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  • Well... moving on...

    Speaking of Butterfly:

    MESMARIAHSING!

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    • We Belong Together finally moved into the top 50 on iTunes, #46 atm.
      See The Mariah Carey Discography Rate
      See The Report Card - Weekly Top Songs

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      • Originally posted by skylynx View Post

        I do wonder how much surgery can turn her voice back to what it was before or at least bring back the tone. Though are there any experts around who can tell us how much she can expect to get back?

        thd biggest turnoff I have with her voice today is the tone. It just sounds too sharp and squeekish. It lacks a solid support.

        though would you take the risk? Keep it as is. or forever risk not being able to sing properly again . Big risk to take.

        She might risk losing her whistle register though if she chose to remove those nodules by surgery.

        And you are absolutely regarding the tone. Sometimes she just sounds like a 70 year-old smoker when she sings live. It’s just painful to watch her struggling with those cracks, rasp and breathiness throughout her concert.

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        • Eventually all she will have left is the ability to whistle. Nobody wants a one trick pony.

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          • Agree. The whistle is what is still intact, she sounds glorious there still. Though to risk loosing that as well… I just don’t know. Very hard decision about the surgery thing.

            I think she is making by with what she has now. Though perhaps it’s something she should consider in 5-10 years from now. Even if it doesn’t go well, she can just retire for good. Though I also don’t know how I would feel about that not having a singing Mariah ever again.

            painful. The thought of that kills me


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            • I most certainly don't want either her 90s vocals or schmaltzy AC back, thank you.

              Just a DEVIANT, PERTURBED, DERANGED, MACABRE, MANIAC, LUNATIC, IRRATIONAL PSYCHO-TO-BE.

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              • Originally posted by stevyy View Post
                Like.. the last 15 seconds of Hero... everything sounds super great and emotional when she is singing it live and I'm super connected to her performance and the song... and then this weird voice shift sets in and I'm out of the whole performance emotions-wise. It's so annoying... There is a performance of Emotions or CLG I can't remember which one it was... and she was ill while performing it... I believe it was on TOTP or sth... and she lowered the songs and sang in a range that was comfortable for her... and it sounded just beautiful.

                I think she is doing herself a disservice with all the lipping that she is doing.
                You're talking about this performance.



                I can't believe she uploaded it on her channel (as part of MC30).

                I don't have problem with lipping, but when it's justified.
                Of course I hate the lipping in Hero, My All, The Roof, Petals, etc, etc, etc, 'cause she can do that live with no problems.

                BUT If you're sick, the best it's to preserve your voice. Even if u aren't, but it's not a good vocal day, same.
                Especially in Mariah's case 'cause she has nodules and suffers from allergies.
                Those examples you've mentioned weren't any good.
                Whitney was destroying the little amount of voice she had at the end.
                Sia has hurting her instrument in that performance, it was painful.

                Celine is a perfect example.
                Yeah, she took care of her instrument, but she hasn't nodules and has a different lifestyle and agenda.
                Even then, she lips a lot, but it's almost unnoticeable 'cause she knows how to make it look real, like Bey.

                P.S. If Mariah would sing Emotions like that on live tv these days she would be basically crucified.

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                • Originally posted by mm2912 View Post

                  honey it's all about swallowing c** and how good it feels inside, and I love it
                  So that song is about Tommy then ? Or maybe she was fantasizing about someone else.
                  " And i think you should take a second just to look at your reflection
                  Baby maybe you're the problem "

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                  • Originally posted by mm2912 View Post
                    Wow imagine your biggest idol like that
                    We love Anitta!
                    She said in an interview that sometimes they call each other

                    Originally posted by bm08 View Post
                    It’s as if Mariah never spoke about sex in her songs, or ejaculate or how it feels when d**k is inside, or had artists featured who wanted to eat p***y home for lunch.
                    LOL, a song about cvm went (debuted at) #1 14 years ago.
                    A visionary

                    But I'm not interested in a Cardi collabo tbh.

                    Originally posted by bm08 View Post
                    It’s as if Mariah never spoke about sex in her songs, or ejaculate or how it feels when d**k is inside, or had artists featured who wanted to eat p***y home for lunch.


                    And also Bliss:

                    Isn't it bliss, to you right now
                    Don't be subdued, say it out loud
                    Ain't it a sweet, luscious delight
                    When you're immersed in my
                    Ocean of love, coming on strong
                    Baby I've been waiting so long
                    Revel inside of paradise


                    That was sexy

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                    I think One Mo' Gen is the perfect sex song.
                    It's like a more matured version and I love it so much. A masterpiece if u ask me.

