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  • According to the BBC, there are 5 things Boris needs to focus on...

    1. Get Brexit done, and trade agreed.
    2. Meet growing demands on the NHS.
    3. Tackle the social care crisis.
    4. Work to hit climate change targets.
    5. Transform the immigration system.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50748393

    They appear to have overlooked the need for him to completely transform the person he is.

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    • Originally posted by CrazyCrazy View Post
      Trying to smear and group all Brexiteers or conservative folks as racists etc etc etc is exactly why you keep losing, I think itís terrible how people speak about people on here and the mods thinking it is acceptable...
      What's really terrible is the truth that most people voted leave for racist reasons (some obviously racist, some more latent) and not because of legitimate reasons to dislike the EU (like its institutional system not being democratic enough etc).

      Just because racists don't want to hear about being racist, doesn't mean we should excuse their behavior, let alone stop people from calling them out on it (I think that's what you're suggesting here). That's literally the fastest road to fascism.

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      • As if the EU itself is not practicing racism...
        jio CHARTS NOW: 24/11/2020: https://www.ukmix.org/forum/chart-di...4#post10503424

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        • Originally posted by jio View Post
          As if the EU itself is not practicing racism...
          How do you mean? I have a feeling about what you might be referring to but just for clarity...

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          • Originally posted by Wayne View Post
            How do you mean? I have a feeling about what you might be referring to but just for clarity...
            I am sure you know what I mean lol
            jio CHARTS NOW: 24/11/2020: https://www.ukmix.org/forum/chart-di...4#post10503424

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            • I can’t read Twitter anymore cos it keeps making me so frustrated, there are some hateful people on social media and the gloating is unreal. Apparently Labour voters are now just unwashed and unemployed.

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              • Originally posted by Thriller View Post
                I can’t read Twitter anymore cos it keeps making me so frustrated, there are some hateful people on social media and the gloating is unreal. Apparently Labour voters are now just unwashed and unemployed.
                That's social media for you...
                jio CHARTS NOW: 24/11/2020: https://www.ukmix.org/forum/chart-di...4#post10503424

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                • The UK General Election - the Tory win 'by the numbers':

                  • 66.4m people live in the UK.
                  • 55.0m of that number have the right to vote.
                  • 47.5m registeredd to vote.
                  • 31.9m actually bothered voting.
                  • 17.9m was the number that didn't vote for the Conservatives.
                  • 13.9m was the number that did vote for the Conservatives.


                  To the surprise of nobody, "first past the post" has once again ensured that the governing party arguably rules with unfair levels of power.

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                  • The whole system is flawed but will never change. The fact that a party is in power when more voters don’t want it to be than do is just stupid.

                    Also, those 20-odd million people who didn’t vote should be prosecuted. It should be law to vote.

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                    • Originally posted by Wayne View Post
                      The UK General Election - the Tory win 'by the numbers':

                      • 66.4m people live in the UK.
                      • 55.0m of that number have the right to vote.
                      • 47.5m registeredd to vote.
                      • 31.9m actually bothered voting.
                      • 17.9m was the number that didn't vote for the Conservatives.
                      • 13.9m was the number that did vote for the Conservatives.


                      To the surprise of nobody, "first past the post" has once again ensured that the governing party arguably rules with unfair levels of power.
                      Well I have to say that, despite and irrelevant to what I think about the results, this kind of posts are misleading despite presenting accurate information. In any democracy the winning party does not get the majority of the vote in elections where more than 2 parties compete. The conservatives' 13.9m was more than labour's 10.2 so there is no question over the legitimacy of the system and its results (as you are suggesting). What's more is that the conservatives saw an increase whereas labour so a drop in their percentage in comparison to the previous elections. Also the fact that the winning party gets only a fraction of the numer of the people actually eligible to vote in the election is very much in line with every EU election. So I wouldn't question the legitimacy of the election if I were you.
                      jio CHARTS NOW: 24/11/2020: https://www.ukmix.org/forum/chart-di...4#post10503424

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                      • Originally posted by jio View Post
                        Well I have to say that, despite and irrelevant to what I think about the results, this kind of posts are misleading despite presenting accurate information. In any democracy the winning party does not get the majority of the vote in elections where more than 2 parties compete. The conservatives' 13.9m was more than labour's 10.2 so there is no question over the legitimacy of the system and its results (as you are suggesting).
                        That isn't what I'm suggesting - the Conservatives absolutely have the highest share of votes in terms of a single party and I don't dispute that. But the arguments surrounding proportional representation are as relevant as they have ever been.

