far as Stevvy's videos... well I will watch them later but calling people who agree with him "people with brains" is a bit narrow-minded.
                                          jio CHARTS NOW: 13/9/2022: https://www.ukmix.org/forum/chart-di...1#post10979401

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                                          • Originally posted by stevyy
                                            watching these 2 videos really riled me up. How can an entire nation be so brain-washed when they were able to withstand brain washing for the last 2000 years? Were there really no sane people out there who proved the pro Brexit ppl wrong? Why has the whole "fake news" slur become so popular in an educated European country?
                                            Not everyone that disagrees with your point of view is brainwashed.

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                                            • Originally posted by jio
                                              The unpopularity of the EU is an almost EU-wide phenomenon. I would assume that the average European does not want to leave the EU but not because he believes in it but because he/she somehow believes that life outside the EU is far worse.
                                              It's not only the EU, but the whole bureacracy and political class. There's no trust in the traditional political parties and ideologies ever since all of them failed. As long as that is the case people will mostly revert to simplistic authoritarian politics that can offer easy answers for the very complicated issues.
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                                              • Re: UK Politics: Brexit plan rejected; confidence vote table

                                                Of course it is. But the problem begins with the EU. Because the democratic deficit present currently in European countries is directly linked to the EU and the way it works. It was designed that way anyway but it cannot continue working that way. The side-effects are numerous and quite obvious and Brexit is only one of them.
                                                jio CHARTS NOW: 13/9/2022: https://www.ukmix.org/forum/chart-di...1#post10979401

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                                                • Originally posted by jio
                                                  Of course it is. But the problem begins with the EU. Because the democratic deficit present currently in European countries is directly linked to the EU and the way it works. It was designed that way anyway but it cannot continue working that way. The side-effects are numerous and quite obvious and Brexit is only one of them.
                                                  South America and U.S. don't have the EU, yet they are also feeling the masses being increasingly angry and dissatisfied with their bureacracy and the powerful class. EU bureacracy shenanigans look like a humble pie in comparison to a plain sight robbery the authoritarian regimes usually represent.
                                                  Only the most authoritarian regimes manage to contain and subvert the public sentiment, it feels like China's social credit system might be the ultimate solution for the powerful to keep the public in total control, which can be implemented globally in the nearest future.
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                                                  • Re: UK Politics: Brexit plan rejected; confidence vote table

                                                    Mmm I would strongly question that. What you have in the US and Latin America is indeed what you describe- deep dissatisfaction of politics as usual and choosing an alternative road. In the EU that's not what you have. In the EU what you have is inability to choose an alternative road by voting alone so extra actions are needed-hence Brexit and whatever exits both the far right and the far left are advocating. The EU is generally seen as changing the will of the people thus hurting democracy for the benefit of a small number of nations and that is not similar to anything that might be happening in the US or Latin America. Putting them all together just distracts from the reality.
                                                    jio CHARTS NOW: 13/9/2022: https://www.ukmix.org/forum/chart-di...1#post10979401

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