U.K. Politics: Nadine Dorries resigns her post as MP - or does she?

[AlphaMale]

Ive been saying that here for months!

[MENTION=3976]menime123[/MENTION] Are you a brexiter? Do you think a no deal is better?

[heppolo]

Scotland and Ireland will prolly come for England's wig too.

nil points for that Brexit swan song then

[KEY9481]

[MENTION=3976]menime123[/MENTION] Are you a brexiter? Do you think a no deal is better?

Dont even start him omg

[Artoo]

@menime123 Are you a brexiter? Do you think a no deal is better?

No.

I voted to remain. I wanted to remain. But the conduct of the EU means if we were to vote again, I’d vote to leave. As much as I wanted to remain I’ve accepted the outcome of the referendum and do believe we should be leaving based entirely on that. If the EU isn’t giving us a deal we like then logically we must leave without one. It doesn’t scare me and I don’t buy into the scaremongering that basically suggests we’re doomed for all eternity if we leave without one.

Do I want to leave without a deal? At this stage, yes. It is now time to call the EU’s bluff and just leave. Their recent suggestion that we should stay in the EU because we rejected their deal makes me feel like that was their plan all along, and amongst all of the madness of the last few months (where every politician has tried every feasible way to topple the government) I’m not surprised they feel this way.

I feel it all boils down to the Irish backstop now and frankly, I have no idea why we aren’t just saying to the EU that we will not enforce a border - if you want to that’s fine, but you explain it to Ireland. Clearly it’s a lot more complicated than that but that summarises my feelings on it.

All I know is that I feel strongly about no second referendum or delaying Brexit. If we aren’t out by the end of March I’ll be most unimpressed.

It’s not like delaying it means we’ll win Eurovision

[AlphaMale]

You will not be doomed for all eternity, but the next couple of years will be very tough on the people if the UK leaves without a deal. Of course the EU is playing hard, they don't want to facilitate the exit of any member from the union, because that would jeopardize the all concept.
But leaving without a deal would leave the UK isolated without any trade deal. And as you know, international trade deals have rules over seed by the WTO to Wich the EU is a very important member. If it took 18 months to reach a deal with the EU, it means that it would take at least the same amount of time for the UK to reach a trade deal outside the EU. Those 18 months would be terrible for you. And I say 18 months in a perfect scenario, Wich is now very far from it.

[Artoo]

I have no doubt we’d use our influence behind closed doors to get trades sorted across the globe. But personally I’d encourage us - in a no deal scenario - to take advantage of our own farming industry and turn to local produce. Food prices always increase anyway, so at least this time we’d actually know why. They’ve already used Brexit to increase them anyway.

[AlphaMale]

But even if the UK starts making their own produce, it will take years until you see the results. You can use your influence behind closed doors, but in this global market of today, I don't think you can pull it off. I mean, the UK is an important market for any company in the world, but so is the EU with all its 27 countries. I still think a no deal is the worst it could happen for both the EU and the UK, but mostly to the UK.

[AlphaMale]

Also I buy a lot of stuff from Amazon UK, but if you guys leave like that, I have to start buying German

[Artoo]

I mean, it’s never going to be perfect. We already do farm, but not enough to feed the entire country... but the farmers would welcome an increase in custom I’m sure. Vegetables don’t take years either

That all said, we won’t starve. I doubt we will leave without a deal too - I suspect the EU may cave at the last minute if it wants the divorce money. I also believe they’ve discussed stuff with May privately that isn’t public knowledge, and that what we are seeing is all just a political game somehow.

Alli I know is that things will sort themselves out and the scaremongering I just that.

[AlphaMale]

I don't think the EU is gonna cave, they want to show that it's hard to leave and that there will be consequences if one does leave. And what better example than to "punish" a country like the UK?
Also I've read that nearly 60% of the food the UK imports, comes from the EU. That's a big blow to the UK if on the 29th of March there's no deal in place.
I think that the UK will postpone the brexit for a few months or take the deal as it is. And that means staying without the power of making any decisions about the EU.
As for the money, the EU will get it one way or another, because the UK doesn't want to be in default, because that would undermine the possibility of getting money from international institutions.