                        Originally posted by jio View Post
                        What's more is that the conservatives saw an increase whereas labour so a drop in their percentage in comparison to the previous elections. Also the fact that the winning party gets only a fraction of the numer of the people actually eligible to vote in the election is very much in line with every EU election. So I wouldn't question the legitimacy of the election if I were you.
                        Labour being less popular does not detract from the facts as they stand - under a proportional representation system, the Conservatives would not have this level of power...

                        Party FPTP System d'Hondt System
                        Conservative Party 365 288
                        Labour Party 202 216
                        SNP 48 28
                        Liberal Democrats 11 70
                        Green Party 1 12
                        Brexit Party 0 10
                        Plaid Cymru 4 4
                        Under a proportional representation system, the Conservatives would have 44% of parliamentary power in the Commons - still, more than any other single party but certainly not enough to give them the mandate they have under FPTP. To your point about them increasing their numbers - the Lib Dems increased their numbers by over 4% (the highest of any of the major parties) and they actually lost a seat...how can that be right?

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                        • Originally posted by jio View Post
                          As if the EU itself is not practicing racism...
                          I know what you mean, but the current EU commission and the 28 national governments ≠ 'the EU'.

                          The EU and its institutions are not inherently racist. It's the voters and elected leaders who are currently forcing it to practice racism in some situations. I don't agree with that, but blaming 'the EU' is too easy. Ultimately, the voters and politicians are to blame.

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                          • Originally posted by Rihab View Post
                            I know what you mean, but the current EU commission and the 28 national governments ≠ 'the EU'.

                            The EU and its institutions are not inherently racist. It's the voters and elected leaders who are currently forcing it to practice racism in some situations. I don't agree with that, but blaming 'the EU' is too easy. Ultimately, the voters and politicians are to blame.
                            Nonsense. Once you practice racism, you are racist. Yes, you may not be inherently racist but who cares? You are still racist
                            jio CHARTS NOW: 24/11/2020: https://www.ukmix.org/forum/chart-di...4#post10503424

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                            • Originally posted by Wayne View Post
                              That isn't what I'm suggesting - the Conservatives absolutely have the highest share of votes in terms of a single party and I don't dispute that. But the arguments surrounding proportional representation are as relevant as they have ever been.



                              Labour being less popular does not detract from the facts as they stand - under a proportional representation system, the Conservatives would not have this level of power...

                              Party FPTP System d'Hondt System
                              Conservative Party 365 288
                              Labour Party 202 216
                              SNP 48 28
                              Liberal Democrats 11 70
                              Green Party 1 12
                              Brexit Party 0 10
                              Plaid Cymru 4 4
                              Under a proportional representation system, the Conservatives would have 44% of parliamentary power in the Commons - still, more than any other single party but certainly not enough to give them the mandate they have under FPTP. To your point about them increasing their numbers - the Lib Dems increased their numbers by over 4% (the highest of any of the major parties) and they actually lost a seat...how can that be right?
                              Again many countries have systems designed to make the country more governable by giving a prim to the first party. That's not unique in the UK. Is it ideal? No. But as Italy would have told you, proportional representation doesn't come without its problems also. So again there is nothing unusual in the British system...
                              jio CHARTS NOW: 24/11/2020: https://www.ukmix.org/forum/chart-di...4#post10503424

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                              • So if that is accurate, we have the people who will mostly be dead in 20 years to blame. Those who will live with the consequences the longest do not want this government! Young people need to bloody vote!

