Mariah Carey

[delapuerta]

[itsawrap]

this is odd to me

[WaitYourTurn]

this is odd to me

A guide on how to be mean and shady without being detected or dragged in the #bekind era. I don’t think Ryan is a Mariah fan since NYE

[elguachin]

A guide on how to be mean and shady without being detected or dragged in the #bekind era. I don’t think Ryan is a Mariah fan since NYE

I do not detect shady for the purpose of being mean. They are telling the story with the character Mariah loves to portrait. I do think Mariah might have behaved a little bit of a diva, bit I do think she does it to feed the narrative.

[mm2912]

A guide on how to be mean and shady without being detected or dragged in the #bekind era. I don’t think Ryan is a Mariah fan since NYE

I don't think he ever liked her. he always seems so fake to me

[InFamous]

It was released on Westlife album “coast to coast”, I don’t think it was released on rainbow

That is what I thought. I know Mariah included it on some compilations going forward, but officially it is not on the Rainbow album, only the solo version is, which was released as a single four months before the Westlife version.

[stevyy]

That is what I thought. I know Mariah included it on some compilations going forward, but officially it is not on the Rainbow album, only the solo version is, which was released as a single four months before the Westlife version.

u make it seem like that the solo version flopped and she had to rush to a boyband in order to save the era.... the solo version has never been released in the UK... and the Westlife version has only been released in selective EU markets.

The version with westlife still belongs to the Rainbow era, if not for the time proximity to the album then for the relation of the cover being on the album.

It is not ON the album, but belongs to the era.

[delapuerta]

this is odd to me

I can give Mariah some of my family's oil olive if she wants lol

RS seems fake to me too, but I don't care about him

[InFamous]

u make it seem like that the solo version flopped and she had to rush to a boyband in order to save the era.... the solo version has never been released in the UK... and the Westlife version has only been released in selective EU markets.

The version with westlife still belongs to the Rainbow era, if not for the time proximity to the album then for the relation of the cover being on the album.

It is not ON the album, but belongs to the era.

Well I mean you started out by saying you were confused about how Rainbow album sold so little in the UK with top ten singles and a no 1 but seeing as the no 1 is not even on the album it obviously wasnt going to make anyone buy Rainbow for that. It was driven by Westlife fans to no 1, who purchased their album, on which the duet was actually included.

[delapuerta]

This was beautiful

[stevyy]

Well I mean you started out by saying you were confused about how Rainbow album sold so little in the UK with top ten singles and a no 1 but seeing as the no 1 is not even on the album it obviously wasnt going to make anyone buy Rainbow for that. It was driven by Westlife fans to no 1, who purchased their album, on which the duet was actually included.

and you are doing it again. The Rainbow ERA had 2 top 10 singles in the UK + a #1 single with Westlife. The solo version would have not gone to #1, I fully agree, but it would have probably been a top 10 hit in its own right. Since it is my theory that the song belongs to the ERA, I would have assumed that it would have affected the albums sales bc it kept her in the spotlight, it was promoted and performed and also promoted the album in the sense that it belongs to the same era.

Rainbow was a massively promoted era in Europe. It even had a tour as well. But unlike its great performances in Germany and France, the British public was not that supportive of the album. And that is what I find odd.

But that been the case too, with a lot of her albums towards the end of the 1990s and the early 2000s.

Glitter and especially CB performed rather well in France, but didn't do much (with the exception of CB in the UK) in the other 2 major markets.

TEOM did well in the UK, but did not do too well in France and Germany.

The last time she had a studio album doing remotely well and close in total sales in all 3 major EU markets was Daydream.

Mariah Carey
380,000 - UK
225,000 - GER
100,000 - France
EU - 1,550,000

Emotions
400,000 - UK
150,000 - GER
110,000 - France
EU - 1,300,000

Music Box
1,750,000 - UK
1,400,000 - GER
1,400,000 - France
EU - 8,100,000

Xmas
350,000 - UK
350,000 - GER
70,000 - France
EU - 2,200,000

Daydream
850,000 - UK
750,000 - France
550,000 - GER
EU - 3,600,000

Butterfly
300,000 - UK
245,000 - France
225,000 - GER
EU - 1,500,000

Rainbow
485,000 - France
350,000 - GER
250,000 - UK
EU - 1,700,000

Glitter
110,000 - France
58,000 - UK
50,000 - GER
EU - 450,000

CB
260,000 - France
130,000 - UK
60,000 - GER
EU - 750,000

TEOM
660,000 - UK
185,000 - France
120,000 - GER
EU - 1,250,000

Einstein
150,000 - UK
55,000 - France
40,000 - GER
EU - 350,000

Memoirs
95,000 - UK
30,000 - France
10,000 - GER
EU - 180,000

Xmas2
25,000 - UK
15,000 - GER
10,000 - France
EU - 100,000

Elusive
18,000 - UK
10,000 - GER
8,000 - France
EU - 55,000

Caution
6,000 - UK
4,000 - France
3,000 - GER
EU - 30,000

Compilations:

#1's
800,000 - UK
750,000 - France
485,000 - GER
EU - 3,600,000

GH
875,000 - UK
190,000 - France
140,000 - GER
EU - 1,500,000

Ballads
260,000 - UK
10,000 - France
10,000 - GER
EU - 350,000

Infinity
105,000 - UK
15,000 - GER
10,000 - France
EU - 160,000

Others:

Unplugged
300,000 - GER
290,000 - UK
225,000 - France
EU - 1,650,000

The Remixes
45,000 - UK
10,000 - GER
5,000 - France
EU - 90,000

[mm2912]

Well I mean you started out by saying you were confused about how Rainbow album sold so little in the UK with top ten singles and a no 1 but seeing as the no 1 is not even on the album it obviously wasnt going to make anyone buy Rainbow for that. It was driven by Westlife fans to no 1, who purchased their album, on which the duet was actually included.

