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  • As a fan, I think Mariah thrived in talking about her sorrows. I remember looking back at how she said "Can't Take That Away" was pretty much reflective of how she felt about her current situation and then she releases a video of her in the skinniest of outfits with those fake acting tears (and let's not forget that alternate edit where her short top gets wet and her boobs get accentuated) Seriously? I mean, she kinda enjoys that people pay her attention when she has drama. Yes, she did go through a lot and no one is taking away her truth but she is so much of a narcissist as well.

    As much as Tina Turner was able to "make money" out of her sorrows, she wasn't proud of talking about it. She didn't release a memoir and tease the public about the chapters or sold it in an overpriced bundle with her music. Imagine if Britney (who is the most talked about controversial artist right now) did that and released a memoir with a box set of her albums! LOL!

    In Mariah's case, it's like she's the pied piper, she loves to string along her followers to her narrative, and of course, her narrative will be the one believed by her fans obviously. She pretty much painted everyone of those she never worked with again as a villain in her professional and personal life. She doesn't hold herself accountable for her poor decisions. I mean, you married the person who wanted to make money off of you, of course, the relationship was doomed from the start. Glitter flopped because it was horrible, not because Tommy and J. Lo conspired to make you flop.

    It's far from the Tina situation where she was gaslighted and made to believe that she was useless. Tina was physically and verbally abused as compared to Mariah who couldn't write or produce what she wanted and couldn't wear what she wanted. If for anything, Mariah was able to benefit (until now) from what eventually turned out from the 1990 to 1996 years of her professional career.
    Last edited by GetBack; Mon July 19, 2021, 20:10.

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    • Originally posted by stevyy View Post
      99% of Mariah's songs ... especially the ballads.... are un-singable today... bc nobody has the range or vocal timbre to do them justice anymore... (same goes for any Whitney song).
      It's the tone for me.
      And especially in Mariah's case, the musicianship and the agility (Nippy was super fast, but Mariah is queen of transitions, no one does it like her).
      So yeah, when people cover their songs they sound karaoke-ish.

      Even her bops are hard af.
      TMB, ILT, SIO and the likes ain't that easy as they seem to be.

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      • Originally posted by stevyy View Post
        Covers of MC songs only work, when the covering act is not trying to sing the song like Mariah... but makes it their own... re-arrange the whole thing etc. That is why David Cook's ABMB rendition sounds so wonderful bc it is basically a new song bc it is a different genre.
        Yeah, that's a good example.
        And I think that's the only MC cover that I really enjoy.
        Of course Tori & JoJo do a good job with their renditions, or Ari with Emotions (studio version), but they still miss that X Factor.
        I would say I enjoy Kelly's versions of MC songs more 'cause their voices are very different and she has to adjust and it actually works for her.

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        • Originally posted by stevyy View Post
          I had to endure to many My All covers on German Idol... and while those women could sing well, they couldn't sing that song... it sounded so bad. To be able to sing a Mariah song (as a female)... it should be mandatory to at least have a deep voice... or a super raspy voice like Sia... otherwise it indeed sounds like bad karaoke.
          I must say that I really enjoyed Christina Marie's VOL performance on The Voice.




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          • Wow, I never noticed she was doing these whistles live along with the pre-recorded track.



            These whistles are some of her hardest EVER.

            Super complex plus you need some stamina, 20 seconds of roller-coaster whistle runs.

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            • Originally posted by GetBack View Post
              As a fan, I think Mariah thrived in talking about her sorrows. I remember looking back at how she said "Can't Take That Away" was pretty much reflective of how she felt about her current situation and then she releases a video of her in the skinniest of outfits with those fake acting tears (and let's not forget that alternate edit where her short top gets wet and her boobs get accentuated) Seriously? I mean, she kinda enjoys that people pay her attention when she has drama. Yes, she did go through a lot and no one is taking away her truth but she is so much of a narcissist as well.

              As much as Tina Turner was able to "make money" out of her sorrows, she wasn't proud of talking about it. She didn't release a memoir and tease the public about the chapters or sold it in an overpriced bundle with her music. Imagine if Britney (who is the most talked about controversial artist right now) did that and released a memoir with a box set of her albums! LOL!

              In Mariah's case, it's like she's the pied piper, she loves to string along her followers to her narrative, and of course, her narrative will be the one believed by her fans obviously. She pretty much painted everyone of those she never worked with again as a villain in her professional and personal life. She doesn't hold herself accountable for her poor decisions. I mean, you married the person who wanted to make money off of you, of course, the relationship was doomed from the start. Glitter flopped because it was horrible, not because Tommy and J. Lo conspired to make you flop.

