Mariah Carey

[loverboy01]

[MrDash]

The stability of the song on iTunes is amazing tho (still in Top 10 after 9 days). I'm really hoping that it could beat the chart-run of Oh Santa remix (22 days).

[Yerac]

I was not giving a tone.

I was plainly stating that there is an issue with continuously posting the conflated numbers (of both the OG + RE) as it is giving the impression that the remix version is performing well at radio. The reality is that we don't know if this is the case.

Posting what you have is fine, but this context is vitally important to mention and part of chart analysis. There is already evidence in this thread, on twitter and elsewhere that people are confused because people are not mentioning that the numbers they are posting are not for the remix but potentially for both OG+RE or just for OG.

You kind of give us a bit of a tone but thats ok.

We have been saying for the past days that those numbers are combined. But if you can do better please shine! And lets us know

[MrDash]

Australia, Canada, US and UK have been very supportive of the song on most platforms so far.

[bm08]

You kind of give us a bit of a tone but thats ok.

We have been saying for the past days that those numbers are combined. But if you can do better please shine! And lets us know

Do you think posting the combined numbers at this stage is misleading, particularly when it is labeled as the remix?

I am waiting for Billboard/Radio to update their airplay chart to see if they are differentiating it and how. It may give us some insight.

[Sebastian]

Do you think posting the combined numbers at this stage is misleading, particularly when it is labeled as the remix?

I am waiting for Billboard/Radio to update their airplay chart to see if they are differentiating it and how. It may give us some insight.

I don't think Billboard does that for remixes, it just combines the airplay for all versions.

[Sebastian]

Nice to see the song steady on iTunes, and still being added to playlists. Let's pray for a credit next week but it comes down to what version is radio playing.

[MrDash]

I don't think Billboard does that for remixes, it just combines the airplay for all versions.

Sometimes they do mention in their articles, if the remix becomes more successful.

[Sebastian]

Mimi needs to call some radio stations¡¡! Z100, B96, KiisFM, all the big ones!

[skylynx]

I don't think Billboard takes a straight 50% or even thereabouts rule for radio as if it applied that none of the previous Remix fuled #1s would've gotten there if radio was also applied strictly.

There must be some lee-way there cause it will take ages for any remix to obtain the same number of spins as the original. The key is how quickly it replaces the original. In this case, there's some reason to believe that most of the increases is attributed to the remix being played so hopefully Billboard can take that into account.

It's clearly ahead in Sales, and neck and neck probably in streaming accross all formats.

[Xmas]

I don't think Billboard takes a straight 50% or even thereabouts rule for radio as if it applied that none of the previous Remix fuled #1s would've gotten there if radio was also applied strictly.

There must be some lee-way there cause it will take ages for any remix to obtain the same number of spins as the original. The key is how quickly it replaces the original. In this case, there's some reason to believe that most of the increases is attributed to the remix being played so hopefully Billboard can take that into account.

It's clearly ahead in Sales, and neck and neck probably in streaming accross all formats.

No Billboard is counting in terms of combined metrics. The remix need to count for >50% of the points taking into consideration Streams, Radio and Sales. Does not need to be played more on Radio but here BE being so big on radio is making it difficult for Mariah to overcome the gap because we do not have the streams to make it up for. With that being said, I believe Billboard is willing to bend the 50% rule if the remix push the song to #1 they tend to credit everyone if the Remix is in the range of 45%-50% of the total points for the song. That’s what happened with Nicki for instance that’s why chart predictors were saying Billboard is on a case by case with those remixes and who to credit.

[MrDash]

There must be some lee-way there cause it will take ages for any remix to obtain the same number of spins as the original. The key is how quickly it replaces the original.

Exactly. It is hard to influence radio to drop the OG all of a sudden after it has been rising steadily all these months. This switch is gonna be slow and gradual. But with sales and streams by our side, we can speed up this process to a certain extent. Getting the credits first should be a priority before going for that #1 position.

[Sebastian]

I don't think Billboard takes a straight 50% or even thereabouts rule for radio as if it applied that none of the previous Remix fuled #1s would've gotten there if radio was also applied strictly.

There must be some lee-way there cause it will take ages for any remix to obtain the same number of spins as the original. The key is how quickly it replaces the original. In this case, there's some reason to believe that most of the increases is attributed to the remix being played so hopefully Billboard can take that into account.

It's clearly ahead in Sales, and neck and neck probably in streaming accross all formats.

"Carey and DJ Khaled are not listed on “Big Energy” on the Hot 100, as the remix did not account for the majority of the song’s overall consumption during the tracking week."

If there's only 2 versions of the song I guess it would need to have >50% of the points but if there are other versions I guess the one with the biggest percentage gets the credit, regardless of it being less than 50%. At least that's what I get from "majority of overall consumption".

