Russia and Ukraine

[jio]

https://www.france24.com/en/europe/2...-poland-border

[theMathematician]

Wow, seriously...I was in Przemyśl last week and there were tons of people e.g. from Nigeria, India. Stop spreading fake news, please.

I remember that Poland used to be let's say reluctant when it came to refugees from Syria and other Arabic states. When the situation with Ukraine happened, the first assumption was that Poland changed their mind when it comes to accepting refugees because the Ukraines share a similar culture and well... are white. Considering that you've seen 'tons of people e.g. from Nigeria, India', would you say that the government generelly changed their view on (temporary) migration from other cultures and/or ethnicities?

[arab]

I know personally of someone who arrived at the Polish border and was re-directed over to the romanian border, so I think you are the one who is lying sorry

Have you been there? I have, so don't call me a liar. I still can recognise who's white and who's black. You have no idea what's going on in eastern Poland. Maybe you should visit Polish-Ukrainian border.
If he was re-directed, shame on polish guards, but it's not fair to say there are only Ukrainians in Poland.
There was also some tweet from BBC and they deleted it after few hours.

[arab]

I remember that Poland used to be let's say reluctant when it came to refugees from Syria and other Arabic states. When the situation with Ukraine happened, the first assumption was that Poland changed their mind when it comes to accepting refugees because the Ukraines share a similar culture and well... are white. Considering that you've seen 'tons of people e.g. from Nigeria, India', would you say that the government generelly changed their view on (temporary) migration from other cultures and/or ethnicities?

I wouldn't say they changed their mind. I'm sure they won't let peple cross polish border with Belarus. But I can say, there were a lot of non-Ukrainian people in Medyka and Przemyśl.

[jio]

An eye witness opinion such as yours is not proof of whats actually happening on the ground. The reports I did post however were from international news organizations and Nigeria did file an official complain. I also as I said know personally a student who was turned back. Also the different rules and standards among refugees that the EU is practising based essentially on color of skin is a fact. I see you are arab... please tell me how many Syrian refugees get automatically the right to work and free movement from the time they set their foot in the EU like the Ukrainian refugees? Thats right, no one. Do you know how many children went missing in the balkans in 2015 or how many migrants get drowned in the med simply because the EU cannot treat them as they treat the Ukrainians now? thousands. So please put your mind to work before you start praising Poland and the EU for the way they are handling migrants. The Ukrainians are treated this way because they are white. All others are spending months in camps that the UNHCR has criticised gazillion of times under delporable conditions in the worlds richest area.

[jordi_89]

Not sure what price you are looking at, but it has massively increased here in Germany compared to what it was before.

*in comparison to the price here (poorer country that doesn't depend that much on Ukraine)


But I based my opinion on a Spanish guy living in Germany that showed the price was slightly cheaper than it is here.

[jordi_89]

The hypocricy of the EU in this is enormous. How dare Poland be asking the US to take Ukrainian refugees when that country is flatly refusing to accept any non-Ukrainian refugees whatsoever? There were Nigerian (and other non-European) students in Ukraine who got stopped at the Polish, Slovak and Hungarian borders flatly being denied entrance because even saving one's life is a matter of colour. Those people were accepted only in Romania from all neighboring countries. Added to that, while all the EU is head over heels for Ukrainian refugees who now have the right of free movement and one year stay in the EU, non-Ukrainian refugees do not even have the right to move from the greek islands to the greek mainland, nevermind change country. Why?

I'd worry more about the US refusing to accept refugees. Polish is ruled by a very conservative government, while in the US the "progressive" party is supposedly in power.

[jordi_89]

I wouldn't say they changed their mind. I'm sure they won't let peple cross polish border with Belarus. But I can say, there were a lot of non-Ukrainian people in Medyka and Przemyśl.

They're must be making exceptions. Because there's reports of non-white people saying they WERE able to cross (even if some had issues).

[jordi_89]

My frıend you don't know what you are talking about. Ukraine is the big loser in this, any way you see it

They're still resisting aren't they? While Russia's economy is basically non-existent. And their international image will be severely damaged for years.

[theMathematician]

I'd worry more about the US refusing to accept refugees. Polish is ruled by a very conservative government, while in the US the "progressive" party is supposedly in power.

