U.K. Politics: Nadine Dorries resigns her post as MP - or does she?

[Artoo]

^ I guess we exit with no deal - interesting times are ahead of us.

Yup. Either it’s no deal as she’s promised countless times or the EU will change the deal (which I don’t see happening).

[BeeBoy]

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What about the borders then for example? Isn't that all part of the deal as well? Going without a deal will be even more of a mess

[aRat]

They had 2 years and a No Deal is the result?

[Rihab]

In a bitter divorce, who doesn’t want everything their way?

This is not a bitter divorce, far from it. In a bitter divorce, Brussels has a fence and an 'EU army' protect the Irish border, invests billions to achieve Irish reunification and Scottish independence, blocks any country that wants a trade deal with the EU from signing a trade deal with the UK and directs any potential immigration wave right into the channel tunnel. Brussels is the queen of pettiness.

[KEY9481]

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France to accelerate preparation for a no-deal Brexit.

[aRat]

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France to accelerate preparation for a no-deal Brexit.

DDDd trying to end them as quickly as possible, France always loves to **** the UK over

[Rihab]

My bet is one side will eventually cave in to prevent a no-deal Brexit. It might be the Tories, but Labour is more likely imo. It might take a while, possibly until 10:59pm on March 29, but it'll happen. We (and Theresa) just need to wait and see.

[Wayne]

They had 2 years and a No Deal is the result?

This is what happens when 3/4 of parliamentary MPs don’t want to leave a union that 52% of the voters did - the people’s representatives are not doing what they have been tasked to do.

A simple YES/NO referendum campaign and the subsequent lying on both sides thereafter was a disgrace. Those that voted leave likely wanted a clean break from the EU, May’s deal delivers a version of that but it isn’t strong enough to satisfy either side.

The lack of progression in the last 2 years is shocking and that’s because we are a divided country. The MPs need to be held to account by their constituents.

[KEY9481]

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To be quite honest, 52% was not enough to dive in for such a big decision and a life changing event for the whole country.

[BeeBoy]

To be quite honest, 52% was not enough to dive in for such a big decision and a life changing event for the whole country.

True I would like to know what would happen if they'd allow a second vote now

[Wayne]

To be quite honest, 52% was not enough to dive in for such a big decision and a life changing event for the whole country.

What number would be big enough?

A referendum requires a majority, and a majority won out - if you then start to get into the detail because the result doesn’t go your way, it’s pointless ever having the referendum to begin with.

1.2 million more people voted to leave than stay.

I think the bigger issue is how the leave campaign misled voters, rather than the winning margin.

[urbanmusik]

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The people of Northern Ireland are being done so wrong. The Tories, DUP and Sinn Feinn don’t care about us at all.

[heppolo]

To be quite honest, 52% was not enough to dive in for such a big decision and a life changing event for the whole country.

What number would be big enough?

A referendum requires a majority, and a majority won out - if you then start to get into the detail because the result doesn’t go your way, it’s pointless ever having the referendum to begin with.

1.2 million more people voted to leave than stay.

I think the bigger issue is how the leave campaign misled voters, rather than the winning margin.

50% of the registered voters would have been more fair (the case and precedent was set during the 1979 Scottish Referendum where a 51.6% result was effectively overturned by only a 63.7% turnout)

[heppolo]

The people of Northern Ireland are being done so wrong. The Tories, DUP and Sinn Feinn don’t care about us at all.

at least, Sinn Fein doesn't have ancient views on social issues like DUP and hardline Tories, but as far as I can see no party really cares about the economy.

[stevyy]

For everyone with brains:

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[stevyy]

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Gist: The UK voted in favour of 95% of all EU laws!

[stevyy]

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watching these 2 videos really riled me up. How can an entire nation be so brain-washed when they were able to withstand brain washing for the last 2000 years? Were there really no sane people out there who proved the pro Brexit ppl wrong? Why has the whole "fake news" slur become so popular in an educated European country?

[heppolo]

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May PMQ's answers once again turned into ''look, how bad Corbyn is''.

[heppolo]

watching these 2 videos really riled me up. How can an entire nation be so brain-washed when they were able to withstand brain washing for the last 2000 years? Were there really no sane people out there who proved the pro Brexit ppl wrong? Why has the whole "fake news" slur become so popular in an educated European country?

As long as migration, racial dynamics and Islam in general were misrepresented as threats (or at least, dogwhistled) to the general british public by the right-wing media, EU was the first one to blame.
Moreover, people's anger, resentment with the political class had to be channeled somewhere and EU served as the bogeyman.

[jio]

The unpopularity of the EU is an almost EU-wide phenomenon. I would assume that the average European does not want to leave the EU but not because he believes in it but because he/she somehow believes that life outside the EU is far worse. Something that remains so far unproven.

As far as Stevvy's videos... well I will watch them later but calling people who agree with him "people with brains" is a bit narrow-minded.

[Wayne]

watching these 2 videos really riled me up. How can an entire nation be so brain-washed when they were able to withstand brain washing for the last 2000 years? Were there really no sane people out there who proved the pro Brexit ppl wrong? Why has the whole "fake news" slur become so popular in an educated European country?

Not everyone that disagrees with your point of view is brainwashed.

[heppolo]

The unpopularity of the EU is an almost EU-wide phenomenon. I would assume that the average European does not want to leave the EU but not because he believes in it but because he/she somehow believes that life outside the EU is far worse.

It's not only the EU, but the whole bureacracy and political class. There's no trust in the traditional political parties and ideologies ever since all of them failed. As long as that is the case people will mostly revert to simplistic authoritarian politics that can offer easy answers for the very complicated issues.

[jio]

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Of course it is. But the problem begins with the EU. Because the democratic deficit present currently in European countries is directly linked to the EU and the way it works. It was designed that way anyway but it cannot continue working that way. The side-effects are numerous and quite obvious and Brexit is only one of them.

[heppolo]

Of course it is. But the problem begins with the EU. Because the democratic deficit present currently in European countries is directly linked to the EU and the way it works. It was designed that way anyway but it cannot continue working that way. The side-effects are numerous and quite obvious and Brexit is only one of them.

South America and U.S. don't have the EU, yet they are also feeling the masses being increasingly angry and dissatisfied with their bureacracy and the powerful class. EU bureacracy shenanigans look like a humble pie in comparison to a plain sight robbery the authoritarian regimes usually represent.
Only the most authoritarian regimes manage to contain and subvert the public sentiment, it feels like China's social credit system might be the ultimate solution for the powerful to keep the public in total control, which can be implemented globally in the nearest future.

[jio]

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Mmm I would strongly question that. What you have in the US and Latin America is indeed what you describe- deep dissatisfaction of politics as usual and choosing an alternative road. In the EU that's not what you have. In the EU what you have is inability to choose an alternative road by voting alone so extra actions are needed-hence Brexit and whatever exits both the far right and the far left are advocating. The EU is generally seen as changing the will of the people thus hurting democracy for the benefit of a small number of nations and that is not similar to anything that might be happening in the US or Latin America. Putting them all together just distracts from the reality.