Russia and Ukraine

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If other nations are starting to become collateral damage in this war it gets even more worrying.

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Russia denies any involvement in 'missile strike on Poland'

Russia has denied statements from Polish media outlets and officials that Russian missiles fell on the Polish village of Przewodó near the Ukrainian border.

The Russian ministry of defence posted on its Telegram, calling the reports "a deliberate provocation in order to escalate the situation".

"No strikes were made against targets near the Ukrainian-Polish state border by Russian means of destruction," the statement said.It said missile fragments from the scene, reportedly filmed by Polish media, did not relate to Russian weapons.

(BBC)

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Russia denied they plan to attack Ukraine.
Russia denied to use Iranian drones.
Russia denied to make use of Wagner soldiers.
Russia denied to have committed acts of genocide in Bucha.

There´s a chance the missiles weren´t of Russian origin but still... everything Russia "denies", "announces" or "says" should not be trusted at all.

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Responds from Estonia and Latvia.

Poland´s Morawiecki and Duda are having an emergency meeting right now.

[stevyy]

We could stop pretending that apart from "ignoring and placing another sancation or two" would bring us WWIII whilst RuZZia continues comitting acts of genocide and more.
It´s time to respond in a harsher way (NATO shouldn´t attack RuZZia) but they´ve been crossing another line (a line which was a red flag for NATO members).

We shouldn´t be supporting the idea of "we have to be careful because otherwise, RuZZia will nuke us all away or WWIII will break out" because that´s RuZZia´s strategy.. To create fear so that they can get away with everything.

Also, it´s not "Putin´s war" but almost all of RuZZia´s elite are involved - Kadyrov, Lavrov, Shoigu, Medvedev, Zakharova, Dugin - priests and muftis alike - tv hosts and even some celebrities (and former ESC participants) - they all support the war, they all came up with fascist comments - praising war crimes, genocide and more.

But this type of power that Russia has is unprecedented in war. Nazi Germany didn't have the bomb, so it was logical to engage it. That nuclear threat is real when NATO decides to intervene in a more active way bc Putin knows that nukes is the only power he has left then.

He knows that NATO has the capacity to put on a full invasion of Russia. I think it is the first time in history that a truly megalomaniac dictator is in possession of thousands of nuclear bombs and is recklessly challenging the west with it (apart from the Cuba crisis).

All we can continue to do is focus on diplomacy and sanctions, imo.

[stevyy]

Russia denied they plan to attack Ukraine.
Russia denied to use Iranian drones.
Russia denied to make use of Wagner soldiers.
Russia denied to have committed acts of genocide in Bucha.

There´s a chance the missiles weren´t of Russian origin but still... everything Russia "denies", "announces" or "says" should not be trusted at all.

all true.

[jordi_89]

It was gonna happen sooner or later. Imposing new sanctions and condemning this (attack or accident) won't make Russia stop. But NATO shouldn't strike back, for obvious reasons. I honestly don't know what the answer to all of this is. Because Russia knows the West is all bark and no bite, so they have the upper hand.

[jordi_89]

Station troops in every NATO country that borders the Ukraine and give them the weapons to defend against any further missiles. More sanctions and demands that Russia pay reparation for the loss of life and damage in Poland.

That could work, but I'm sure Russia and the Western pro-Russian media / activists will cry that that's an escalation or whatever.

[franklex]

Navigation fault... yeah it is definitely is... you are just out... we had this *navigation faults when Ukrainians removed road signs and russian could not get needed cities.

Maybe someone forget to sign therithory of Poland for that missile?

Also maybe nuclear missile that will launched by an accident is also will be just a coincidence ? Oh I'm sorry, another unexpected coincidence.

[jordi_89]

If other nations are starting to become collateral damage in this war it gets even more worrying.

Maybe I'm wrong but didn't something happen in the border with Moldova a few months ago as well? (something crashed perhaps) But yep it's all very worrying.

[stevyy]

It was gonna happen sooner or later. Imposing new sanctions and condemning this (attack or accident) won't make Russia stop. But NATO shouldn't strike back, for obvious reasons. I honestly don't know what the answer to all of this is. Because Russia knows the West is all bark and no bite, so they have the upper hand.

Maybe Nato can deliver new kinds of weapons to Ukraine which potentially could reach Russian territory and / or which are even more effective than the weapon they are already getting.

I mean right now, all that Putin can sorta do is using missiles efefctively - of which they are slowly running out according to reports. On the ground Russia has no strategy to fight back.

I think that Ukraine will have to really fight until the last Russian soldier is back behind their borders which will be immensely costly in resources and lives and take a lot of time. But it is eroding way Russia's power on the global stage more and more.

After this war, Russia will not be able to invade another country for a looong time.

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Maybe I'm wrong but didn't something happen in the border with Moldova a few months ago as well? (something crashed perhaps) But yep it's all very worrying.

You´re not wrong. I mentioned it twice on the last page as well.
Ukraine shot a missile from RuZZia but it landed in Moldova and damaged a buidling.

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2 missiles.... 16 kms into Poland´s territory? (1 rocket "might have been a mistake").

Please............ how many drunk soldieres should be responsible for this madness?

What can we do?

