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    • Originally posted by zagan0401 View Post
      he's suggesting the extermination of trans people


      the problem is that they're trying to hide behind the usual "protect the kids" when they're just homophobic, transphobic and using this to push an agenda for "family" votes in their upcoming elections. we all know that kids don't go drag bars, reading to kids isn't sexualised and these people were fine with robin williams in a dress
      what's going on?

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      • Originally posted by zagan0401 View Post
        he's suggesting the extermination of trans people


        This type of ridiculous language is so problematic, nobody is trying to exterminate anyone, why do people on your side of this debate always talk in such catastrophic terms? This probably has something to do with safe guarding already vulnerable women from men who identify as women and then go on to rape women, most recent case was Isla Bryson.

        Plym - this lazy logic makes no sense to me, it’s like me saying you’re only saying what you say to appear virtuous and you don’t mean what you say and that there is an ulterior motive. I mean who the hell am I to assume what is going on in your head?

        Why is it so hard to grasp that parents are worried about how some elements of trans ideology may have some negative effects on their children?

        Telling kids that you can be born in the wrong body (which many people do not believe by the way) and that you can identify as anything you want can confuse children and send them down the wrong path, there are many emerging detransitioners to attest to such stories, these discussions never have any nuance at all…
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        • Originally posted by CrazyCrazy View Post

          This type of ridiculous language is so problematic, nobody is trying to exterminate anyone, why do people on your side of this debate always talk in such catastrophic terms? This probably has something to do with safe guarding already vulnerable women from men who identify as women and then go on to rape women, most recent case was Isla Bryson.

          Plym - this lazy logic makes no sense to me, it’s like me saying you’re only saying what you say to appear virtuous and you don’t mean what you say and that there is an ulterior motive. I mean who the hell am I to assume what is going on in your head?

          Why is it so hard to grasp that parents are worried about how some elements of trans ideology may have some negative effects on their children?

          Telling kids that you can be born in the wrong body (which many people do not believe by the way) and that you can identify as anything you want can confuse children and send them down the wrong path, there are many emerging detransitioners to attest to such stories, these discussions never have any nuance at all…
          "it isn't true... delusion vision of human nature that denies reality ... it's it all or nothing..."

          If it doesn't exist a possibility of a person who was assigned male at birth becomes a woman... so, it's impossible being a woman trans.

          Extermination is the name we give for when the possibility of existence and expression of a minority social group is denied

          And you're just an racist expelling anti-trans propaganda, it impresses me to know how to write "detransitioners" properly

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          • UKMIX, feel free to banish me for rudeness and other nonsense claims. That will be an honor. It's a moral duty not to be nice to radical evil.


            Originally posted by CrazyCrazy View Post
            Telling kids that you can be born in the wrong body (which many people do not believe by the way) and that you can identify as anything you want can confuse children and send them down the wrong path, there are many emerging detransitioners to attest to such stories, these discussions never have any nuance at all…
            The education fails to explain to its citizens that "we are not saying something to children". What has been done, under threats and repression, is to announce a scientific fact attest to the science of the UK and regioną: gender dysphoria exists, as well as the persistent incongruity between gender identity and body expression. No cure.

            I don't know if you know a country called Switzerland, it's worth knowing.

            In this country, based in Geneva, it is the UN Human Rights Council, where resolution A/HRC/17/19 was ratified in 2011˛, ensuring the human right to gender identity and a life free of prejudice and stigma. Especially the protection - under the UN Charter - of these disgusting opinions which are strictly prohibited from being state policies by international law.

            Feel free to continue turning the UK into the white and resentful version of Iran/Saudi Arabia. Never mind, the civilized world will be attentive to condemn it.

            ąDOI: 10.1007/s11682-016-9578-6
            ˛UN resolution
            Last edited by zagan0401; Sun March 5, 2023, 06:01.

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            • Originally posted by CrazyCrazy View Post

              Why is it so hard to grasp that parents are worried about how some elements of trans ideology may have some negative effects on their children?

              Telling kids that you can be born in the wrong body (which many people do not believe by the way) and that you can identify as anything you want can confuse children and send them down the wrong path, there are many emerging detransitioners to attest to such stories, these discussions never have any nuance at all…
              I don’t really understand the logic of being worried about children being exposed to trans ideology - is it that if children meet trans people they may think ‘oh maybe I’m trans too?’. I think most children won’t even notice if someone is or isn’t trans and would also just accept that person for who they are. Is it no different to children meeting gay people? They do not become gay as any of us on here could attest.

              Telling people you can be attracted to the same sex has no different connotations to what you’ve said above. Transitioning is a long process with lots of medical input and there will always be people who regret things they do in life - that does not mean we should stop gender transitioning for everyone but it should be a decision for the child, parents and their medical team. People take drugs or get horrible tattoos or have teenage pregnancies and maybe regret these decisions they’ve made in their lives too - everyone makes mistakes in life, so there will always be a small number who come out and regret transitioning. And there are people in life who want to blame everyone else for things that happen to them too.

