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  • My god Graham, it's no surprise why you're so caught up with this ideal of going back to the hunter gatherer days when your tainted view of this world is completely prehistoric!

    If you look at the money spent on education, you'll see that it has certainly gone some way to help young kids gain the skills needed for a more successful life. The cash injection into Apprenceships is a great example when you consider that students are not only being educated in the classroom but also out there in the 'real world' gaining transferable skills that can easily be applied to any given situation. Whilst as adults it's incredibly easy for us to look back at our own education and say 'if only they taught me how to buy a house, life would be easier' but the whole point of education is not to spoon feed children by literally taking a situation and saying 'do this', it's to allow them the opportunity to develop their minds to think critically for themselves.

    As for education fostering racism et al, that's absolute bull.

    if it wasn't for widening participation, particularly at a higher education level, then many underprivileged children would never have the opportunity to further themselves and achieve the kind of roles that were once held for the more elite among us. People tend to kick back at society if they feel underprivileged, and that's what breeds gangs and anticsocial behaviour, not education itself.

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    • I'm not arguing going back to any time in the past. It's just that the human body hasn't changed from all those years ago.

      It's not the skills that people learn or anything that education does that is the cause of our problems, it simply being mixed with people of the same age during daylight hours for five days a week, between the age of 12 and 21.

      Yes you do get highly skilled workforce, though many teachers would argue that's not the purpose of education. However that isn't working out in practice. This is best summed up in the lyrics to a song:
      My father is a doctor, he's a family man
      My mother works for charity whenever she can
      They're both good clean Americans who abide by the law
      And they both stick up for liberty and they both support the war
      My happiness was paid for when they laid their money down
      For summers in a summer camp and winters in the tow

      My future in the system was talked about and planned
      But I gave it up for music and the free electric band

      I went to school in hand-washed shirts with neatly ordered hair
      And the school was big and newly built and filled with light and air
      And the teacher taught us values that we had to learn to keep
      And he clipped the ear of many idle kid who went to sleep
      Then my father organized for me a college in the east
      But I went to California, the sunshine and the beach

      My parents and my lecturers could never understand
      Why I gave it up for music and the free electric band

      Well, they used to sit and speculate upon their son's career
      A lawyer or a doctor or a civil engineer

      Just give me bread and water, put a guitar in my hand
      'Cause all I need is music and the free electric band


      The cause of this was the direct effect of this guy's hormones during puberty and the fact he was mixing with kids who no nothing of the "real world".
      I've highlighted the main thing in that song. The fact that those who think like you Thombus, don't understand when what should have been is thrown in their face.
      The chap above in the lyrics is not uncommon either, Mick Jagger was supposed to be an accountant for example.
      Gangs are created, because the education system isolates young people and because they are in class together the gangs form up then and outside, because they do not mix with a wide range of people. In fact it's not encouraged at all for young people to hang around with adults, since the fear of sex, still a taboo subject in Western countries, would come into the lives of the young people.
      The result of not mixing with the adults is anti-social behaviour. The problem gets worse with each new generation. I can give you an example from an old neighbour of mine.
      The first thing you need to know was this couple were not married, another effect of not mixing with adults, I'm afraid. The education they had made them wise enough to find a way to work the system to allow them to move house when the going gets tough for them. He "worked" at a scrap yard, she didn't. They had 3 kids. The couple I would say were about average intelligence. They would have got mostly C in exams for example I would say. As I said they had 3 kids one about 13 - a boy, a girl aged 12, and another boy aged 10. To bring these kids up correctly they needed to understand life. They didn't. In fact they didn't understand the kids at all. The 13 year old lad, was simple to understand. He was on par with his parents. C grade material. The girl was way above them. She was A grade, though I doubt that the teachers in the school had any inkling of that. Her home offered nothing to keep her mind occupied and so she larked around, getting into trouble at the drop of a hat. The third child was aged 10 but going on five mentally. Really behind and should have gone to a special school. A real handful and troublesome in the local area.
      When these kids have grown up do you think the education system will have sorted there issues out, or just make it worse.
      I could mention the middle class woman I knew, who rejected her family yet was highly educated, use to give her wages to the poor unskilled nursery workers in the underprivileged areas, as she felt it absolutely necessary to work in. While at the same time supporting left-wing polices, women etc and later on working inside the Blair government on educational issues on the keywords that these people go on about. Nowadays - for what the Sun would call a "loony lefty" - she lives in a several million pound house Not bad eh!
      Education for anyone aged 12 to 16 has made a mess of the world!