[ludichris]

What does all of this mean for the deficit? We will see when the next government revenue and expenditure figures are revealed. The deficit will worsen, we know that. I'm saving money just in case!

[heppolo]

But even if the UK starts making their own produce, it will take years until you see the results. You can use your influence behind closed doors, but in this global market of today, I don't think you can pull it off. I mean, the UK is an important market for any company in the world, but so is the EU with all its 27 countries. I still think a no deal is the worst it could happen for both the EU and the UK, but mostly to the UK.

In the long run, it might be better for the UK, but I guess not during the next decade or so.

[AlphaMale]

In the long run, it might be better for the UK, but I guess not during the next decade or so.

But who's gonna work the land. I reckon that most Brits voted out because o immigration...

[heppolo]

But who's gonna work the land. I reckon that most Brits voted out because o immigration...

Partly true, but England is pretty overcrowded already in comparison to even continental Europe.

[Artoo]

I don't think the EU is gonna cave, they want to show that it's hard to leave and that there will be consequences if one does leave. And what better example than to "punish" a country like the UK?
Also I've read that nearly 60% of the food the UK imports, comes from the EU. That's a big blow to the UK if on the 29th of March there's no deal in place.
I think that the UK will postpone the brexit for a few months or take the deal as it is. And that means staying without the power of making any decisions about the EU.
As for the money, the EU will get it one way or another, because the UK doesn't want to be in default, because that would undermine the possibility of getting money from international institutions.

Well we’ll pay what is required, naturally. But not the extra stated in the deal. The deal is dead unless the EU backdown on Ireland. It’s as simple as that - there is no other votes on the deal so the deal as it stands is dead.

Just because we haven’t got a deal doesn’t mean we can’t trade with the EU. Our food will still come from there - suppliers and businesses will have contracts in place anyway - we just have to pay more for it... and I think everyone expects Brexit to put the price of food up.

I think the cost of essentials will remain the same as most essentials are British produce and most supermarkets already stock British meat. They also stock meat from outside the EU which then isn’t going to change in cost. Even if costs increase, supermarkets will fight to make other products more expensive in order to keep essentials down... it’s not uncommon for supermarkets to use items as ‘loss leaders’, where they underprice items in order to get people through the door (and get people buying other costlier items).

Politically the EU still requires a good working relationship with the UK: we are neighbours and can still be supporters of each other on the world stage. The EU also has to consider the implications on businesses that work with the UK too - who is to say we will continue to buy food (for example) from the EU if it’s cheaper else where?

[Artoo]

But who's gonna work the land. I reckon that most Brits voted out because o immigration...

The irony here is most UK farmers use seasonal farmers from the continent - during strawberry picking season etc.

If the government decide it needs to increase British farming then it’ll have to figure out a career strategy for it and get younger people interested. I know you can go to college and university go study aspects of farming (animal rearing and business etc), but ultimately it will need to find a way of encouraging local communities to work for local farms again.

I would love that to happen. I try to buy British produce as often and as much as I can. I love a farmers market and farm shops. There’s something strangely satisfying in knowing the people who grew or raised your food... and there shouldn’t be as that’s how it should be - it’s the idea that sitting down to a meal and having food on your plate from 4 different continents that should be strange.

[Kpop]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...-a8760756.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-a8760361.html

Sunderland voted by a large margin to leave the EU. To those in Sunderland who voted to leave the EU, especially the Nissan Workers: Enjoy

[Artoo]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/b...-a8760756.html

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-a8760361.html

Sunderland voted by a large margin to leave the EU. To those in Sunderland who voted to leave the EU, especially the Nissan Workers: Enjoy

Do you know how many times a similar article has appeared? This story isn’t new - Nissan has been on the verge of closing for over 20 years. I know people who work there - don’t believe the scaremongering.

