War in Ukraine

[SholasBoy]

Surprised this hasn’t a topic yet, it’s dominated the news the last couple of days giving covid a much needed break. 100,000 troops from Russia are lining the Ukrainian border. It seems it stems from Russia not wanting Ukraine to join NATO, but they have an open door policy and Ukraine wish to join. I’m not sure what Russia will be looking to achieve if it should enter Ukraine (though they have denied that they will)

[jordi_89]

The entire thing is a mess. You have Twitter commie siding with Russia (who is NOT a Communist state) because they're against NATO and because there happens to be a lot of nazis in power (or with influence) in Ukraine (which is a sad fact, even though there's lots of fundamentalists/hard-right conservatives in positions of power in Russia as well), while conservatives are all "let's bomb Russia". Mess. In this geopolitical game of chess the ones losing will be Europe (most of Europe's gas comes from Russia or Turkey) and Eastern-Europe (not a stable region to say the least).

[stevyy]

I am 100% certain that Russia will throw a full on war of aggression on Ukraine and invade in spring. And all that the west can do is stand by and look in the air, trying to evade any decision on this matter.

2022 might very well become the new 1914. After Ukraine, the entire Balticum is next, Lithuania, Estonia and Latvia and then Finland, Romania, Bulgaria, Modolva, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Armenia and probably also Northern Turkey.

[jordi_89]

Imo Putin is too smart for that. He's all for destabilizing Eastern Europe and the Middle East, but a full invasion would make Russia look like the bad guy among his allies and also among Russians. But we'll see. Maybe Vlad is slipping on the polls and he needs something to regain his credibility.

[SholasBoy]

Not stevyy being over dramatic

[Jonathan]

US to evacuate personnel in Ukraine

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/01/21/p...nel/index.html

The US Embassy in Kyiv has requested that the State Department authorize the departure of all nonessential staff and their families, according to multiple sources familiar with the matter.

[KEY9481]

Not stevyy being over dramatic

Stevyy?
Over dramatic?
Never!

[aRat]

Not stevyy being over dramatic

He is right about the fact that Europe will just stand there and look in awe while Russia stomps on Ukraine

[SholasBoy]

He is right about the fact that Europe will just stand there and look in awe while Russia stomps on Ukraine

Well yes, probably, sadly, but I don’t think Putin is going to get his full shopping list of countries quite as Stevyy predicts.

[stevyy]

Well yes, probably, sadly, but I don’t think Putin is going to get his full shopping list of countries quite as Stevyy predicts.

Maybe Turkey can put up a fight uniting the Muslim world against Russia? idk. my country, however, will finance Russia's new expansion with gas-money.

[westhammer]

I am 100% certain that Russia will throw a full on war of aggression on Ukraine and invade in spring. And all that the west can do is stand by and look in the air, trying to evade any decision on this matter.

2022 might very well become the new 1914. After Ukraine, the entire Balticum is next, Lithuania, Estonia and Latvia and then Finland, Romania, Bulgaria, Modolva, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Armenia and probably also Northern Turkey.

The irony is that you forgot Belarus which is definitely the most likely only other country they will invade

[likeidogoldlink]

Western Europe will 'help' Ukraine as well as England and France to Poland in 1939.

[maroon]

There will be no war, I'm sure. Russia is showing off as usually. Ukraine will be just fine and NATO will back the Ukrainians up in case anything happens.

[stevyy]

There will be no war, I'm sure. Russia is showing off as usually. Ukraine will be just fine and NATO will back the Ukrainians up in case anything happens.

an open confrontation with Nato? Vlad is laughing at the mere thought of it. Nato will not do much, I think. What could they do? The US and EU might sanction Russia, but that's it.

[stevyy]

The irony is that you forgot Belarus which is definitely the most likely only other country they will invade

I did not forget about Belarus as I already count it as being a part of federal Russia today. The country is as independent as Catalonia is from Spain.

[maroon]

There's a reason why Russia's opposing Sweden, Finland, Romania and Bulgaria joining NATO. Putin knows that NATO will not watch them attacking any European countries.

[Michiel]

His goal was always destabilizing Europe, and with the pandemic reigning the time is perfect. Europe needs to be a stronger supranational state, but try to convince individual countries… the structure is too slow to handle conflicts like this. He knows exactly what he is doing as trust in democracies is on an all time low and it’s harder to make a collective based on those principles.

[spiritboy]

Maybe Turkey can put up a fight uniting the Muslim world against Russia? idk. my country, however, will finance Russia's new expansion with gas-money.

Turkey will side with Russia

[stevyy]

Turkey will side with Russia

even if he invades Turkey? (Istanbul might soon speak Russian).

[spiritboy]

even if he invades Turkey? (Istanbul might soon speak Russian).

Nah, Putin loves Erdogan. As long as he governs us, Russia & Turkey will be fine.

[jordi_89]

Maybe Turkey can put up a fight uniting the Muslim world against Russia? idk. my country, however, will finance Russia's new expansion with gas-money.

Lol no, they're allies. They're doing the same thing with the minorities from their country / countries nearby, so of course they get along well.

[jordi_89]

His goal was always destabilizing Europe, and with the pandemic reigning the time is perfect. Europe needs to be a stronger supranational state, but try to convince individual countries… the structure is too slow to handle conflicts like this. He knows exactly what he is doing as trust in democracies is on an all time low and it’s harder to make a collective based on those principles.

Right on the money. Hard pass on the whole "supranational state" thing for now. Get rid of the Europarliament or make it useful (& less opaque), and then I'll agree to that.

[jordi_89]

The irony is that you forgot Belarus which is definitely the most likely only other country they will invade

That wouldn't be a bad thing. Didn't Lukashenko call himself the "Europe's last dictator"? Time for him to fall.

[spiritboy]

Putin is coming to Turkey soon, he'll get "advice" from Erdogan.

[bm08]