                    Originally posted by Yerac View Post
                    I find billboard so different as it used to be lately haha i miss the old days. I cant believe BTS is about to get their 5th number 1 in a period of 1 year and all of them debut. im not saying if it is fair or no, but the past few years is sooo different as it used to be. I remember seeing the songs growing up till reaching number 1
                    I know.
                    It's a shame.

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                    • Originally posted by tee View Post
                      Mariah should have used the two years off to get the vocal surgery.
                      Not to the vocal surgery. Too risky. There's better non-invasive options.
                      I think people who talk like that haven't visited a phoniatrician in his/her life.

                      Originally posted by bm08 View Post
                      If people want to remain stuck in the past and hear her sound like the 90s they could always go back to the 90s albums and performances she gave and relive it. There is no shortage of material.
                      Oh, you're sharp lately. Keep that sh!t coming

                      Originally posted by tee View Post
                      Why cant she be in good vocal shape now?!? Are people living in the best just because they want the best for MC??
                      But she's in good vocal shape now.



                      FLAB was perfection.

                      Also, if you want to listen how gorgeous her tone is, listen to the TMOMC audible. Raw, beautiful, natural vocals everywhere. Some clips in that vid.

                      Need something more recent?



                      Great tonal quality, clarity, resonance, flexible instrument.
                      Last edited by Shaka; Sat July 17, 2021, 14:17.

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                      • Originally posted by Tomer_MC View Post
                        BTW her live performances are far from 80% lipped - not true at all.
                        Some users love to bring some drama. They live for that.
                        Seeing right through you like you're bathing in Windex

                        Originally posted by skylynx View Post
                        Mariah has lost the most important thing, it’s her tone. I don’t mind if she doesn’t go for the stratosphere but the tone is lost. What a shame.
                        Originally posted by MayoAndMustard View Post
                        And you are absolutely regarding the tone. Sometimes she just sounds like a 70 year-old smoker when she sings live. It’s just painful to watch her struggling with those cracks, rasp and breathiness throughout her concert.
                        LMAO.

                        Originally posted by bm08 View Post
                        To be fair, your last several posts for the last several weeks have all trended in one direction.
                        Wasn't he banned 'cause he was always looking for conflict?
                        The thread was such a good place a few days ago...

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                        • Originally posted by InFamous View Post
                          So that song is about Tommy then ? Or maybe she was fantasizing about someone else.
                          LOL, fantasizing about someone else definitely.

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                          US iTunes:

                          WBT #43
                          OSD #66


                          Both rising steadily.

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                          • Originally posted by Shaka View Post

                            LOL, fantasizing about someone else definitely.

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                            US iTunes:

                            WBT #43
                            OSD #66


                            Both rising steadily.
                            Let me play Bliss and think about you
                            " And i think you should take a second just to look at your reflection
                            Baby maybe you're the problem "

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                            • In terms of how she sounds i think she still sounds incredible. Idc. Also, its all about how you use your voice and how u mix the registers and other technical factors. I remember In 2013 when she sang a snippet of love takes time and went for the belt in iiiii cant escape the pain SOOO deep inside. She sounded almost just like she did back in the day. The thing is, belting ultimately is damaging. Even if its healthy. It puts strain on the cords. And mariahs voice is and always has been a lighter instrument. Even her belts back in the day were probably too much for her voice. Bcuz they sounded sort of too high for her voice. And like the way she sang going up and down breathy to belty. That requires a log of IMPECCABLE sub glottal pressure. To be that agile requires like a lot. Its one thing to do it for one verse but a whole song. Thats why those thank god i found u live versions worked. She improved and did what was natural for her voice. Not trying to fulfill the expectations of what she did in the 90s. Lulliby of birdland is a good representation of her using her voice well and in a way thats very comfortable for her.

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                              • Originally posted by InFamous View Post
                                Let me play Bliss and think about you
                                What do I do, what do I say?
                                Does it feel good, to you this way?
                                I wanna be, all that you need
                                Boy, what's your fantasy?
                                Better hold on, ready or not
                                Baby, my love ain't gonna stop
                                Take it down low, make me get high
                                Ooh, my love goOOOoOeEes

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                                • Originally posted by InFamous View Post

                                  So that song is about Tommy then ? Or maybe she was fantasizing about someone else.
                                  It’s about the delicious Derek’s ***

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                                  • Originally posted by Shaka View Post

                                    What do I do, what do I say?
                                    Does it feel good, to you this way?
                                    I wanna be, all that you need
                                    Boy, what's your fantasy?
                                    Better hold on, ready or not
                                    Baby, my love ain't gonna stop
                                    Take it down low, make me get high
                                    Ooh, my love goOOOoOeEes

                                    Like WBT I am also rising steadily
                                    " And i think you should take a second just to look at your reflection
                                    Baby maybe you're the problem "

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                                    • Originally posted by aydeep888 View Post
                                      The thing is, belting ultimately is damaging. Even if its healthy. It puts strain on the cords.
                                      Yeah, and this applies to every singer.
                                      Ari's belts are showing sings of decline already and her voice is maturing.
                                      And she's only 28 (with a 8 years of career).