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      • Originally posted by Graham76man
        It's not the skills that people learn or anything that education does that is the cause of our problems, it simply being mixed with people of the same age during daylight hours for five days a week, between the age of 12 and 21.
        So in effect your entire argument isn't based around 'education', you're basing it on social conditioning alone, and with that, your utter disdain for it. What would you prefer instead of children being among other children during their adolescence - something akin to the story of Genie? The fact is children do have the opportunity to mix with adults all the time, be it through enrichment activities outside of school, in the family home, at school with their tutors - I genuinely don't think that taking kids out of school at 12 years old to play with the big boys on a more frequent basis is going to save the country or the next generation

        Originally posted by Graham76man
        The cause of this was the direct effect of this guy's hormones during puberty and the fact he was mixing with kids who no nothing of the "real world".
        Seriously, put down the weed.

        Originally posted by Graham76man
        The first thing you need to know was this couple were not married, another effect of not mixing with adults, I'm afraid.
        Yes, I'm all to aware that every child who attends school ends up un-married due to their severe lack of mixing with adults. Funny, I got married last year yet I didn't leave school at 12...I must be an anomaly.

        I'm going to bypass your reference to your neighbours, because it makes no sense, and I can't be bothered to dissect it and point out everything that's incredibly wrong with it. Also, I think we're very quickly descending into something that will be of absolutely no interest to any other users wishing to peruse a thread on the General Election.

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        • Nice to know then you will be voting for the Liberal Democrats who the other day announced they will be spending millions of pounds on education.

          As for the Genie case it relates to a pre-puberty individual. Sticking children in schools before puberty development starts has no effect on the social-skills development. It's exactly the protected environment that the hunter/gather did 10,000 years ago. Genie's father probably developed the idea of doing that from his own education experiences.

          Incidentally the increase in drug use and the weed you mention is in direct response to the questioning of the adult world during the puberty processes. Especially during the 60's. In other words anything you superiors - that can be teachers, parents, politicians and the like think is wrong, must be good. Since everyone in the class at school is 14 they have the same attitude as you and it quickly becomes a norm. If a 14 year old was mixing with people who were 21, 34, 44 and 55, years of age (even in a classroom environment) that notion would quickly get knock on the head, providing of course such people were not all weed takers, caused by them having it drilled into their heads when 14.
          Education for anyone aged 12 to 16 has made a mess of the world!

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          • Thombus
            The first thing you need to know was this couple were not married, another effect of not mixing with adults, I'm afraid.

            Yes, I'm all to aware that every child who attends school ends up un-married due to their severe lack of mixing with adults. Funny, I got married last year yet I didn't leave school at 12...I must be an anomaly.
            Not at all, how long you can stay married is the question? Your choice of partner is simply based on the people (more likely kids) you meet probably around when you are 14. I call it person patterning. You model your own personality on the people you have regular contact with, during daylight hours only! You are also selecting the types of traits you like in potential partners. Sometimes these are that powerful that the person marries the person they went to school with who embodies these traits. Many of us though select traits from several people. You might not even work this out till many years after you leave school. I certainly didn't. For example if you encounter say a girl who's a bit bubbly - personality wise, you might find yourself falling for someone with that trait many years later.
            I don't know anything about your relationship or your age, but your educational experience could have simply caused you to get married far too early in life instead. The crunch comes around 27 to 29 when most likely Saturn comes around to the point of your birth and shuts down the hormones, if they are still working, that caused puberty. Many rock stars have felt the effect of the Saturn return with dire consequences.