              Where do your concerns come from? I agree we need to be able to have these open debates. The issue is that in the US it’s so politicised and polarised (Rep v Dem) that it’s hard to see that any of the apparent concerns for children are actually genuine when so many children die via gun violence each year but they are instead banning drag to ‘save the children’. It really does feel like oppression in attempt to shift the focus away from the real concerns.
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              • Resorting to name calling and failing to acknowledge issues within gender ideology, gaslighting women etc is not gonna bring people over to your side zagan. The world is not made of Nazis and non-nazis, unlike what your circles might have you believe. Most people in the world are good people, even if they don't share your views they don't mean harm to others. This topic has been debated extensively on UKmix, there are two sides to the coin but one of these sides doesn't acknowledge it. Ignores that there are problems with detransitioning. There are problems with rapes in prison. Etc etc. This is the truth and ignoring it doesn't change the truth. And they highlight the larger issue: your gender identity doesn't change your biology. Human sex is binary and it has true consequences to how you are. There are several trans people against this left mainstream ideology, that gender supersedes everything and everyone.

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                Your xenophobic claims towards the UK are also not welcome. This is a UK-based website ffs. You have no fcking clue of what you are saying with that insinuation. The only racist comment I read here was yours.
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                • Originally posted by CrazyCrazy View Post
                  Why is it so hard to grasp that parents are worried about how some elements of trans ideology may have some negative effects on their children?
                  Because it is irrational.

                  That’s what it comes down to. You can dress it up however you want to, but there is no rational explanation for hate borne from fear of the unknown.

                  The anti-trans movement is not new. Everything we are seeing now we have seen before - they’re just taking the same arguments lobbied against gay people and throwing them at those that are trans. It wasn’t that long ago that jokes about being raped by gay men were socially acceptable, or that gay people were routinely considered predators and abusers.

                  History is repeating itself and just like before, the fears, the hate, the vitriol, the legal action and the inequality that a minority group faced remains unjust.

                  There is nothing to be feared from children learning about the existence of transgenderism. Children are the best of us because their capacity to accept and love knows no bounds. It is only later that they learn fear and hate, like racism, homophobia, transphobia and enbyphobia.

                  I know a child that was adopted over a decade ago by lesbian couple. One of them ultimately transitioned and he has the absolute best relationship with his son. Adults complicate things where children just accept.

                  That’s what people fear - that the next generation has the ability to accept something the current generation doesn’t like. It has nothing to do with protecting children and everything about power and control.
                  I have a bad feeling about this.

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                  • westhammer sums up my feelings really.

                    Children being aware of the existence of trans people and drag queens, and meeting such people, isn’t going to ‘make them turn out that way’ any more than a gay child being forced to play with action men instead of dolls and being taken to football matches will make them turn out to be straight.

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                    • Bravo Artoo.

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                      • The idea that gay men are inherently dangerous for women exists in the Muslim world. Because of this, among other reasons, gays are thrown from the top of buildings, publicly hanged or even suffer severe social ostracism through arrests and criminal prosecutions. A similar idea was once dominant against black men.
                        The day that this anti-trans reactionary clothed in "protection of women" spills over into the gay men's community, the reactionary part of the UKMIX community will be able to rethink itself, if it is still free and alive for it

                        All this is just a symptom of the low representation of this community in this forum, you are an ostracized minority opinion in other spaces. As a cis woman, I will play the role of bringing that person's voice here

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                        • Originally posted by DnBLover View Post
                          Resorting to name calling and failing to acknowledge issues within gender ideology, gaslighting women etc is not gonna bring people over to your side zagan. The world is not made of Nazis and non-nazis, unlike what your circles might have you believe. Most people in the world are good people, even if they don't share your views they don't mean harm to others. This topic has been debated extensively on UKmix, there are two sides to the coin but one of these sides doesn't acknowledge it. Ignores that there are problems with detransitioning. There are problems with rapes in prison. Etc etc. This is the truth and ignoring it doesn't change the truth. And they highlight the larger issue: your gender identity doesn't change your biology. Human sex is binary and it has true consequences to how you are. There are several trans people against this left mainstream ideology, that gender supersedes everything and everyone.

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                          Your xenophobic claims towards the UK are also not welcome. This is a UK-based website ffs. You have no fcking clue of what you are saying with that insinuation. The only racist comment I read here was yours.
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                          The only ideology I see here is the one that says the UK is suffering from reverse racism.

                          There are no "rape" issues in women's prisons, this is information distorted by anecdotal media evidence.

                          Sexual abuse and sex without consent can be carried out by any gender and sex, regardless of genitals.

                          There is a vast literature talking about rape and sexual abuse in the community of cis lesbian women, for example.

                          When there is any legitimate doubt about the behavior of a trans woman, she can be isolated or with other trans prisoners in the same situation, as it is done in Brazil, it seems so simple...

