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  • #51
    Even before the trial is over? I guess they'd do this to Michael Jackson as well.
    Gone.

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    • #52
      Re: Spotify removes R Kelly & XXXTentacion from playlists

      And they still have Eminem and Elvis on it..


      Some white priviledge BS but continue white people with this
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      • #53
        Re: Spotify removes R Kelly & XXXTentacion from playlists

        It's just random, since it seems very pick and choose. Where do they draw the line and what are their complete values? Since there are so many problematic artists.

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        • #54
          Re: Spotify removes R Kelly & XXXTentacion from playlists

          They could delete everything R. Kelly just leave Ignition (Remix) there.

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          • #55
            Originally posted by Loveguru
            Some white priviledge BS but continue white people with this

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            • #56
              Originally posted by Ewokguy15
              Originally posted by Loveguru
              Some white priviledge BS but continue white people with this
              loveguru has legit points here.
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              • #57
                Originally posted by stevyy
                Originally posted by Ewokguy15
                Originally posted by Loveguru
                Some white priviledge BS but continue white people with this
                loveguru has legit points here.
                Not every social conflict should be framed as a race issue, especially since it's an European company were race is less salient. The issue here is something completely different (for now). And the discussion in this thread show it. Race/ethnicity is still (and will always) be an issue, also in Europe. But I find it hard to see a straight forward connection here. Although I do understand why it might be perceived that way... But I would argue the conflict is too young to really label as such. I'm curious to see how these discussions will evolve, as people said it's a slippery road for a multiplex of reasons.
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                • #58
                  I agree, not every social conflict should be framed as a race issue, particularly when it is not. However, it's an interesting point made here... why is it that the only two artists who have been removed from Spotify's own playlists are people of colour?

                  Is it because there are no examples of white artists who have committed similar acts to R Kelly and XXXTenacion? Well, categorically, no. Lostprophets are still 'available' for Spotify to add to playlists, despite their lead singer's history. Plenty of other examples here too.

                  Now, I'm not saying Spotify are wrong to drop artists from their favour in order to support 'good' traits. As a business, that's their decision entirely, but its still a valid question. Why these artists and why not others?

                  The original issue of course, actually isn't race. I get that. So why make it a racial issue? Because; whether intentionally or not, Spotify have singled out people of colour. You might not agree. How lucky you are to go through life colour-blind. Not everybody is so lucky.
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                  • #59
                    Originally posted by Michiel
                    Originally posted by stevyy
                    Originally posted by Ewokguy15
                    Originally posted by Loveguru
                    Some white priviledge BS but continue white people with this
                    loveguru has legit points here.
                    Not every social conflict should be framed as a race issue, especially since it's an European company were race is less salient. The issue here is something completely different (for now). And the discussion in this thread show it. Race/ethnicity is still (and will always) be an issue, also in Europe. But I find it hard to see a straight forward connection here. Although I do understand why it might be perceived that way... But I would argue the conflict is too young to really label as such. I'm curious to see how these discussions will evolve, as people said it's a slippery road for a multiplex of reasons.
                    The two blocked people here are black.... and it's not about race. get out of here
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                    • #60
                      It should be left to the justice system to punish them if they're proven guilty, and that's where it should stop. Everything else is very similar or heading to something similar to burning books by the Nazis or a witch hunt if they're not even convicted. Did they remove Michael Jackson's "You Are Not Alone" too, and every other song R. Kelly wrote for other artists?

                      I am a legalist and I am against taking justice into our hands or any additional punishment.
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                      • #61
                        Re: Spotify removes R Kelly & XXXTentacion from playlists

                        It’s an editorial decision. It’s their playlists.
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                        • #62
                          Originally posted by Loveguru
                          Originally posted by Michiel
                          Originally posted by Ewokguy15
                          Originally posted by Loveguru
                          Some white priviledge BS but continue white people with this
                          Not every social conflict should be framed as a race issue, especially since it's an European company were race is less salient. The issue here is something completely different (for now). And the discussion in this thread show it. Race/ethnicity is still (and will always) be an issue, also in Europe. But I find it hard to see a straight forward connection here. Although I do understand why it might be perceived that way... But I would argue the conflict is too young to really label as such. I'm curious to see how these discussions will evolve, as people said it's a slippery road for a multiplex of reasons.
                          The two blocked people here are black.... and it's not about race. get out of here
                          I'm just saying the discussion is more complex than that, and I said it might be.

                          And I highly doubt your intellectual forefathers from W.E.B Dubois, Peggy McIntosh, Derrick Bell to Crenshaw would easily link this with race. Bell even talks about a similar experience in one of his introductions, simply pointing out that not every conflict between a black and a white is an act of racism. They rather investigate the conflict in detail, before labelling it as such. Maybe you should do the same. Is race often neglected or named something else in an interpersonal or structural conflict? Yes. But as far as I know this doesn't mean race is always at heart of a conflict between people with a different racial background. Equating every conflict with race, is as simplistic as people who would argue that racism is a thing of the past.
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                          • #63
                            @loveguru
                            Yes they are black but they are two of the worst people ever. Don't care if they're black, blue or red.