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                                • Originally posted by jio View Post
                                  Again many countries have systems designed to make the country more governable by giving a prim to the first party. That's not unique in the UK. Is it ideal? No. But as Italy would have told you, proportional representation doesn't come without its problems also. So again there is nothing unusual in the British system...
                                  Each system has its flaws, but I stand by my view - the Tory's ended up with 56% of the voting power in the Commons based on a 43% voting share. It's so unequal.

                                  Though I don't dispute your point about proportional representation, that system is much more reflective of genuine democracy at work than first past the post.

                                  I wonder if we'll ever see genuine voting reform in the UK...

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                                  • What will be very interesting is when Brexit occurs and the dust eventually settles, who will the Brexiteers, racists and ignorants then blame for all of their problems, which won’t have magically disappeared?

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                                    • Bottomline is that you are all finding things to diss about the UK and its people (things that can be found in any european country more or less) simply because you don't like the choice that they (repeatedly) made. But the funny thing is that by releasing all this negative energy on the peoples' level, you are just proving the Brexiteers correct. You are proving there is no real European union because if there was, surely a member of the family moving out wouldn't have been such a big deal now, would it?
                                      jio CHARTS NOW: 24/11/2020: https://www.ukmix.org/forum/chart-di...4#post10503424

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                                      • Originally posted by Thriller View Post
                                        What will be very interesting is when Brexit occurs and the dust eventually settles, who will the Brexiteers, racists and ignorants then blame for all of their problems, which wonít have magically disappeared?
                                        Poles, black and brown people, women and homosexuals won't magically disappear on Jan 31, I'm sure. Also, there'll likely still be some kind of relationship with the EU, which the Farages and Rees-Moggs will try to destroy.

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                                        • Originally posted by Rihab View Post
                                          Poles, black and brown people, women and homosexuals won't magically disappear on Jan 31, I'm sure. Also, there'll likely still be some kind of relationship with the EU, which the Farages and Rees-Moggs will try to destroy.
                                          I agree. However, will the UK install concentration camps for these people like the US did? I hope not. I fear for the freedom of the people.
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                                          • Originally posted by Wayne View Post
                                            Each system has its flaws, but I stand by my view - the Tory's ended up with 56% of the voting power in the Commons based on a 43% voting share. It's so unequal.

                                            Though I don't dispute your point about proportional representation, that system is much more reflective of genuine democracy at work than first past the post.

                                            I wonder if we'll ever see genuine voting reform in the UK...
                                            I agree 100%.
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                                            • Originally posted by stevyy View Post
                                              I agree. However, will the UK install concentration camps for these people like the US did? I hope not. I fear for the freedom of the people.
                                              There are concentration camps in Europe right now and they are not in the UK... but you wouldn't care for something operated in the name of the EU now, would you?
                                              jio CHARTS NOW: 24/11/2020: https://www.ukmix.org/forum/chart-di...4#post10503424

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                                              • Originally posted by jio View Post
                                                There are concentration camps in Europe right now and they are not in the UK... but you wouldn't care for something operated in the name of the EU now, would you?
                                                What makes you say that?
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                                                • Originally posted by stevyy View Post
                                                  What makes you say that?
                                                  Moria refugee centre in Greece. Essentially an overcrowded concentration camp, announced at least a year before its creation by an EU government, created by an EU agreement, keep filling up due to EU policies, partly paid by EU money and under EU jurisdiction solving an EU problem...

                                                  I think you wouldn't care because it's an EU thing so it's OK. If Trump does it we protest, if the EU does it, it's OK
                                                  jio CHARTS NOW: 24/11/2020: https://www.ukmix.org/forum/chart-di...4#post10503424

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                                                  • Originally posted by jio View Post
                                                    Moria refugee centre in Greece. Essentially an overcrowded concentration camp, announced at least a year before its creation by an EU government, created by an EU agreement, keep filling up due to EU policies, partly paid by EU money and under EU jurisdiction solving an EU problem...
                                                    Then that camps must be dissolved immediately.
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