                          Gender identity can change the course of what is expected for your sex from cross-therapy regimens, implants and operations. The latest evidence is that the skeleton of trans girls who make the entire female hormonal trajectory is the same as the skeleton of cis women.

                          98% of the transgender female community in the Netherlands in follow-up do not detransition, over 95% are part of hormonal regimens and operations.

                          I understand that you want to debate in good faith some small, more controversial points of the expansion of trans rights, such as the issue of women's sports, but that's not what the republican politician and the guy who replied to him did.
                          Last edited by zagan0401; Sun March 5, 2023, 19:14.

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                          • Not that other arguments aren’t just as flawed, but the “rape in prison” thing baffles me the most. As if prisons were ever a particularly safe place just as long as you keep all genders neatly separated.
                            If you (as a woman) get booked and your biggest worry is “gee, I hope there is no self-proclaimed female with a penis in there; I don’t wanna get raped” you obviously have no clue about prison life.

                            And yes, this line of thinking is eerily similar to the once common notion that a hetero man should feel uncomfortable having to share a changing room with a gay guy, because as soon as he bends over he will be penetrated.

                            Btw, as a woman I hate how often something-phobic men instrumentalise us for their “arguments”.
                            You know, like when I criticise xenophobic people and they try to convince me that I should be terrified of going anywhere on my own because of all these foreigners roaming the streets.

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                            • The Drag ban in the US continues and I‘m super shocked that if it wouldn‘t be for my Drag Race queens that I follow on insta, I wouldn‘t even know about it - but that‘s so crazy and honestly one of the most worrying things in politics for years.

                              I mean think about it: If Drag is banned, when is Drag considered Drag and what consequences could Trans people face because of these bans?

                              I guess the only good thing to come out of this is that the LGBTQIA+ community has come far enough to be targeted like that again. If we were still silenced, we wouldn‘t be target.

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                              • I’m only seeing it via the queens too, it’s heinous and all part of the wider agenda to eradicate trans people, then they will come for the gays.

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                                • Originally posted by Thriller View Post
                                  I’m only seeing it via the queens too, it’s heinous and all part of the wider agenda to eradicate trans people, then they will come for the gays.
                                  The US Supreme Court and various governors have already started the process I think. The world has gone crazy.
                                  I have a bad feeling about this.

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                                  • MUSIC BIZ CONDEMNS TENNESSEE'S RECENT ANTI-LGBTQ+ LEGISLATION

                                    HITSDD, March 9, 2023


                                    The Music Business Association (Music Biz) has issued a statement on recent anti-LGBTQ+ legislation passed by Tennessee state lawmakers. Read it in full below.

                                    “The Music Business Association condemns the decision by Tennessee state lawmakers to pass recent discriminatory bills removing the rights of transgender youth to receive gender-affirming healthcare and effectively making the performance of drag shows in public places illegal. These bigoted actions are especially concerning as we believe the intentional use of vague, inflammatory language will act as a gateway to encouraging acts of violence against the LGBTQ+ community.

                                    “Our annual Music Biz Conference has brought more than 2,500 attendees from 30 countries and all walks of life to Nashville since 2015. In our second year in Nashville, we publicly condemned Tennessee lawmakers’ support of the discriminatory HB 2414 ‘Bathroom Bill’ and HB 1840 ‘Counseling Discrimination’ legislation. Almost eight years later and things appear to be getting worse, not better for trans and LGBTQ+ people in this state.

                                    “The music industry is built upon the work of artists, many of whom identify as trans, non-binary, genderqueer and LGBTQ+. Legislation like this threatens the safety of artists and others and will force businesses to reconsider holding events in this state. The safety of our conference attendees is central to our association and will be of paramount concern in planning future events under the Music Biz banner.”

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                                      • I'm so sick of this wave of transphobia and homophobia. If there were responsible people in power, they would just deplatform, defund and boycott anything coming from a company or a state that's actively trying to hurt our community. But again, no one responsible is in charge.
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                                        • Originally posted by jordi_89 View Post
                                          I'm so sick of this wave of transphobia and homophobia. If there were responsible people in power, they would just deplatform, defund and boycott anything coming from a company or a state that's actively trying to hurt our community. But again, no one responsible is in charge.
                                          in the near future

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                                          • Another win for hate:

                                            Uganda passes bill banning identifying as LGBTQ+

                                            https://www.reuters.com/world/africa...tq-2023-03-21/

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                                            • The world is a dark, dangerous and scary place. That’s why as rainbow people we need to be showing solidarity with every part of our community - otherwise they will divide and conquer. It’s sickening.
                                              I have a bad feeling about this.

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                                              • DnBLover really out here acting as if rape isn't an issue in all prisons.
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                                                • Will this also affect cis athletes with high levels of testosterone? Because similar bans have affected them in the past.


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                                                  • Originally posted by InFamous View Post
                                                    DnBLover really out here acting as if rape isn't an issue in all prisons.
                                                    Is impregnation an issue in all prisons?

                                                    It's a layered issue, just accept it
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