                            X beat up his pregnant girlfriend among others, he shouldn't even have a fcking record deal. Also his lyrics are obsessive, depressive and appalling

                            Also Michiel put his view really nicely and all you can do is using a basic argument and tell him to get out of here.
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                            • #64
                              Re: Spotify removes R Kelly & XXXTentacion from playlists

                              Just close this Spotify mess altogether.
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                              • #65
                                Originally posted by DnBLover
                                @loveguru
                                Yes they are black but they are two of the worst people ever. Don't care if they're black, blue or red.

                                X beat up his pregnant girlfriend among others, he shouldn't even have a fcking record deal. Also his lyrics are obsessive, depressive and appalling

                                Also Michiel put his view really nicely and all you can do is using a basic argument and tell him to get out of here.
                                I gave you two examples of people who are white and have a past that is horrible.

                                Your logic here is just wonky a person who killed 1 person and 5 are both equally as bad!

                                So if Spotify wants to do this clean up can we PLEASE for once not just perpetuate the stereotype that only black males do bad stuff. Sure R Kelly is as a** wipe but so was Elvis and is Eminem etc. I am not even trying here in terms of listing White males that should not be on spotify if we are going to do this.

                                In terms of lyrics Robin Thicke literally has his rape anthem on spotify.... so let's not even go there.


                                My statement was not to the defense of the two males here but more a side eye at how they only chose black males for this when the criteria is not even based on proven guilty ( in regards to R kelly...)
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                                • #66
                                  @Micheli gurl

                                  I'm just saying the discussion is more complex than that, and I said it might be.

                                  And I highly doubt your intellectual forefathers from W.E.B Dubois, Peggy McIntosh, Derrick Bell to Crenshaw would easily link this with race. Bell even talks about a similar experience in one of his introductions, simply pointing out that not every conflict between a black and a white is an act of racism. They rather investigate the conflict in detail, before labelling it as such. Maybe you should do the same. Is race often neglected or named something else in an interpersonal or structural conflict? Yes. But as far as I know this doesn't mean race is always at heart of a conflict between people with a different racial background. Equating every conflict with race, is as simplistic as people who would argue that racism is a thing of the past.[/quote]


                                  Yes Man the issue is complex as hell but there is a reason why Bill Cosby is in Jail and Harvey is out. There is also a reason why R Kelly is in this conundrum and Eminem isn't

                                  I mean that 60's singer who basically committed incest in on Spotify.. this is whack as hell

                                  In fact I will even use MJ they will never tarnish his legacy because he to some degree made music for white people.

                                  The issue is complex yes but as we unpack it why do black males always fall first for the same bloody crime. Riddle me that then I will meet you half way because you know damn well that this is just sus af!
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                                  • #67
                                    Re: Spotify removes R Kelly & XXXTentacion from playlists

                                    If you are going to remove flies from your house remove ALL flies and not be selective.
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                                    • #68
                                      Well the whole thing is just dumb anyways, for who are they doing this? The casual listener doesn't care if a R.Kelly song is on their work-out or party playlist and if they do, they will make their own, I assume.
                                      Nothing is even getting removed from Spotify, they just want a pat on the back and say 'look at us!! We are a 'good' company, we don;t support this kind of behaviour'.
                                      Also they just point out two acts is stupid, if you do it, atleast make a damn list of atleast 20 acts and counting

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                                      • #69
                                        I knew there would be fallout.

                                        HITS: CARTER TO EXIT SPOTIFY?

                                        In the wake of controversy surrounding Spotify’s announcement of its Policy on Hate Content and Hateful Conduct, it’s rumored that Troy Carter will step down from his post as Global Head of Creative Services later this year.

                                        Since the announcement, which highlighted the removal of music by R. Kelly and XXXTentacion from the streamery's playlists, the socials have lit up with outrage over the policy.

                                        "Spotify is wrong for what they’re doing” to these artists, 50 Cent asserted on Twitter. "They're not even convicted of anything." Others are reprimanding Spotify for targeting a mere two artists, while other alleged predators are unaffected. Some are calling the move an act of racism. The New York Times quoted a rep from XXX's team, who asked if the company would also be removing music by Gene Simmons, Red Hot Chili Peppers and others.

                                        A statement from Carter has yet to be released; some insiders at Spotify believe the company’s decision to put out a press release about the new policy may have been a key motivator in Carter’s decision to resign. It’s believed that he fought against the idea of announcing the policy changes and trumpeting the idea of determining “values,” which has drawn the ire of much of the music community. Had Spotify simply changed its approach to promoting artists without grandstanding in the press, these insiders say, this firestorm might’ve been avoided.

                                        The well-liked and respected Carter joined Daniel Ek's team in 2016 after a highly successful run as an artist manager and tech specialist who worked with closely with the likes of Lady Gaga, John Legend, Charlie Puth and Meghan Trainor.

                                        For what it's worth, sources inside Spotify say this rumor is completely untrue. Stay tuned for updates.

