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  • Thriller
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    Even just yesterday she hadn’t backed down! Such a crap woman.

    It still does nothing for those most in need though.

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  • Wayne
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    It’s gone!

    This is a colossal government U-turn.

    Yesterday morning, the prime minister insisted she was pressing ahead with the controversial plan to scrap the 45p tax rate.

    This morning - it’s dead.

    There are two things which have changed:
    • one - a growing number of Tory MPs were speaking out publicly to say the policy was wrong
    • secondly - an increasing number of parliamentarians were predicting the policy would be voted down in the Commons

    Liz Truss will be hoping that by making this decision now, it will limit the damage.

    But this is undoubtedly a very difficult and damaging moment for her premiership. Truss had said she would be prepared to make difficult decisions. It turns out this was a difficult decision too far.

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  • Wayne
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    Apparently, the Government are about to release a statement in which they walk back the top rate tax cut for those earning £150,000 or more.

    I don’t think they appreciated the level of backlash this proposal would get, even within their own party. I also think that Liz Truss was naive to believe that she could just blame it on the Chancellor and leave it there.

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  • Artoo
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    I love that King Charles III movie

    Charles already said during his ascension broadcast that he knows he has to take a step back from all of his interests and commit to being a monarch. I don’t doubt he’ll find the transition hard across some of the issues he’s more passionate about, and sadly this is where Harry would have been useful in taking some of those things on and ensuring royal links are maintained.

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  • Wayne
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    Originally posted by p0isonparadise View Post
    Can't the King just send William to do the speach?
    William just doesn't have the same clout - King Charles is a respected speaker on this subject and is our Head of State and him being there would add serious gravitas to the summit. But to Artoo point, if Liz Truss plans to walk back some of our commitments, it would be a grave error of judgement to have King Charles delivering a speech.

    The more I read about King Charles, the more I want to see this happen:



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  • p0isonparadise
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    Can't the King just send William to do the speach?

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  • Artoo
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    The issue on the COP speech I think is that Truss could be planning to backtrack on some energy targets, so it’ll be a conflict of interest. However I don’t believe it’s the Palace - her party just has it in for her already.

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  • Wayne
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    Lots on this sorry doing the rounds - in a nutshell, Prince Charles (as was) planned to attend this summit and deliver a speech but then the late Queen died. Having become King, he’s then sought advice from Liz Truss on whether he should still attend - she’s requested he doesn’t go, he’s agreed to follow this. Then suddenly, this story leaks.

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  • ferrero
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    Interestingly the first episode was released on the day the mini-budget is announced. Truss govt is hoping this will divert the attention away from the economic disaster their mini budget has brought but to no avail i guess.



    Last edited by ferrero; Yesterday, 10:56.

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  • Wayne
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    Okay, so it turns out that The Labour Files is a four episode exposť on the Labour Party by Al Jazeera - it is absolutely explosive, it paints a terrible picture of UK Labour. It's essentially based around the fact that Al Jazeera has gained access to thousands of Labour Party files, the biggest ever leak in UK political party history - it makes hugely controversial and significant claims. It's totally caused me to question the media's coverage of Corbyn (both left and right wing media).

    Yet the documentary has received zero UK coverage - I can't find a single news article on the programmes from a national newspaper, so there's presumably some legal stuff going on - but I vehemently believe that if airs in the UK or gains any level of traction, our right wing media will be all over it and much of the goodwill that the party seems to be currently building on the back of the Tory Party's misery will soon be gone.

    The episodes are on YouTube if interested:

    Ep 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elp18OvnNV0

    Ep 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DTMF0MSXng

    Ep 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-cHBQf5z_M

    Ep 4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=db-Gpmfajp8

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  • Wayne
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    Has anyone watched The Labour Files - The Crisis? It’s an explosive, thoroughly brilliant documentary by Al Jazeera that really blows a hole in the British media’s coverage of Corbyn - and it really does highlight the major rifts that existed in the Labour Party during Corbyn’s time as leader.

    It’s really quite appalling how those within his own party conspired against him.

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  • Thriller
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    How funny that they put her on local radio thinking it’d be a soft platform for her. Apparently in former Cabinets she was actively hidden away from public speaking because they all knew how bad she was.

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  • Artoo
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    ^ Delicious

    Her advisors were fools putting her out on a promo tour. Truss isn’t a great public speaker and she cannot answer the questions - “Did you sleep well?” was such an obvious setup yet she walked straight into it.

    YouGov have Labour 33 points ahead of the Tories now. Truss will be lucky to make it to the end of the year. In less than three weeks she’s less popular than Boris, who they only got rid of because he was supposedly unelectable

    It’s not like me to defend a Tory but I do understand what they’re trying to do. I think the larger problem is that she’s tried to introduce too many new policies all at once and most of them are unpopular and not guaranteed to work.