              It's far from the Tina situation where she was gaslighted and made to believe that she was useless. Tina was physically and verbally abused as compared to Mariah who couldn't write or produce what she wanted and couldn't wear what she wanted. If for anything, Mariah was able to benefit (until now) from what eventually turned out from the 1990 to 1996 years of her professional career.
              Thanks god you started with "as a fan" lol. Why so many haters in the past 3 days lol

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              • Originally posted by stevyy View Post

                The one song, I would like Mariah to cover was Whitney's timeless and soul saving rendition of "I love the lord".

                That Preacher's Wife Soundtrack was and remains the greatest album ever, by anyone.
                Did you hear the new BTS song Permission to Dance - they do Mariahs riff from the start of Vision of Love on it
                " And i think you should take a second just to look at your reflection
                Baby maybe you're the problem "

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                • Originally posted by GetBack View Post
                  As a fan, I think Mariah thrived in talking about her sorrows. I remember looking back at how she said "Can't Take That Away" was pretty much reflective of how she felt about her current situation and then she releases a video of her in the skinniest of outfits with those fake acting tears (and let's not forget that alternate edit where her short top gets wet and her boobs get accentuated) Seriously? I mean, she kinda enjoys that people pay her attention when she has drama. Yes, she did go through a lot and no one is taking away her truth but she is so much of a narcissist as well.

                  As much as Tina Turner was able to "make money" out of her sorrows, she wasn't proud of talking about it. She didn't release a memoir and tease the public about the chapters or sold it in an overpriced bundle with her music. Imagine if Britney (who is the most talked about controversial artist right now) did that and released a memoir with a box set of her albums! LOL!

                  In Mariah's case, it's like she's the pied piper, she loves to string along her followers to her narrative, and of course, her narrative will be the one believed by her fans obviously. She pretty much painted everyone of those she never worked with again as a villain in her professional and personal life. She doesn't hold herself accountable for her poor decisions. I mean, you married the person who wanted to make money off of you, of course, the relationship was doomed from the start. Glitter flopped because it was horrible, not because Tommy and J. Lo conspired to make you flop.

                  It's far from the Tina situation where she was gaslighted and made to believe that she was useless. Tina was physically and verbally abused as compared to Mariah who couldn't write or produce what she wanted and couldn't wear what she wanted. If for anything, Mariah was able to benefit (until now) from what eventually turned out from the 1990 to 1996 years of her professional career.
                  The truth certainly lies in between... but I feel like, you make her seem like a villain with your remarks and I'm not sure if this is true.

                  I like J.Lo... But I have to say this... one of the first people to come out after the Memoirs was her producer from when J.Lo started out (on her first 2 albums) and yelled fraud to contradict what was in the book... and then he mentally confirmed the story of Tommy holding a knife to her face... by saying something in the vein of... she had it coming... she disrespected him...

                  When there is a woman who was probably 27 or sth in the room surrounded by at least 4-5 men... and her husband (who was in his late 40s, early 50s) takes the knife from the table and is attacking her... and those men do nothing... and even defend this action... then I feel compelled to ignore their side completely.

                  Jennifer Lopez is not to blame for this, but she benefited from all of this... There is also Irv Gotti, the producer of I'm Real Remix nd If We saying in an interview that Tommy "hated Mariah at the time" and "wanted Jennifer to go for the same sound that he [Tommy] heard Mariah do on Glitter...

                  This is not fan fiction at this point.

                  Patricia Carey, think of her what you will, actually sat down in 1997 / 1998 to talk to Oprah and literally said that she fears that Tommy could break her career. There was a lot of turmoil going on behind the scenes.

                  What Mariah also did with her Memoirs was to explain how she let him have this much power over her (and the music industry at large too)... by telling us from what kind of environment she came from and how insecure she was as person and how this insecurity was exploited by the music industry at large in the beginning of her career... and aren't those the stories that SO MANY music acts are telling all the time?

                  And then there was the time the era in which this all took place... I'm not sure how developed your character and personality was when you were 20 years old... or 23 or whatever... I know for myself that I was very impressionable and naive at that age too.... If someone told me, that I was ugly when I looked a certain way... it would have mentally affected me as well.

                  I agree, that Mariah is not the victim in everything that ever happened to her... but especially in that first chapter of her career... she really had to grow as a person and it was not easy.

                  Mariah probably also directed her anger at Jennifer Lopez personally, because she saw how she was USED and pampered to replace her of some sorts... and for a while it even worked... and that was certainly not an easy time to come out of.

                  Whenever Mariah was overly sexual / also in an inappropriate way... then I tend to believe that that stems from her insecurities to withstand in the industry. I come to this conclusion bc Mariah often times looked goofy and out of place... and that is showing me that this is or was not truly who she was as a person...