STOP letting RuZZia use Lithuanian railways.
STOP letting RuZZian ambassadors spread lies and hate in Europe (send them back if they have glorified the war)
STOP letting RUZZia fly bombs and helicopters over Ukraine (by establishing a no-fly zone...something Ukrainians and a few politcians already demanded).

There´s still many things one could do between "just verbally condeming the attack" and "attacking RuZZian lands and causing WWIII".

[franklex]

Ohhh that's is not worrying. We told you this for months. We see how they do it. Was it a fault or not it doesn't matter. Russians will deny it. And keep doing their things like nothing happened or what you will do? They understand you only when you show them power and give a response. If you ignore them they will do it again and much worse or try another thing. For you it's maybe something new but not for the Ukrainian at 9th year and 9th month of war.

Back in 2014 u did not response to Crimea. I don't even talk about Georgia in 2008. Nothing changed after mh17, nothing after attack in UK and explosion in Czech Republik...

[KEY9481]

[franklex]

Maybe Nato can deliver new kinds of weapons to Ukraine which potentially could reach Russian territory and / or which are even more effective than the weapon they are already getting.

In fact, even gun at the border with Russia can rich its theritory. Even HIMARS we have now can rich Russian theritory. And I m sure ukraine got some more seriouse weapons already that wasn't announced yet. Attack on Crimea just can not be riched without something seriouse weapons. But the question is that the West do not allow to attack russian theritory. We are playing that this is putins war, not russian. So Russians are innocent and not responsible for their power.

[jordi_89]

Maybe Nato can deliver new kinds of weapons to Ukraine which potentially could reach Russian territory and / or which are even more effective than the weapon they are already getting.

I mean right now, all that Putin can sorta do is using missiles efefctively - of which they are slowly running out according to reports. On the ground Russia has no strategy to fight back.

I think that Ukraine will have to really fight until the last Russian soldier is back behind their borders which will be immensely costly in resources and lives and take a lot of time. But it is eroding way Russia's power on the global stage more and more.

After this war, Russia will not be able to invade another country for a looong time.

I guess that's true. I just don't like the idea of waiting don't know how many months until Russia has used most of its rockets and has retreated.

[jordi_89]

You´re not wrong. I mentioned it twice on the last page as well.
Ukraine shot a missile from RuZZia but it landed in Moldova and damaged a buidling.

This! It's just too much info and I forget things.

[Artoo]

You´re not wrong. I mentioned it twice on the last page as well.
Ukraine shot a missile from RuZZia but it landed in Moldova and damaged a buidling.

I can’t find anything reporting Moldova has been hit. Can you please provide a link to a creditable news site?

All I’m seeing is that Moldova’s power was cut because of a shared energy source from the Ukraine, but not that Moldova itself was attacked.

About 100 rockets were launched across Ukraine on Tuesday, hitting civilians and critical infrastructure. That affected its neighbor Moldova as one of its power lines was automatically disconnected as a safety measure.

Bloomberg News

[Artoo]

That could work, but I'm sure Russia and the Western pro-Russian media / activists will cry that that's an escalation or whatever.

I don’t see how, the troops wouldn’t be on Russian borders.

[jordi_89]

I can’t find anything reporting Moldova has been hit. Can you please provide a link to a creditable news site?

All I’m seeing is that Moldova’s power was cut because of a shared energy source from the Ukraine, but not that Moldova itself was attacked.



Bloomberg News

No no, that was months ago, not a recent attack (that one was an accident but it landed IN Moldova's territory as well).

I don’t see how, the troops wouldn’t be on Russian borders.

That has never stopped those people to complain about the US/the West whenever Russia did something bad and the others imposed sanctions or released statements.

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I can’t find anything reporting Moldova has been hit. Can you please provide a link to a creditable news site?

All I’m seeing is that Moldova’s power was cut because of a shared energy source from the Ukraine, but not that Moldova itself was attacked.



Bloomberg News

Russian missile lands in pro-NATO Moldova in 'first of kind' escalation sparking WW3 fears | World | News | Express.co.uk

^^ You can follow this link.

New York Times also reported it:
Russian Missile Debris Lands in Moldova - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

It happened 2 weeks ago. (not months ago), though. jordi_89

[Artoo]

Thank you.

[arab]

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Biden is Currently on the Phone with Polish President Duda - Latest Tweet by BNO News Live

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Also, we shouldn´t forget the drone passing Hungary and blasting in Zagreb, Croatia in March:

A drone that flew undetected over several Nato countries from Ukraine crashed overnight in the Croatian capital, Zagreb, triggering a loud blast but causing no injuries, Croatian authorities have said.

The Croatian president, Zoran Milanović, said it was clear the drone came from Ukraine. A statement issued by Croatia’s government said the “pilotless military aircraft” entered Croatian airspace from neighbouring Hungary at a speed of 700km/h (434mph) and an altitude of 1,300 metres (4,265ft).

The Croatian prime minister, Andrej Plenković, said: “According to information I have so far, this flying object was Russian-manufactured, we are not sure whether it belongs to the Russian or Ukrainian army.”

Military drone from Ukraine war crashes into Croatian capital Zagreb | Croatia | The Guardian