German Politics

[Rihab]

Timmy for chancellor!!!

Women, gays, poc, foreigners, liberals, socialists, conservatives, jews, muslims, other religious minorities, poor people and people with brains say NO.

[aRat]

Timmy for chancellor!!!

Do we really want 1939-1945 to repeat?

[AceReject]

Timmy for chancellor!!!

[theMathematician]

So why is it between Laschet, Scholz and Baerbock when in each of their parties, there are more popular politicians? Harms concludes that all of them basically got there due to stubbornness. Others had competency and popularity; they had awareness of power, tactics and strong companions within their parties.

[theMathematician]

Regarding your first part: Totally agreed. I mean, as much as it's socially accepted to laugh about Bavaria or Saxony, they are always high in the educational ranking. Unlike e.g. Berlin, which follows all of those educational trends and still keeps on getting dumber and dumber, apparently.

It's true that educational politics are the federal states' jobs.

[stevyy]

The thing is... about schools, that inclusion has failed. Students become dumber and dumber. Today's Abiturienten were Hauptschüler in the 1980s.

The greens cannot mandate any new laws for the school system. The Länder decide on that.

[stevyy]

Yes they can. The more heterogenous a class is, the more work it means for the teacher. Just ask your older colleagues about what's changed since inclusion became a thing in their classes. You need more time for documentation, lesson planning and communication with all kinds of people, yet the teaching load didn't get lowered. Imagine what a fun it would be if you had to write a whole text for each student in their school report because the Greens decided that marks are discriminating or some ish!

the system has collapsed a long time ago. all parties are to blame... (least the greens).

[theMathematician]

Yes they can. The more heterogenous a class is, the more work it means for the teacher. Just ask your older colleagues about what's changed since inclusion became a thing in their classes. You need more time for documentation, lesson planning and communication with all kinds of people, yet the teaching load didn't get lowered. Imagine what a fun it would be if you had to write a whole text for each student in their school report because the Greens decided that marks are discriminating or some ish!

[stevyy]

I'm not sure whether you could single out conservative parties as the bad ones. I would say that every party with governmental responsibility has got some dirty business going on in the background. The Greens wouldn't be too different from that.
If I was working as a teacher at the moment, I wouldn't vote for the Greens for one particular yet important reason: Their agenda will increase your work load, yet decrease your chance to stand up against children who disturb your class or parents who believe that you treated their little prince unfairly. They don't want teachers but 'learning assistants'. Please read their election's schedule's section on education in detail and ask yourself whether you want all of that!

I never vote for the greens. I'm liberal. Greens cannot increase the workload for teachers, bc teachers can decide how many hours per week they want to work.

[theMathematician]

I'm not sure whether you could single out conservative parties as the bad ones. I would say that every party with governmental responsibility has got some dirty business going on in the background. The Greens wouldn't be too different from that.
If I was working as a teacher at the moment, I wouldn't vote for the Greens for one particular yet important reason: Their agenda will increase your work load, yet decrease your chance to stand up against children who disturb your class or parents who believe that you treated their little prince unfairly. They don't want teachers but 'learning assistants'. Please read their election's schedule's section on education in detail and ask yourself whether you want all of that!

[stevyy]

I love his blue hair. I'm waiting for his take on the Greens though...

The greens are not in the government... and still he mentioned Baerbock's doodoo...

In comparison to the CDU (AFD and FDP) the greens are quite harmless.

I know you were probably raised anti-liberal and that's OK. But if you watch his video... you too must look at that party and must feel shocked. I hope you are not one of those who refuses to watch it bc it uncovers real dangerous, illegal and shitty stuff about the conservative parties in Germany.

[stevyy]

King. He is looking a bit cute too

This was soo tame though. There is lots more that needs to be dragged (like the whole pandemic handling)

part 2, baby. I love that he destroyed Miss Klöckner btw. That Bish is a MONSTER.

I am so relieved that he is at it again and helping the youth to not vote for the CDU.

At the end of part 1, I actually had tears in my eyes.

[aRat]

REZO did it. OMG. KING. SLAY. YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSSS. The prophet came thru, went in and destroyed some more.

King. He is looking a bit cute too

This was soo tame though. There is lots more that needs to be dragged (like the whole pandemic handling)

[theMathematician]

I love his blue hair. I'm waiting for his take on the Greens though...

[stevyy]

If people still vote for the CDU, they are probably rotten pieces of sh!t and have no soul.

[stevyy]

REZO did it. OMG. KING. SLAY. YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSSS. The prophet came thru, went in and destroyed some more.

[LittleLinda]

Former family minister Franziska Giffey (SPD) who wants to become the next mayor of Berlin plagriazed in her dissertation, therefore losing her doctor title. Now it seems like she even plariazed in her master's thesis. (source)

Can’t say I‘m surprised.

[theMathematician]

Former family minister Franziska Giffey (SPD) who wants to become the next mayor of Berlin plagriazed in her dissertation, therefore losing her doctor title. Now it seems like she even plariazed in her master's thesis. (source)

[LittleLinda]

That‘s a fact.



Even the most rural regions in Germany have electricity, so there is an alternative.



Rich people can also afford electric cars. Why would they pay extra just to drive a car that relies on fossil fuels?



The Greens aren‘t planning to ban cars.

I have to disagree here.
It’s not a fact at all. The reason to choose car over public transport isn’t rooted in cost only.