I think it was more a “Westlife single” than Mariah’s. They released the song as the lead single for their album coast to coast which was the 3rd best selling album of the year in the UK. Westlife was huge back then. All of their singles were hitting #1

[stevyy]

I think it was more a “Westlife single” than Mariah’s. They released the song as the lead single for their album coast to coast which was the 3rd best selling album of the year in the UK. Westlife was huge back then. All of their singles were hitting #1

how could it have been MORE a Westlife single... when Mariah had covered the song before on her then-current album, Rainbow?

I don't like these comments which cannot be verified in any sense of logic.

[InFamous]

how could it have been MORE a Westlife single... when Mariah had covered the song before on her then-current album, Rainbow?

I don't like these comments which cannot be verified in any sense of logic.

IT is perfectly logical. The duet version was the lead single to the Westlife album, Coast to Coast. It does not feature on the Rainbow album at all. It was not even added to it later on streaming or anything. You are acting as if the song is on the album, but it isnt !!

[mm2912]

IT is perfectly logical. The duet version was the lead single to the Westlife album, Coast to Coast. It does not feature on the Rainbow album at all. It was not even added to it later on streaming or anything. You are acting as if the song is on the album, but it isnt !!

I think it’s hard for him to understand the song was worked as the lead single from Westlife’s album not Mariah’s. Of course it’s still a joint collaboration and Mariah are the lead artist with Westlife. But she didn’t even put the song as bonus in a reissue of rainbow album. It was basically their song with her

[stevyy]

I think it’s hard for him to understand the song was worked as the lead single from Westlife’s album not Mariah’s. Of course it’s still a joint collaboration and Mariah are the lead artist with Westlife. But she didn’t even put the song as bonus in a reissue of rainbow album. It was basically their song with her

i don't understand this conversation, I agree on that.

To me, there is only a difference between features and a duet.

In a duet both acts have 50:50 credit.

In a feature, there is a lead artist and a featured act.

But if you think that AAO is a Westlife song more than a Mariah song, then your remark above doesn't make sense.

[stevyy]

IT is perfectly logical. The duet version was the lead single to the Westlife album, Coast to Coast. It does not feature on the Rainbow album at all. It was not even added to it later on streaming or anything. You are acting as if the song is on the album, but it isnt !!

I said it now THREE times, that for me, the Rainbow era includes AAO solo and ft. Westlife. Mariah doesn't need a Rainbow re-release in order to make the song belong to the era.

[stevyy]

In unrelated news to the discussion above:

Fantasy iTunes: #26 Australia #49 Canada #50 United Kingdom #107 New Zealand #164 United States

amazing showings for Fantasy in the English speaking world. GH is also #123 in Australia (Itunes) and rising.

What a movie can do to a simple song.

[mm2912]

i don't understand this conversation, I agree on that.

To me, there is only a difference between features and a duet.

In a duet both acts have 50:50 credit.

In a feature, there is a lead artist and a featured act.

But if you think that AAO is a Westlife song more than a Mariah song, then your remark above doesn't make sense.

One sweet day the Boyz II Men are also lead but Mariah worked as daydream single. No one is saying AAO it’s not a Mariah’s single, but Westlife released the song as their lead single from their sophomore album, like Mariah released OSD as her single from daydream even tho Boyz II Men are also the lead from the song. No one is discrediting the duet is not 50/50 because it’s not on rainbow but it’s on Westlife album

[NorthernMonkey]

There’s a lot of people saying incorrect things in here lol.

BIIM are not the lead on OSD.. it’s a duet.

[mm2912]

There’s a lot of people saying incorrect things in here lol.

BIIM are not the lead on OSD.. it’s a duet.

Duet is 50/50 lol. a “featuring” which is not 50/50

[InFamous]

There’s a lot of people saying incorrect things in here lol.

BIIM are not the lead on OSD.. it’s a duet.

He actually said they are "also" the lead, which implies that Mariah was too.

[stevyy]

One sweet day the Boyz II Men are also lead but Mariah worked as daydream single. No one is saying AAO it’s not a Mariah’s single, but Westlife released the song as their lead single from their sophomore album, like Mariah released OSD as her single from daydream even tho Boyz II Men are also the lead from the song. No one is discrediting the duet is not 50/50 because it’s not on rainbow but it’s on Westlife album

OSD is as much a BIIM song as it is a Mariah song. No matter where the song appeared on. It also appears on their GH album. For me, it is not important on whose album a duet appears... Mariah had an album out 10 months before AAO duet version dropped... with the original cover being on the album. Thence, I see the entire duet as part of the Rainbow era.

For Westlife, the song is part of their album era as well.

[stevyy]

He actually said they are "also" the lead, which implies that Mariah was too.

he also said that AAO with Westlife is not a 50/50 collabo, in favor of Westlife which by definition makes her a featured artist on a Westlife song.

I disagree with that wording wholeheartedly.

[InFamous]

OSD is as much a BIIM song as it is a Mariah song. No matter where the song appeared on. It also appears on their GH album. For me, it is not important on whose album a duet appears... Mariah had an album out 10 months before AAO duet version dropped... with the original cover being on the album. Thence, I see the entire duet as part of the Rainbow era.

For Westlife, the song is part of their album era as well.

Good for you, that is your perspective.
But everyone else does not have to agree with you. The duet version was done way after the Rainbow album was released and was not included in any way on the original album or was it part of the vision for said album. It came MUCH later and was the lead single from someone elses album. Thence, if other people don't really see it as part of the rainbow era you can agree to disagree and respect said opinion, instead of insisting that you are correct ad nauseum.