    She should have announced the support plans and taken six months to properly cost and create a real plan for then paying back the approximate half a trillion pounds the UK has borrowed over the last few years, and announced it in March’s budget once we’re through winter and hopefully through the energy crisis.

    Everyone knows we’ll end up footing the bill one way or another, but to take steps that pushes the cost of living higher and messes with people’s security (literally their bricks and mortar), well, the pitchforks will come out and party allegiance goes out the window.

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  • ferrero
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  • ferrero
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    How not to run a country | The Economist

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  • Wayne
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    Is this the worst start to a Premiership in British history?

    I felt she’d been dealt a bad hand by having to deal with the death of the late Queen in her first week in office and I really think she played her part well but any goodwill she built up has been decimated in the last week. The reaction to that one fiscal event announcement on Friday appears to be doing more short term damage to the British economy than even the recession of 2008 and/or Covid!

    There is a small chance - a very small chance - that this fiscal event will work in the long term but at the moment, you have everybody who is anybody telling the PM that she needs to reverse direction but it’s like they are blind to the issue. This says it all really…



    We are living through their economic ideology, something they said they’d do in the late 2000s, and the problem with ideology is that people won’t change their minds before it’s too late, if at all. Even accepting that their plans stay for now, there are many things they could do to calm the markets that they just aren’t doing - not least of which is release some OBR numbers, but they won’t do this until late November! It’s all so very irresponsible. Everything Sunak said would happen, is happening. I wonder how long Truss has got as PM…

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  • SholasBoy
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    I was thinking, why don’t they get rid of this old fashioned rule of Sunday shopping hours. So many people shop online now and that has a much bigger effect on the high street than the supermarkets being open, surely. Also, I hate when I’ve forgotten it’s Sunday and I miss going to the shop to get the things I need for Mondays lunch.

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  • Lewis17
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    Originally posted by Plym View Post
    and michael jackson never performed on totp, so what. im not gonna let a member of the truss brigade slander his good name
    Actually he did, he performed Rockin' Robin and Lookin' Through The Windows in 1972 with hs brothers.

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  • Artoo
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    The IMF has come out and said, in polite language, that Truss’ budget is bloody shit.

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  • Artoo
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    Lots of good things coming from Starmer… but is anyone listening? Who even knows anymore.

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  • Wayne
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    By not being open to a deal with the SNP, Starmer has to decisively beat them - Labour would really struggle to win a GE under FPTP without winning Scotland.

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  • Thriller
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    Labour going some way to using the week’s events to their advantage and almost re-launch the party. Starmer being compared to, and quoting, Blair.
    • Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer attempts to reposition the Labour Party in a major speech to conference in Liverpool
    • Sir Keir promises a "fresh start" for the UK, and pledges to invest in the NHS, green energy and "spread opportunity to all"
    • He says the Conservative government has lost control of the economy with its tax cutting agenda - "don't forget, don't forgive", he says
    • He says they "crashed the pound" and vowed to get the UK out of an "endless cycle of crisis"
    • He says the war in Ukraine was the spark that caused rising energy costs, but that the country was not in a position to deal with it
    • He pledges to set up a publicly-owned green energy company within a year if he is elected, with 100% clean power by 2030
    • And he vowed that a Labour government would "make Brexit work" and "deliver change" in Scotland - but would not do a deal with the SNP

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  • jordi_89
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    Originally posted by Artoo View Post

    I don’t personally like May’s politics, but she actually got the job done in my opinion. She got a Brexit deal and her party kept voting against it. I do think there was sexism involved in the coup, and Boris’ deal was pretty bad in the end, I thought.

    May had a certain confident dignity in how conducted herself, whereas Boris was a Del Boy with an education. Truss is just a deer caught in headlights.
    Well put. Exactly. They're all terrible people, or at best just boring and unprepared to do the job. But the ones targeted seemed to be one particular group.

    The rest of Europe doesn't seem to be doing so well either, so who am I to judge.

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  • Artoo
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    Originally posted by Plym View Post
    and michael jackson never performed on totp, so what. im not gonna let a member of the truss brigade slander his good name
    He ruined it all on his own, sadly. Labour should have picked a stronger successor to Blair and we could have avoided not only this entire Tory mess, but the Brexit mess too.

    I’ve said it before but the worst think Labour did was let David Miliband slip through it’s fingers. How in the hell Ed Miliband ever became party leader is beyond me. He was an absolute joke of a candidate, terrible party leader and so incompetent it made Jeremy Corbyn look like a good idea.

    Labour only has itself to blame and I frankly I hate them for it (even though I keep voting for them). It’s one thing to hate the Tories for their utter inability to run a country, but something all together worse when there isn’t a viable alternative.

    The tragedy is that the only way Labour will win is if the Tories mess up so badly even their own supporters switch parties.

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  • Plym
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    Originally posted by Artoo View Post

    So great he never won a general election.
    and michael jackson never performed on totp, so what. im not gonna let a member of the truss brigade slander his good name

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