Your assumption that all that’s required to use an e-car is electricity (in and of itself) is also false. As of now, I would not be able to charge my car at home, as I cannot park it close enough to my flat and there are no charging stations anywhere. The closest at the moment is 16 km from my home.
Also, when it comes to long distance travel, e-cars still can’t cover my needs and train and bus are a logistical nightmare to use (rudimentary timetables, having to switch multiple times, taking multiple times as long to get where I need to go).
With the pandemic I don’t have to travel as much anymore, as some companies have finally figured out that a lot of stuff does not require face-to-face meetings, but it remains to be seen whether this trend will last.

If I was living in the city, I’d probably ditch my fossil-fueled car (or even refrained from having my own car at all), but living in a very rural area I do in fact need it as the proper infrastructure to go electric is simply not there.

As for rich people, they will keep doing whatever is most convenient for them, no matter the cost. But since they are the exception to the norm, I don’t think their choices are even worth discussing. Some of them have a green conscience, but most don’t and probably never will (aside from the obligatory green-washing of their companies), since they still seem to think that money will solve all their problems.

But what bothers me about e-cars is that they are not nearly as eco-friendly as they are presented to be, so for me personally the goal should be to a) come up with a much better technology (not possible in the short-term) and b) decrease the need for cars overall (which the Greens favour, but so far have made no progress on).

But as was already mentioned: The focus needs to shift from consumer cars to the industry anyway, because in the grander scheme of things, car emissions are a comparatively tiny contributor to the problem.

What I definitely agree on with theMathematician is that in order to really shift mindsets and behaviours, the goal should always be to reward desired behaviour rather than punishing bad behaviour.
When it comes to consumers, almost all behaviour that is harmful to the ecosystem is driven convenience rather than “not caring about nature”. As of now, there are still way too many eco-friendly alternatives that are hard to come by or very expensive (for obvious reasons). Ultimately, eco-friendly behaviour must be easy and affordable. Otherwise, things will never change on the consumer side.
It’s the industry that not only creates by far the most emissions, but which also encourages a wasteful mentality in consumers.
But many ideas the Greens have end up punishing the end-consumer rather than driving the industry to be more eco-friendly.

[theMathematician]

Dairy production should shrink by 40% and meat production by 75%.

Globally meat production is the biggest cause for environmental catastrophes. Our current way of life is not sustainable for the earth. I'm no vegetarian... but nobody needs to eat meat everyday... Twice a week should be sufficient.

The prices of some vegan products are not helping either.

My logic would say: 'Let's lower some of the vegan products' prices, so that people are willing to try them out because they can afford them, too!'
Greens' logic: 'Let's raise meat prices into foolish heights, so only rich people can afford meat anyway! #richkidz'

[stevyy]

I don't understand the focus on cars... the real bad guys in terms of Carbon emissions... is our industry and power plants... away with coal... NOW!!! 20 years ago Germany was the leading nation of re-newable energy... LEADING in innovation and technology... and then the CDU did not invest in those industries anymore and instead subsidised fossil energy plants again like coal. In the past 15 years, the green energy sector lost 20,000 jobs in Germany... why is that? Makes no sense...

Germany is so wealthy... we could become energy neutral in 10 years max... if we'd invest everything we have in green energy and facilitate the green revolution.

Here in the northern part of the country... green energy isn't even a problem bc we have the infrastructure to become neutral in mere months... the biggest problem here is soil pollution by our farmers... they are poisoning the ground water. I have 0 sympathy for farmers here.

Dairy production should shrink by 40% and meat production by 75%.

Globally meat production is the biggest cause for environmental catastrophes. Our current way of life is not sustainable for the earth. I'm no vegetarian... but nobody needs to eat meat everyday... Twice a week should be sufficient.

[Rihab]

For example making gas prices higher. It suggests: 'If gas prices are higher, people will ride their car less.'

That‘s a fact.

1. On the countryside, people will have to ride their car nonetheless as most alternatives are simply not applicable.

Even the most rural regions in Germany have electricity, so there is an alternative.

2. The rich people will do it nonetheless because... they can afford the higher gas prices.

Rich people can also afford electric cars. Why would they pay extra just to drive a car that relies on fossil fuels?

3. Everyone inbetween: Germany is a cars' nation. Do we really believe that everyone suddenly decides to ride via bus or bike? Unrealistic.

The Greens aren‘t planning to ban cars.

[theMathematician]

For example making gas prices higher. It suggests: 'If gas prices are higher, people will ride their car less.'
1. On the countryside, people will have to ride their car nonetheless as most alternatives are simply not applicable.
2. The rich people will do it nonetheless because... they can afford the higher gas prices.
3. Everyone inbetween: Germany is a cars' nation. Do we really believe that everyone suddenly decides to ride via bus or bike? Unrealistic.

The thing with the Greens is that they all have the rights to do all the things they consider implementable (and sometimes they don't even do that, e.g. refusing to travel by plane), yet they don't stop with themselves but want others to join their vision as well. In general, I'm not a fan of prohibiting problematic things but rather rewarding good things - and the Greens are all about prohibition.

[Rihab]

Do you really believe that ?

Name one that doesn't make sense from a scientific (not your personal) point of view. I'm not aware of any. Even veggie day would've done most Germans and the climate good.

[theMathematician]

At least the 'prohibitions' proposed by the Greens make scientific sense.

Do you really believe that ?