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[greek_boy]

Nicki Haley has said that she wants a stricter "Don't Say Gay" law and she is for cutting Social Security and Medicare.

She has no chance.

this is crazy... just when you think it can't get worse...

[thebigham]

Haley actually polls best among independents.

If Haley is out there saying she is going to cut Social Security/Medicare and is going to go after gay/trans kids, she will never be elected President.

[DnBLover]

I'm reading about her on Wikipedia, and it says:

Abortion
In 2023, Haley has called for "consensus" on national abortion policy, and indicated she would oppose a full ban on abortion. In a 2023 interview, she pointed to a proposal from Senator Lindsey Graham that would establish a national 15-week abortion ban, with exceptions for rape, incest, health, and life of the mother.

(Very reasonable)

Gay Rights In April 2017, Haley spoke out against Ramzan Kadyrov and the abuse and murder of gay men in Chechnya. She stated that "We continue to be disturbed by reports of kidnapping, torture, and murder of people in Chechnya based on their sexual orientation ... this violation of human rights cannot be ignored".^[52]
In 2023, Haley said that the Florida Parental Rights in Education Act, known as the "Don't Say Gay" law, doesn't go far enough, in that prohibitions against discussing sex and sexuality before third grade should be extended and subject to opt-in parental consent, stating, "When I was in school you didn’t have sex ed until seventh grade.

(This is far from being all that bad)

Immigration
On March 15, 2017, Haley said she would not support a ban on Muslim immigration to the United States should President Trump choose to enact one. Haley said she did not believe "we should ever ban anyone based on their religion" and that a Muslim ban would be "un-American".
Haley has stated that, as a daughter of immigrants, she believes the immigration laws should be enforced.^[56] She voted in favor of a law that requires employers to be able to prove that newly hired employees are legal residents of the United States, and also requires all immigrants to carry documentation at all times

(popular view amongst Americans, not extreme either)

Regarding Medicare and Social Security, her comments have been vague although her past positions go towards partial privatization of health care, which is a popular right-wing political view.


Honestly, so far, she seems like a very good candidate for the Republicans, and I definitely see her winning if passing the republicans election. She would surely capture democrats and undecided votes. And anyone decent would beat Uncle Biden.

[Forreal]

^ she seems indeed very open minded, considering where she come from

[LittleLinda]

DnBLover: Thanks for that. Proves once again that it is wise to read beyond headlines and snippets. She seems fairly reasonable.

[Rihab]

DnBLover: Thanks for that. Proves once again that it is wise to read beyond headlines and snippets. She seems fairly reasonable.

Definitely one of the more reasonable Republicans.

And from a strategic point of view, it also makes a lot more sense for her to run as a moderate. You already have 2 much more prominent candidates (Trump & DeSantis) competing for votes on the far-right, while the centrist lane in the GOP is completely empty. Has been for a while.

On top of that, women and poc candidates are usually perceived as more liberal than they really are, so chances are that people just wouldn't find it very believable if Haley as an Asian (?) American woman suddenly tried to out-Trump the original.

[jordi_89]

I'm reading about her on Wikipedia, and it says:

Abortion
In 2023, Haley has called for "consensus" on national abortion policy, and indicated she would oppose a full ban on abortion. In a 2023 interview, she pointed to a proposal from Senator Lindsey Graham that would establish a national 15-week abortion ban, with exceptions for rape, incest, health, and life of the mother.

(Very reasonable)

Gay Rights In April 2017, Haley spoke out against Ramzan Kadyrov and the abuse and murder of gay men in Chechnya. She stated that "We continue to be disturbed by reports of kidnapping, torture, and murder of people in Chechnya based on their sexual orientation ... this violation of human rights cannot be ignored".^[52]
In 2023, Haley said that the Florida Parental Rights in Education Act, known as the "Don't Say Gay" law, doesn't go far enough, in that prohibitions against discussing sex and sexuality before third grade should be extended and subject to opt-in parental consent, stating, "When I was in school you didn’t have sex ed until seventh grade.

(This is far from being all that bad)

Immigration
On March 15, 2017, Haley said she would not support a ban on Muslim immigration to the United States should President Trump choose to enact one. Haley said she did not believe "we should ever ban anyone based on their religion" and that a Muslim ban would be "un-American".
Haley has stated that, as a daughter of immigrants, she believes the immigration laws should be enforced.^[56] She voted in favor of a law that requires employers to be able to prove that newly hired employees are legal residents of the United States, and also requires all immigrants to carry documentation at all times

(popular view amongst Americans, not extreme either)

Regarding Medicare and Social Security, her comments have been vague although her past positions go towards partial privatization of health care, which is a popular right-wing political view.


Honestly, so far, she seems like a very good candidate for the Republicans, and I definitely see her winning if passing the republicans election. She would surely capture democrats and undecided votes. And anyone decent would beat Uncle Biden.

The 15 week abortion ban thing is NOT reasonable. Anything that's lower than 20 weeks is just going back in time. BUT it is something that republicans and moderates can agree on, I'll give you that.

Banning any kind of discussion in schools is THAT bad, just as bad as banning books (unless said book was written by a fascist and it has lots of crazy statements in it, but those books are probably not gonna be read in a school anyway).

Her stance on immigration is very popular in the US. I don't agree with the employer thing or forcing immigrants to carry their documentation at all times. But it's not as crazy as a straight up ban, that is true.

And privatising health care is a very bad idea. But a very popular one among right-wing people.