[bm08]

No Billboard is counting in terms of combined metrics. The remix need to count for >50% of the points taking into consideration Streams, Radio and Sales. Does not need to be played more on Radio but here BE being so big on radio is making it difficult for Mariah to overcome the gap because we do not have the streams to make it up for. With that being said, I believe Billboard is willing to bend the 50% rule if the remix push the song to #1 they tend to credit everyone.

I am not sure I agree that Billboard is willing to be *that* lenient.

I think they will perhaps be more open if the remix leads on 2/3 metrics (ie. streaming and sales). I think last week (potentially) the remix only led on sales? Idk.

[Sebastian]

Maybe once Mariah gets credited Billboard will explain the criteria further. Praying that it happens next monday.

[bm08]

Exactly. It is hard to influence radio to drop the OG all of a sudden after it has been rising steadily all these months. This switch is gonna be slow and gradual. But with sales and streams by our side, we can speed up this process to a certain extent. Getting the credits first should be a priority before going for that #1 position.

I agree with this. I dont think there is any rush either. What radio is showing is that they love Big Energy (whether that is OG or remix). Streaming and sales are really lagging and this is where MC is making an impact (potentially?).

The good thing is that radio takes time to build and, on some formats, it also takes time to drop songs. So this could mean good longevity.

Latto's team did an interview with Billboard a few weeks ago about how much they invested in radio to get them to play Big Energy. So you would hope and think that this has helped and will help the remix too (we are just not sure atm).

One comment Mariah made in passing on one of her live streams is that some of the people she knew at radio did not yet have access to the remix. This is potentially a red flag as MC - despite it all - does have some friends at big stations that could give the song a few spins here and there.

[Dash08]

Do you think posting the combined numbers at this stage is misleading, particularly when it is labeled as the remix?

I am waiting for Billboard/Radio to update their airplay chart to see if they are differentiating it and how. It may give us some insight.

Until we get individual airplay numbers, this is the only way we can track the airplay of the song.

[Sebastian]

Until we get individual airplay numbers, this is the only way we can track the airplay of the song.

I don't think the average Karen can get that kind of info. C'mon lambs, does anyone have an insider with a Mediabase account?

[bm08]

Until we get individual airplay numbers, this is the only way we can track the airplay of the song.

I am not disagreeing with you and others in this regard. But I am saying we have to be clear about what we are tracking. It would be misleading to suggest the figures on Kworb is reflective of radio playing the remix. If people interpret it as such, it leads to a number of issues.



For example (from twitter):

As far as we currently know, this is misleading. We have no indication from radio or billboard that Mariah is being credited as having a top 5 song due to the remix. Hopefully she does get credit at radio (whether on Billboard or Mediabase, etc) as well. We just have to wait and see.

[Yerac]

Do you think posting the combined numbers at this stage is misleading, particularly when it is labeled as the remix?

I am waiting for Billboard/Radio to update their airplay chart to see if they are differentiating it and how. It may give us some insight.

As we said, ut has been stated several times that wr font know which part of the increase is from yhe remix. We see that since the remix has been released, the audience has risen more.

Once again, if you want to, everytime we publish it we will put a disclaimer so you happy

[Aries88]

The latest success of Fantasy underlines the fact that the greater audience is still eager to listen to Pop-Riah!

Why she doesnt want to get it after 15+ years of no chart success with new singles is beyond any logical comprehension.

Nobody has been asking for hopping on trends but delievering „easier to Listen to“ songs with an accompanying hiphop-remix wouldnt hurt her artistic status and in no way her chart successes.

maybe she understands it now … its never too late, huh ;)

[Yerac]

As we said, ut has been stated several times that wr font know which part of the increase is from yhe remix. We see that since the remix has been released, the audience has risen more.

Once again, if you want to, everytime we publish it we will put a disclaimer so you happy

As we said, ut has been stated several times that we dont know which part of the increase is from yhe remix. We see that since the remix has been released, the audience has risen more.

Once again, if you want to, everytime we publish it we will put a disclaimer so you happy

[MrDash]

I don't think the average Karen can get that kind of info. C'mon lambs, does anyone have an insider with a Mediabase account?

Working on it.

[InFamous]

I think we should take advantage of streaming and sales since radio is hard to regulate. BE debuted on the Streaming Songs chart just last week due to the release of the album and remix. This tells us that although the OG was streamed all this while, it never really carried the song, only radio did. Thus, we should give more importance to streaming as it's the most important component of the chart.

Radio has been carrying the song the whole time. Up to 50 percent of its chart points are coming from radio. Ive said that days ago at this stage. Radio is the most important metric at the minute - some songs in the top 20 are 55/60 percent radio fuelled.

[InFamous]

I bought the single from my 3 accounts

If you are using a VPN to pretend youre in the US they wont count. Billboard have software to detect these things - that is how Dua was caught earlier in the year. If not, then well done on supporting the remix in your home country