            Count yourself lucky, I uncounted a girl at 14 who was in love with me, but couldn't do or did anything about it! Try getting married when you are looking for a woman who's like that!
            Education for anyone aged 12 to 16 has made a mess of the world!

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            • Originally posted by Graham76man

              Count yourself lucky, I uncounted a girl at 14 who was in love with me, but couldn't do or did anything about it! Try getting married when you are looking for a woman who's like that!

              Why would you be looking for a woman who's like that? :-?
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              • Originally posted by SholasBoy
                Originally posted by Graham76man

                Count yourself lucky, I uncounted a girl at 14 who was in love with me, but couldn't do or did anything about it! Try getting married when you are looking for a woman who's like that!

                Why would you be looking for a woman who's like that? :-?
                That's simple "body chemistry".
                The hormones and the other mysterious smells etc that we all produce effect how we perceive each other. Of course you don't actually go deliberately looking for someone who has that quality, but when you encounter one, the attraction will be there. If you like I can smell a commitment phobia woman a mile off

                Cliff Richard summed up a similar type of attraction in the song Heart User. In fact these type of heart break songs are full of people falling for the wrong types. Stand By Your Man comes to mind too.
                All these types are simply encoded that way when we are about 14, just like I was.

                I was watching Doctors today and an older teacher fell for a 15 year old boy and got pregnant by him, she was of course arrested for sex abuse. But it does show you how society has changed to make this a crime. The famous diarist John Evelyn (17th century) not only had a 14 year old girl, he married her. In fact it was very common to marry at an earlier age too. Though many actually delayed getting married till way after 21.

                Just wanted to also say the education is an election issue, so anyone thinking that voting for who party who think it is a cure for the country's problems is barking up the wrong tree. Which is what I'm pointing out in this thread.

                I have also got my postal vote and filled it in and it will be posted tomorrow.
                Education for anyone aged 12 to 16 has made a mess of the world!

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                • Originally posted by Marius
                  Originally posted by Graham76man
                  Education also fosters racism, extreme radical views
                  Yeah, all UKIP / BNP / EDL supporters, are known to hold PhDs and MBAs...


                  Graham.... I never say this...but...I can't...

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                  • This has all turned quite disturbing. Not sure Cliff Richard lyrics are the best justification here.
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                    • I'm curious to know what political party you could possibly be voting for who will outright state they won't be funding the education system in this country?

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                      • Originally posted by Thombus
                        I'm curious to know what political party you could possibly be voting for who will outright state they won't be funding the education system in this country?
                        Monster Raving Loony Party

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                        • Originally posted by SholasBoy
                          This has all turned quite disturbing. Not sure Cliff Richard lyrics are the best justification here.
                          Ste's Personal Chart 2020

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                          • Originally posted by Thombus
                            I'm curious to know what political party you could possibly be voting for who will outright state they won't be funding the education system in this country?
                            I've already stated which party I have voted for.
                            As for the rest of the comment I have already answered that in a previous reply when I stated that nobody in any political party believes that education is to blame for the problems the world faces. On the contrary politicians believe it will cure these problems. But do anyone one of you think there's a cure for anything without side effects? Would you continue to use a cure that actually is making the problems worse with each generation?

                            We are simply flesh and blood. Ruled by electrical and chemical impulses.
                            For example - To make athletes - you need to have high level of steroids - if you don't there's no way you will win Gold at the Olympics.