                                      Originally posted by aydeep888 View Post
                                      And mariahs voice is and always has been a lighter instrument. Even her belts back in the day were probably too much for her voice. Bcuz they sounded sort of too high for her voice. And like the way she sang going up and down breathy to belty. That requires a log of IMPECCABLE sub glottal pressure. To be that agile requires like a lot. Its one thing to do it for one verse but a whole song.
                                      I don't think so.
                                      Actually the opposite, at least until Merry Xmas/Daydream.
                                      Between debut and MB her belts sounded like they weren't too high for her voice as she was belting out F#5 that sounded like "lower" notes compared to other singers (she was even constantly phrasing up there, in the 5th octave).
                                      During DD Era, especially the tour, she was suffering from a vocal hemorrhage.

                                      The thing with Mariah is that she's a chesty belter.
                                      She's always been that type. Hence that big sound during Debut, Emotions & MB. Think of IIO performances.
                                      When she wants to mix nowadays, it sounds a bit nasal and lacks quality.
                                      I think she needs to find the right balance in the mix - without going nasal - and she will be able to belt higher and clearer.
                                      But again, nodules are a pain in the ass. I tell you 'cause I have nodules and I stopped to sing because of them.
                                      It's not that easy as everyone is trying to make.
                                      You only understand it when u have to deal with dem.

                                      I think if she manages to mix better, she'll be fine.


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                                      • Originally posted by InFamous View Post
                                        Like WBT I am also rising steadily


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                                        A few copies and GOAT will enter the Top 40.

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                                        • Has anyone seen this video series? I find it to be very entertaining and this one even included Mariah.

                                          She was kind of fragile and she had a lot to grapple with but basically she kept it all inside ...

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                                          • Regarding tone:



                                            Plus the vibrato and the mid-belts! So lush and big!
                                            (And she was coming from her worst year vocally).

                                            Also:



                                            Gorgeous tone and CRAZY resonance.

                                            And:



                                            Prime-esque vocals.

                                            How is this unpleasant?

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                                            • Fvck, this is a masterpiece in every sense of the word, OMG

                                              I can only stan.

                                              Deconstructed - Can't Let Go - Mariah Carey



                                              The B7 whistle is so clear here!

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                                              • I agree with mb and dd being healthier belts. Idk to me i just dont think she’s a belter. I just think her cords are thinner. She’s naturally a thin person. Its like janet jackson trying to be whitney. She may be able to sing like whitney with a lot of effort, but will it be sustainable for her overall vocal health. Mariah really shines in her lower register like in without you. Her first performance of America the beautiful is also a good example of her natural voice without her doing too much.
                                                also, look at her sing theres got to be a way or alone in love in 2020. She still got it. Its just a matter of how she chooses to use her voice. She knows what works for her. The hero performances in 2014 beacon theatre she was giving me mb vocals. Thats coming off the lip sync bs. She had to prove she still had the voice. Mariah just doesnt care like that lol.

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                                                • I think she's a natural belter.
                                                  I'll keep insisting with this, nodules.
                                                  If she wasn't one, she would have never be able to hit so many F5s & F#5 between 1990 Y 1998, no matter the amount of work she put on there.
                                                  The fact that she's a chesty belter doesn't help, but tbh I love how it sounds.
                                                  In that performance you mentioned she hit multiples C5s, D5s & a F5 as well LOL (ATB '90).
                                                  Again, in 2014 Beacon shows she was able to belt up to G5 with ease (multiple F5s and F#5s in JTTW, two G5s in WCC).
                                                  Her voice is a mystery, I find it really fascinating.
                                                  And yeah, we can see glimpses of her old vocals sometimes. The voice is there. I have no doubts.
                                                  She's been proving haters wrong since Debut after all

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                                                  • An example that throwing Cardi B in a Mariah remix won't work (same applies to Doja, Megan, etc).
                                                    Look at Normani's first day numbers.

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