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  • Originally posted by BeeBoy View Post

    I was thinking the exact same thing after reading the news. Suuuure It's only related to Covid
    keeping tories in power for another 10 years or so
    Waffles are checked cookies

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    • Originally posted by KEY9481 View Post
      At least they have an excuse and they now can blame something else other than Brexit.
      Originally posted by BeeBoy View Post

      I was thinking the exact same thing after reading the news. Suuuure It's only related to Covid
      Well, our GDP was broadly flat prior to COVID - yes, the economy wasn't growing but it also wasn't significantly retracting either due to so-called Brexit impact (though that will definitely come - all reputable economists point to there being a long-term, detrimental economic impact to the UK economy) and the key reason that our economy is now in the state it is in is linked to COVID and the subsequent increased, record-breaking borrowing that the government have had to do.

      I dread to think what Brexit will eventually do, especially with reference to the trade talks not exactly going very well...this time next year will be a very interesting time for the UK.

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      • I just had to share this because it is quite excellent

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        • She was fed up

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          • It's dreadful how those conservative right-wing goons now manage to get away with almost any sort of scandals these days. Incompetence has been normalized, as long as it is under the faux patriotism disguise.
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            • OH MATT HANCOCK! "Health Secretary, that's not my question..."

              That was a terrible rebuttal on Matt's part, and good on Kay for challenging him.

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              • Oh, it's all a total shambles! Good luck to the EU trying to get anywhere with this, good luck with the UK trying to get a trade deal - both sides have lost their bloody marbles.

                Brexit: EU starts legal action against UK over deal breach plan

                The EU has begun legal proceedings against the UK after it refused to ditch plans to override sections of its Brexit divorce deal.

                An EU deadline for the government to remove sections of the Internal Market Bill expired on Wednesday.

                The "letter of formal notice" could eventually lead to a court case against the UK at the European Court of Justice, the EU's top court.

                But the EU has not walked away from talks over a post-Brexit trade deal.

                European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said the UK would have until the end of November to respond to the EU's concerns over the draft legislation.

                UK-EU trade talks are continuing in Brussels this week. Prime Minister Boris Johnson has said both sides should "move on" if a deal was not reached by mid-October.

                In a brief statement, Mrs von der Leyen said the bill was a "full contradiction" of previous UK commitments over how a hard border on the island of Ireland should be avoided.

                She added that the bill was by its "very nature a breach of the obligation of good faith" contained in the withdrawal agreement that took the UK out of the EU in January.

                A spokesperson for the UK government said the bill was a necessary "safety net" to protect trade between different parts of the UK.

                They added the government would respond the EU's letter "in due course".

                Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte appeared to play down the importance of the Commission's letter, calling the move "more administrative than political".

                Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer called for both the UK and EU to work together over trade differences, adding: "A deal can be done here".

                "It's absurd that with weeks to go, the focus and the energy is not on their negotiations, it's on threatened court proceedings," he added.

                MPs gave their final backing to the Internal Market Bill earlier this week. However, it will have to be approved by the House of Lords before it becomes law.

                In a bid to head off a potential rebellion from Tory backbenchers, ministers have granted the Commons a say before powers to override the Brexit divorce deal could be used.

                The letter sent to the UK is the first stage in the process the Commission uses against countries it believes have broken EU law.

                It can end with the Commission taking governments to court at the European Court of Justice.

                The ECJ continues to have powers over the UK during the transition period, including over the interpretation and implementation of the withdrawal agreement.

                The court has powers to force countries to comply with its rulings, including imposing financial penalties.

                However, most cases are settled before then - and it can take many years for a case to move through the court.

                What is the Internal Market Bill?

                The bill sets out rules for the operation of the UK internal market - trade between England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland - after the end of the Brexit transition period in January.

                It proposes:
                • No new checks on goods moving from Northern Ireland to the rest of Great Britain
                • Giving UK ministers powers to modify or "disapply" rules relating to the movement of goods that will come into force from 1 January if the UK and EU are unable to reach an alternative agreement through a trade deal
                • Powers to override previously agreed obligations on state aid - government support for businesses.
                The bill explicitly states that these powers should apply even if they are incompatible with international law.

                Ministers say the legislation is needed to prevent "damaging" tariffs on goods travelling from the rest of the UK to Northern Ireland if negotiations with the EU on a free trade agreement fail.

                What powers does the EU have?
                Analysis by Nick Beake, BBC Brussels Correspondent

                Although the headline is dramatic, this was the EU's next logical step.

                When it fired the UK an ultimatum to scrap the most controversial parts of the Internal Market Bill by the end of September, it knew it would likely have to follow up on its threat. And now it has.

                But any legal path is long and unpredictable - with no resolution likely to come before the UK's transition period ends on 31 December.

                The legal advice given to the EU member states has been that for any alleged breach of the withdrawal agreement committed in 2020, they would have a further four years to pursue the UK.

                For any alleged breach committed after the transition period, the EU could use the dispute settlement mechanism (which both sides agreed to in the agreement) to penalise and fine the UK.

                Or, it could ask the European Court of Justice to do the same. But this is drawn out legal territory.

                It seems the latest legal development will not torpedo the ongoing trade talks - for now.

                Both sides insist they do want a deal within the coming weeks, but the EU says it won't sign one off, as long as the UK's bill remains as it is.

                The EU and the UK are now trying to walk two tightropes. And it's precarious balancing act.

                One route leads to a trade deal, the other to an ugly court battle.

                But both sides are looking dead ahead, and neither want to blink first.

                https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-54370226

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                • I’d be surprised if the Lords pass it.
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                  • Brexit going wrong, we sure did not see that coming.
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                    • Absolutely disgusting news that an MP with suspected COVID-19 travelled 400 miles on public transport... then 400 miles back after receiving confirmation she had the virus.

                      Throw the book at her.
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                      • Originally posted by menime123 View Post
                        Absolutely disgusting news that an MP with suspected COVID-19 travelled 400 miles on public transport... then 400 miles back after receiving confirmation she had the virus.

                        Throw the book at her.
                        Nicola Sturgeon is coming for her...

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                        • I hate being on the same page as Nicola Sturgeon though
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                          • That MP who travelled with COVID is being investigated by the Police...

                            London's Metropolitan Police and the British Transport Police have confirmed they are investigating Scottish National Party MP Margaret Ferrier after she returned to Scotland by train from London knowing she had tested positive for Covid-19.

                            As we reported earlier, the Rutherglen and Hamilton West MP initially travelled to Westminster from Glasgow having developed coronavirus symptoms before then returning by train.

                            A Met Police statement said an MP had contacted Police Scotland on Thursday to report she may have breached Covid-19 guidance in relation to a train journey on Tuesday after a positive test.

                            It said: "Following consultation with Police Scotland, officers from the Metropolitan Police, working with British Transport Police, are conducting an investigation into potential offences.

                            "The Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards has been informed."

                            https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/worl...ost_type=share

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                            • She’ll be made an example of and rightly so.

                              I was discussing this with family last night and if someone I loved had been on that same train, caught it from her after her confirmed diagnosis and subsequently died, I’d be wanting her investigated for manslaughter.

                              We were also debating the similarities between deliberately going into a prolonged, enclosed space with confirmed COVID and those who actively have unprotected sex when they know they have HIV and don’t disclose it.

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