Progressive is the wrong word here. Besides, due to the two-party-system in the US, you can't really apply the European meaning of 'left' and 'right' to the US parties. While the Democrats are more left-leaning than the Republicans, they may not necessarily be considered 'left' with the same political programme in Europe.

[stevyy]

*in comparison to the price here (poorer country that doesn't depend that much on Ukraine)


But I based my opinion on a Spanish guy living in Germany that showed the price was slightly cheaper than it is here.

I had to pay 2,30€ per liter at my gas station on Friday... Before the war, gas prices were 1,30€ - 1,40€.

Experts predict that prices will rise to 3,00€+ in the coming weeks. Overall inflation is thru the roof here.

Oddly enough, plant-based oil (for cooking) is now sold out in many German supermarkets as it was imported from Ukraine. My mother had to pay almost 8€ for a 0,5 liter bottle of cooking oil on Wednesday. - unheard of prices.

[theMathematician]

In December 2021, gas prices were already at between 1.50 and 1.60€ per liter. Or are you using diesel?

[stevyy]

In December 2021, gas prices were already at between 1.50 and 1.60€ per liter. Or are you using diesel?

Diesel yes.

[theMathematician]

OK, I see, thanks.

[GreekGeek]

Guys please stop complaining. The situation was always worse here in Greece. Gas price was at 1.80€ and Diesel was at 1.60€ before the war; now, it's 2.20€ and 2.10€ respectively.

[LittleLinda]

Guys please stop complaining. The situation was always worse here in Greece. Gas price was at 1.80€ and Diesel was at 1.60€ before the war; now, it's 2.20€ and 2.10€ respectively.

Nobody is complaining, it’s just that Jordi claimed the war was just a scapegoat for the price increase in Spain, because prices are still cheaper in Germany (even though Germany depends more on Russian oil than Spain). Which is a very flawed logic, because 1) it doesn’t matter whether you get your oil from Russia or elsewhere and 2) German prices have always been cheaper than in Spain, so it’s only natural that even with this massive price-up they are still cheaper by comparison.

[Artoo]

Guys the answer is simple - just use public transport.

[aRat]

Ugh the gas prices make a good argument to stay at my current job longer coz it's only like 20 min by feet away from my apartment

[aRat]

Guys the answer is simple - just use public transport.

People who live in big european cities really have no excuse not to use public transport since it's much cheaper, better and more eco friendly than owning a car.

[theMathematician]

Guys the answer is simple - just use public transport.

May I ask how big the community you live in roundabout is in terms of population?

[SholasBoy]

Raising prices I always think seems an unfair logic when things are scarcer surely? If there’s less of something available, they raise the price of it so that it becomes less affordable to some people I guess, so poorer people stop buying it and only richer people can still access whatever it is.

[Artoo]

May I ask how big the community you live in roundabout is in terms of population?

Small village called London.

[Artoo]

Raising prices I always think seems an unfair logic when things are scarcer surely? If there’s less of something available, they raise the price of it so that it becomes less affordable to some people I guess, so poorer people stop buying it and only richer people can still access whatever it is.

I just really, really hope they aren’t war profiteering. It’s one thing to put prices up if market demands it, but not a new slice of the price on top. That’s why I refuse to look at the tabloids - admittedly I’d already given them up, but I’m not going to let them profit from me reading their online updates that are plastered with adverts. BBC all the way.

[theMathematician]

Small village called London.

In that case, it's surely easier to use the public transport than in places much smaller than that. Half of all Germans live on the countryside and if you have to ride from one small town to another small town, it may take 2-3 times as long or public transport may not ride past certain times (which could be problematic for those working in night shifts etc.).

[theMathematician]

Raising prices I always think seems an unfair logic when things are scarcer surely? If there’s less of something available, they raise the price of it so that it becomes less affordable to some people I guess, so poorer people stop buying it and only richer people can still access whatever it is.

You definitely have got a point. It reminds me of how during lockdown, average people had to stay at home, while rich people travelled to places like Dubai to escape Covid restrictions. The big risk of raising prices is that rich people may not even care. Apart from the fact, that many people depend on their vehicles, so they may save money in all kinds of places but not when it comes to their car. I asked my dad what he would do if gas prices keep significantly rising and he said: 'Nothing. I depend on the car because I need to be spontaneous and need to be able to carry big loads since I'm a businessman.'.