Are you not tired of being of hating on Brexiteers yet? Hate the difference of opinion, not the people - you’re suggesting mass unemployment would be a good thing simply because you disagree with their politics. Try being a labour supporter under a Tory government for the last 10 years.

Holding onto your bitterness will only hurt you and no one else. You have to find the positives in everything and work with what you have got.

[Kpop]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8765606.html

"Special place in hell" for those who promoted Brexit without any plan.

[Rihab]

Brexit: UK has rolled over just £16bn out of £117bn trade deals
Liam Fox has agreed deals with only seven of 69 countries covered by EU arrangements

The government’s push to roll over EU trade deals from which the UK currently benefits has yielded agreements covering only £16bn of the near-£117bn of British trade with the countries involved.

Despite frenetic efforts by ministers to ensure the continuity of international trade after the UK leaves the EU on 29 March, the international trade secretary, Liam Fox, has so far only managed to secure deals with seven of the 69 countries that the UK currently trades with under preferential EU free trade agreements, which will end after Brexit.

Fox’s department has yet to sign agreements with several major UK trading partners – including Canada, Japan, South Korea and Turkey – while sources have said that sufficient progress is unlikely to be made before the Brexit deadline in less than 50 days’ time.

Canada, Japan, South Korea and Turkey alone accounted for goods exports worth £25bn in 2017 and imports of merchandise worth £28.6bn, with the UK currently able to access these markets on preferential terms as part of membership of the EU.

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https://www.theguardian.com/business...trade-deals-eu

So the UK is not only about to lose free trade with the EU, but also trade deals with 62 other countries.

[Kpop]

It's such a shame that sleazy Brexiteers like Fox, who claimed that making deals would be the easiest thing in history, thrive

[heppolo]

It's such a shame that sleazy Brexiteers like Fox, who claimed that making deals would be the easiest thing in history, thrive

Yeah, the only bad thing is that Tory Brexiteers profit off this whole debacle, who knew?

[aRat]

Brexit: UK has rolled over just £16bn out of £117bn trade deals
Liam Fox has agreed deals with only seven of 69 countries covered by EU arrangements




So the UK is not only about to lose free trade with the EU, but also trade deals with 62 other countries.

Umm WTF? They should stop obsessing over the less talented Kardashians aka The Royal Family and get to WORK. They need to get their sh!t together, many peoples jobs & well being depend on stuff like this...

[heppolo]

Meanwhile, some Labour centrists have attempted to split the party (7 MPs resigning from Labour Party feels kinda lame for all that fuss).

[Artoo]

Meanwhile, some Labour centrists have attempted to split the party (7 MPs resigning from Labour Party feels kinda lame for all that fuss).

It’s a step in the right direction. The Labour Party has suffered terribly over the last decade. It doesn’t feel like we are (yes, I’m a labour supporter) reclaiming seats and votes through policy and visions of future, but simply because people are sick of The Tory party.

I have never liked Corbyn and have no idea how he secured his seat after his leadership was challenged by his own MPs. Ed Miliband was an absolute joke and Corbyn is far too left for my liking. I stand firm in my belief that David Miliband would have turned the party around after Gordon Brown failed (he just couldn’t lead).

The thing everyone seems to have forgotten is that Blair only won by moving from the left into a more central position, and Cameron only won because he did exactly the same thing with the Conservative party. Now we seem to have extremely right Tories trying to pull the strings within their party (which May has done incredibly well to shut down along the way) and we have the Labour Party more to the left than it has been for decades.

No wonder neither party can secure a majority. We haven’t had a party win a comfortable majority since Labour in 2005 (technically the Tories won outright in 2015 but 12 seats is hardly a majority - which is why May called her disaster of an election in 2017). Something has to change.

7 centrist MPs have left labour today, true. Whilst not an official party yet (its not yet registered) they’ve decided to call themselves The Independent Group. I wish them luck and will watch with interest on what they stand for and offer.