                            The Pituitary gland is called the master gland. It is found at the base of the brain, near another important gland, the hypothalamus.
                            It plays a central role in regulating the secretions from many other hormone-secreting glands of the body. It is very small (pea-size) in relation to some structures of equal importance, i.e. the heart. It influences so many areas of the body! Directly and indirectly it controls your growth, urine production, blood chemistry and reproductive activities. It also stimulates the growth of bone and other body tissues. It plays a role in the body's handling of nutrients and mineral in electrolyte balance. It stimulates the thyroid gland to produce thyroid hormones and it stimulates the adrenal glands to produce other hormones. It triggers the contractions of the uterus that occur during labor and activates milk production at birth.
                            I've included this quote to show how everything we do is controlled by our body. There's nothing any different from me being attracted to a certain type of woman, than why many of the men on this site fancy men. Do they think they have free will or something to do that?
                            What's even more interesting is why so many gay men want to talk about pop music on this site. Something which normally is the preserve of teenagers.
                            But the link is obvious to me, some facts for you:
                            1) Gay culture developed at the same time as the education school leaving age went pass the age of 14.
                            2) Pop music came about at precisely the same time as the school leaving age went above 14.
                            3) Teenagers became "teenagers" when the school leaving age went pass 14. The word had not even been invented before that year.
                            4) The school leaving age went pass 14 in 1948.
                            Which political party was responsible for this act of 1948? Labour of course. But Mrs T was also responsible for the more destructive phase, when it went to 16 in 1973/4. She was at the time attacked only for removing the milk from schools. But to be fair most schools were no longer giving it out anyway. By the way she extended the school leaving age, to honour a Labour commitment. Which they had broken.
                            Education for anyone aged 12 to 16 has made a mess of the world!

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                            • Originally posted by Graham76man
                              The school leaving age went pass 14 in 1948.
                              1947 actually.

                              Originally posted by Graham76man
                              Gay culture developed at the same time as the education school leaving age went pass the age of 14.
                              There isn't a link between education in the UK and what you'd probably consider "gay culture", which wasn't publicly acknowledged until 1969 after the Stonewall riots in the US.

                              Originally posted by Graham76man
                              Which political party was responsible for this act of 1948? Labour of course.
                              The Education Act 1944 was actually introduced by a Conservative, Rab Butler, but it wasn't implemented until 1947 because of WW2.

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                              • Originally posted by Brad
                                Originally posted by Graham76man
                                The school leaving age went pass 14 in 1948.
                                1947 actually.

                                Originally posted by Graham76man
                                Gay culture developed at the same time as the education school leaving age went pass the age of 14.
                                There isn't a link between education in the UK and what you'd probably consider "gay culture", which wasn't publicly acknowledged until 1969 after the Stonewall riots in the US.

                                Originally posted by Graham76man
                                Which political party was responsible for this act of 1948? Labour of course.
                                The Education Act 1944 was actually introduced by a Conservative, Rab Butler, but it wasn't implemented until 1947 because of WW2.
                                Yeah on the dates thing, I didn't consult my notes, trying to remember everything from memory. Though Grammar Schools kept kids to 16 anyway. That's why many middle class and rich kids messed up their lives early then working class kids did.

                                You are wrong on the link with Gay culture. There are plenty. You just need to look. As I said before puberty causes people to question the status quo and the Stonewall riots are just a form of this questioning not cancelled out. "Gay" itself was from the University types debating the rights of people again attacking the status quo on things. It's actually one of the more positive outcomes of what I call "education culture". But the bad side effects outweigh the good. Anti racism is another one of the positive ones. There's quite a bit of linkage between the two and you can chuck feminists in with those two movements.

                                For more details see my blog:
                                http://therealchart.blogspot.co.uk/p...ed-people.html
                                This part covers a great deal of the side effects of the education culture.

                                Butler is covered under this part:
                                http://therealchart.blogspot.co.uk/2...chapter-1.html

                                I haven't yet added more of the information that covers other aspects of the work I did on this. To be honest I haven't had the time to complete the theory.
                                Education for anyone aged 12 to 16 has made a mess of the world!

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                                • So no one is going to remove Thombus' "Jimmy Savile" pic? Not only does it contain an f bomb (apparently forbidden on a "family forum") but it alludes to Graham being a paedophile.
                                  Which is not what he was saying. Though his original sentence is rather messily written, i'll admit.

                                  "Uncounted"? Uncourted?
                                  He meant he was looking to marry from then AS a 14-yr old then, not now TO a 14-yr old now. I think his history nugget later is all that is, not a justification for HIS practices.

                                  It's all rather off-topic, anyway.