So she may not be a na** but she's pretty awful.

[DnBLover]

jordi_89 15 week abortion + the other exceptions is actually more than in Spain which is 14 weeks for abortion + more for exceptions (and many other EU countries with less weeks). Her opinion on that is actually extremely progressive. You may think it's ok to euthanize fetuses at any point of the development, but if you do this would make you in fact radical, and largely unethical.

[jordi_89]

jordi_89 15 week abortion + the other exceptions is actually more than in Spain which is 14 weeks for abortion + more for exceptions (and many other EU countries with less weeks). Her opinion on that is actually extremely progressive. You may think it's ok to euthanize fetuses at any point of the development, but if you do this would make you in fact radical, and largely unethical.

20-24 weeks is what most medical professionals agreed on. Most abortions take place way earlier than that (as you know), but there has to be no prohibition between 16 and 20 weeks (or 24 if you wanna stretch it out to the max) just in case something goes wrong or the situation of the mother changes.

[westhammer]

American healthcare is already extremely privatised but reducing Medicare further is very cruel. It will do nothing to reduce the homeless crisis in US cities including many with serious mental illness who do not get treatment including for physical health.

Otherwise her policies are right centrist and tolerable even if you don’t agree with them. Much better than the alternative options.

I do think not being able to discuss someone’s sexuality with children under a certain age is problematic - children don’t care about these things and it normalises it for them, but the Republicans have a hidden agenda when it comes to this. It has nothing to do with sex ed.

[cheapthrills]

While I agree Nikki is so far the best of bad options, Nikki is only moderate insofar that the right has moved so far right in general.

As my party is undeclared, I plan to vote in the Republican primary next year.

I do think not being able to discuss someone’s sexuality with children under a certain age is problematic - children don’t care about these things and it normalises it for them, but the Republicans have a hidden agenda when it comes to this. It has nothing to do with sex ed.

I agree with you. You're right in that it's not just that. It's all mentions of homosexuality because it's written very broadly. For example, if there's a discussion on family that veers into someone having a gay parent and a teacher encourages that, another parent could sue the school. It's part of an an agenda to stigmatize anyone who isn't straight.

I mean, even if it were about sex, that bill only excludes LGBT sex, not sex talk in general.

[zagan0401]

Fox News Poll: Trump, DeSantis top 2024 Republican preference



US:

[LittleLinda]

I don’t even know what to say…

[DnBLover]

Well it's below 50.... Is there rank voting or something?

[jordi_89]

Fox News Poll: Trump, DeSantis top 2024 Republican preference



US:

I've just checked and it seems that in 2020 Donald was never below 74% in any poll, and way over 80% in most of them. That's a huge drop. To get such a low percentage you have to go back to March 2016. It's gonna be a bloodbath.

[zagan0401]

I've just checked and it seems that in 2020 Donald was never below 74% in any poll, and way over 80% in most of them. That's a huge drop. To get such a low percentage you have to go back to March 2016. It's gonna be a bloodbath.

yah, huge drop! De Santis has high chances...

[Zeph]

Both Ron DeSantis and Nikki Haley are both great candidates that will lead the US out of the current chaos, clamor and dread.

Joe and Kamala have done enough to turn back decades of progress.

[Nanda]

Both Ron DeSantis and Nikki Haley are both great candidates that will lead the US out of the current chaos, clamor and dread.

Joe and Kamala have done enough to turn back decades of progress.

I mean where do I start with this?!!!

I can agree to a certain extent that the current cabinet could do a lot more but saying that they have done enough damage to decades of progress is a joke. In contrary, Joe Biden is doing the best he can with what has been served in a plate full of issues left from previous cabinet.

[CrazyCrazy]

Both Ron DeSantis and Nikki Haley are both great candidates that will lead the US out of the current chaos, clamor and dread.

Joe and Kamala have done enough to turn back decades of progress.

Whoa criticising democrats will definitely spark a reaction on UKMIX. *grabs popcorn*

[cheapthrills]

I've just checked and it seems that in 2020 Donald was never below 74% in any poll, and way over 80% in most of them. That's a huge drop. To get such a low percentage you have to go back to March 2016. It's gonna be a bloodbath.

To be fair, he was already president in 2020, so I don't think anyone else was expected to campaign in the primaries against him. With a more open primary, people have other options to weigh, so that number was always going to go down.

[DnBLover]

Whoa criticising democrats will definitely spark a reaction on UKMIX. *grabs popcorn*

Keep the popcorn, i don't think anyone is spending another second debating with Zeph on his Donald Trump admiration. It's not surprising, it's not interesting either. Let's hope the republicans get more progressive and integrous for the sake of humanity.

[zagan0401]

Both Ron DeSantis and Nikki Haley are both great candidates that will lead the US out of the current chaos, clamor and dread.

Joe and Kamala have done enough to turn back decades of progress.

Ok, George Zeph Santos.

[jordi_89]

To be fair, he was already president in 2020, so I don't think anyone else was expected to campaign in the primaries against him. With a more open primary, people have other options to weigh, so that number was always going to go down.

That is true. The primaries are gonna be interesting. Or chaotic. Or both.

[DnBLover]

Let's hope the Dems retire Joe Biden and sponsor an actual decent candidate for the first time since Obama....... Zero hopes though.

[Zeph]

Ok, George Zeph Santos.

142000 people voted for Santos because they were lied to. What’s your excuse?