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                                        • #70
                                          Originally posted by heppolo
                                          Just close this Spotify mess altogether.
                                          And go back to the good ol' fashion world of piracy? I don't think so.

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                                          • #71
                                            It's not spotify's business to pass judgment. But I guess that's the result of creating monopolies in any industry. They can do whatever they like. The fact that they ban artists just because they can is disturbing to say the least...
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                                            • #72
                                              Originally posted by jio
                                              It's not spotify's business to pass judgment. But I guess that's the result of creating monopolies in any industry. They can do whatever they like. The fact that they ban artists just because they can is disturbing to say the least...

                                              Whilst I don’t disagree, the fact is they aren’t banned - just not promoted. The issue I have is that once they start, it’s a slippery slope. I mean, what if someone speaks out against streaming? Or against the money Spotify pay per stream? Spotify don’t have to put up with that and can quite easily take action against the ‘offender’.

                                              The thing is Spotify won’t even need to admit it so publicly - there’s nothing stopping them doing this on the quiet without ever having to address it.
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                                              • #73
                                                I agree with the HITS writer here. I personally had no idea Spotify had a "mute" function.

                                                THE MURKY MORALITY OF SPOTIFY'S LATEST MOVE
                                                by Michelle Santosuosso

                                                The backlash against Spotify’s new Hate Content and Hateful Conduct Public Policy has been immediate and fierce, despite the company’s alignment with organizations such as The Anti-Defamation League, GLAAD and the Southern Poverty Law Center to justify its freshly announced editorial positions about specific artists, beginning with R Kelly and XXXTentacion.

                                                No matter how you dissect their confusing new edict, its real purpose, not to mention its conflicting values for similar offenders in other musical genres and ethnic groups, appears to be rooted more in agenda than principle.

                                                It’s hard to ignore the fact that Spotify, whose considerable lead has been squeezed in recent months by Apple Music gains, has managed to dominate the news cycle since the controversial policy rolled out late last week, embedded with the hot-button issues of race, sexual violence and censorship.

                                                “We don’t censor content because of an artist’s or creator’s behavior, but we want our editorial decisions—what we choose to program--to reflect our values,” the announcement, first posted on the company’s blog, reads. “When an artist or creator does something that is especially harmful or hateful, it may affect the ways we work with or support that artist or creator.”

                                                Yet, while Spotify’s new values are too lofty to allow XXXTentacion onto say, the RapCaviar playlist and its 9m followers, they seem to be quite willing overlook peers like Famous Dex (“JAPAN”) and Youngboy Never Broke Again (“Outside Today”) who have both been allegedly caught on camera engaging in the same behavior that resulted in the restriction of XXX.

                                                And why don’t these personal values seem to include artists of other genres but focus on the R&B star and the rapper? What about taking off songs from Dr. Luke then? Why wasn’t the past behavior of Gene Simmons, Jimmy Page, Ozzy Osbourne, Red Hot Chili Peppers or Sid Vicious applied here?

                                                Jonathan Prince, who joined Spotify as Global Head of Communications and Public Policy in 2014, is rumored to be a major force behind this new policy.

                                                Even if the actual agenda here is far from nefarious and completely earnest in its intent, the rollout was beyond naïve in its execution. A much simpler, less provocative way to handle this—and actually, could have been used to highlight a key benefit that customization provides—would have been for the service to address its stance, but then offer a “How-To Guide” on utilizing Spotify tools to mute those artists from your recommendations and feed, much like blocking unwelcome users on social networks or unwanted callers on a smart phone.

                                                But Spotify wasn’t interested in lauding its tech. Instead, the company chose to mount a soapbox. In doing so, it revealed that its “values” ride the line of unconscious bias.


                                                So here’s where we are now: Spotify—which is based in Sweden, a country with a predominantly white populace—is enforcing a policy rooted in “our values” by policing content created largely by African-American artists.

                                                There must be a more productive way to project one’s values
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                                                • #74
                                                  It is curious that XXX has been "punished" but 6ix9ine hasn't. Same genre, same audience(?). One is black, one is hispanic.

                                                  And Roman Polanski suddenly getting punished by the Academy for underage sex surely means Bill Wyman is about to be belatedly "silenced" for having sex with Mandy Smith when she was 14? Not. (he has no audience for his non-Stones material, anyway).
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                                                  • #75
                                                    Quelle surprise!

                                                    Spotify Drops ‘Hate Content and Conduct’ Policy After Controversy

                                                    Spotify has swiftly reversed course on its recently introduced policy around “hate content and conduct,” announcing Friday that it was dropping the plan.

                                                    “[W]hile we believe our intentions were good, the language was too vague, we created confusion and concern, and didn’t spend enough time getting input from our own team and key partners before sharing new guidelines,” the company said in a statement.

                                                    The company added, “We will continue to seek ways to impact the greater good and further the industry we all care so much about. We believe Spotify has an opportunity to help push the broader music community forward through conversation, collaboration and action. We’re committed to working across the artist and advocacy communities to help achieve that.”

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