                  The Stella years also showed us... how much her borderline condition affected her at the time... and much she was exploited especially by that manager she had at the time. When you are one of the most successful singers who has ever lived... you do not let your managers teenage kid run your social media business. That alone shows me, that she wasn't fully there, mentally.

                  What I take away from the Memoir is that Mariah's life has been a journey with a lot of ups and downs. Even she herself... for every bad word she said about Tommy and her situation, she also said a lot of positive thngs about him, specifically during the beginning of her career.

                  She certainly isn't that calculated witch that she is made out to be.
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                  • Originally posted by InFamous View Post

                    Did you hear the new BTS song Permission to Dance - they do Mariahs riff from the start of Vision of Love on it
                    I'd rather stab my ears with broken glass.
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                      • Originally posted by stevyy View Post
                        I'd rather stab my ears with broken glass.


                        Nooo, you're injured already, take care of yourself!

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                        • Camp Mariah is such a great cause to be involved with. That's a fantastic charity. And it has been scandal free for her and provides great publicity all around... I love how she went there in 2019 - I believe and we had so many videos of her there and being involved and stuff... even her walking the streets of Manhattan... occasionally pointing out the trash bags on the sidewalks. Too funny.
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                          • Originally posted by Shaka View Post



                            Nooo, you're injured already, take care of yourself!
                            You are right, only 1 injury per time. I feel a little bit like MIMI in ca. 2013. I had my #Beautiful remix accident just like her. We really are the same person.
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                            • Those were some hard times

                              Everything was going great, and BOOM.

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                              • I posted this on the chart thread, but just in case:

                                "Somewhat Loved" is officially a Top 15 hit on Billboard's Adult R&B Airplay chart.

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                                • Originally posted by Shaka View Post
                                  Those were some hard times

                                  Everything was going great, and BOOM.
                                  Hard times are behind us now. I hope MIMI will get out of Corona unphased and that she has a great late-career ahead of her with a lot of success and admiration and of course joy and happiness.
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                                  • Originally posted by Shaka View Post
                                    I posted this on the chart thread, but just in case:

                                    "Somewhat Loved" is officially a Top 15 hit on Billboard's Adult R&B Airplay chart.

                                    It really annoys me that the song... has such bad streaming numbers. It's ridiculous.
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                                    • This thread has become really messy these last few days and it's not because of critical thought, but rather disrespect. Please take this as a public warning to everyone to please take it down several notches.
                                      See The Mariah Carey Discography Rate
                                      See The Report Card - Weekly Top Songs

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                                      • Originally posted by stevyy View Post
                                        Hard times are behind us now. I hope MIMI will get out of Corona unphased and that she has a great late-career ahead of her with a lot of success and admiration and of course joy and happiness.
                                        I remember she was full of bruises yet she was smiling and performing Looking In for the first time ever. How can u not stan?



                                        I mean, a role model. She's so strong.

                                        And yeah, those hard times are behind us/her.

                                        She deserves all the happiness in the World.
                                        I believe she's happy now. And freer.

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                                        • Originally posted by stevyy View Post
                                          It really annoys me that the song... has such bad streaming numbers. It's ridiculous.
                                          Not even lambs are supporting the song

                                          I know lambs can't do much, but still...

                                          Not even on iTunes.

                                          WBT - a 16 yo song - surpassed its peak position in the US

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                                          • Originally posted by Shaka View Post

                                            Not even lambs are supporting the song

                                            I know lambs can't do much, but still...

                                            Not even on iTunes.

                                            WBT - a 16 yo song - surpassed its peak position in the US
                                            lambs want and need an uptempo song... the sooner she complies with our demands... the better (for her charts positions).
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                                            • Remember this concert?



                                              ICONIC.



                                              You can tell pyramids were kinda shook.

                                              Nah, seriously, she sounded great despite the sound system being bleak.

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                                              • Hmmm
                                                Last edited by tee; Mon July 19, 2021, 21:51.

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                                                • Originally posted by stevyy View Post
                                                  lambs want and need an uptempo song... the sooner she complies with our demands... the better (for her charts positions).
                                                  A dark-ish mid-tempo with Abel.
                                                  That's what I want rn.
                                                  And I'll be a happy lamb.

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                                                  • Originally posted by stevyy View Post

                                                    I'd rather stab my ears with broken glass.
                                                    THIS is what I am talking about! The kliq in here that allows people to say this kind of thing^ and (also laugh about it), yet one question of Mariahs vocal abilities and whether SUD could have been the reason Butterfly was way off vocally compared to Daydream and that is not okay to discuss?

                                                    Where is the apology to BTS and their fans, by insinuating that bleeding ears would be better than the way they sound??

                                                    You all are too much.

                                                    The best line from Obsessed has always been: Youre delusional youre delusional

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