                                  What does he propose, home schooling from 12 onwards? A complete education gap until 21? Night time single sex classes only? You can't stop horny teens meeting each other and to exclude the most important aspect of teenhood from the daytime schedule is nuts. Part of the reason it's in the daytime and to a strict schedule is to prepare them for the schedule of a working day. Start restricting education to the home and outside of the norm and you end up with kids going off to the middle east to join ISIS. That's how cliques and cults start. There is talk of having sociology as a key part of sex education - because usually they only talk about the physical, not the emotional implications so things like issues of consent are being introduced. More of this kind of attitude in schools would lead to them being more ready for the adult world.
                                  He also assumes that 100% of teens are only bothered about who they want to s*rew and don't bother actively seeking out a decent start in life. We are not ruled by our hormones, the planets or anything else more than we are our brains. We can choose what we want in life, most of the time. I hated most of my time in senior school but i wouldn't want to change the process at all. I am not the product of my secondary education, i'm the product of my pre-school infancy. Start with the home, not the school. That's where the problems are.

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                                  • Cameron in a mess over "tampon tax".

                                    listen

                                    Posted 18 minutes ago by Evan Bartlett (@ev_bartlett) in people

                                    Forget Evan Davis, Andrew Neil or Emily Maitlis, David Cameron has faced his toughest BBC interview yet - from a group of young listeners on Radio 1’s Live Lounge.

                                    The prime minister took part in a half hour Q&A with a group of young people where he was relentlessly grilled on issues like the LGBT community, the SNP and the “tampon tax”.

                                    Presenter Chris Smith even offered Mr Cameron a £1,000 wager that he would not win a majority at the election (an offer he did not decide to take him up on).

                                    However, his biggest problem came with the living wage. After a particularly heated exchange with April from West London, in which the prime minister was repeatedly pressed on whether he would like to see a living wage introduced and if he could live off £6.50 an hour (the minimum wage), he became really unstuck when Smith asked him about one crucial piece of information.

                                    Here’s a brief transcript:

                                    You do know how much the living wage is don’t you?

                                    Chris Smith
                                    Well it depends on different parts of the country. And we pay, and for instance…

                                    David Cameron
                                    Outside London then?

                                    Chris Smith
                                    For instance, in Downing Street we pay the living wage and I want more parts of government to do so…

                                    David Cameron
                                    Sorry, do you know how much the living wage is?

                                    Chris Smith
                                    Well in… it’s different in different parts of the country.

                                    David Cameron
                                    Ok, how much in London?

                                    Chris Smith
                                    I don’t have the figures in my head. But, it’s different to the living wage…

                                    David Cameron

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                                    Natalie Bennett gets a second chance now her cold has gone:
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                                    • LOL i have voting rights in the election of Councillors

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                                      • So, how are we all voting?
                                        • In person, on the day[/*:m:14npsuoh]
                                        • By post[/*:m:14npsuoh]
                                        • By proxy[/*:m:14npsuoh]

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                                        • Originally posted by Wayne
                                          So, how are we all voting?
                                          • In person, on the day[/*:m:30xmeql0]
                                          • By post[/*:m:30xmeql0]
                                          • By proxy[/*:m:30xmeql0]
                                          Missed the deadline to register

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                                          • I registered by post by accident, so I had to re-register to do it in person.
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                                            • Originally posted by SholasBoy
                                              I registered by post by accident, so I had to re-register to do it in person.
                                              What difference does it make if you post your vote or turn up?
                                              Education for anyone aged 12 to 16 has made a mess of the world!

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                                              • Well if it's a postal one, I'm likely to forget to bother, but I will make the effort to go to the polling station on the day.
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                                                • I go out and vote at the polling stations - it's like the ultimate stamp of approval in a democratic society. Probably sounds really cringey.

                                                  This will be only my second vote - I probably only have 11 more votes left in my lifetime! I want to actually go and vote as often as I can, not just post it.

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                                                  • I go out and vote at the polling stations - it's like the ultimate stamp of approval in a democratic society. Probably sounds really cringey.

                                                    This will be only my second vote - I probably only have 11 more votes left in my lifetime! I want to actually go and vote as often as I can, not just post it.

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