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Originally posted by mm2912 View Post
I understand her songs not getting to hot100 anymore but I expected at least as a legacy act she could still generate album sales like other acts. Barbra, Celine, Madonna all of them can still get a #1 album but not Mariah since 2008. I don’t understand that
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Indeed, a legacy act should still command a Top 20 or even Top 10 album release easily.
She's still just 50, when the likes of Barbara...etc are in their 70s.
The interesting thing is Mariah is so acctive on Social media yet album sales are lacklustre at best......though when someone like a Barbara release an album, she hardly has the socia media following though people know her album is out.
It's either the GP (including oldies) no longer care for Mariah......or there's a tricck they're missing in promoting outside the lambs.
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Originally posted by bm08 View Post
IMO, we need to start from the fact that the artists you listed are all white, majorly pop/AC acts. Mariah is R&B/R&B-Pop and probably better compared to the likes of the Tonis, Stevies, etc.
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Originally posted by skylynx View PostIndeed, a legacy act should still command a Top 20 or even Top 10 album release easily.
She's still just 50, when the likes of Barbara...etc are in their 70s.
The interesting thing is Mariah is so acctive on Social media yet album sales are lacklustre at best......though when someone like a Barbara release an album, she hardly has the socia media following though people know her album is out.
It's either the GP (including oldies) no longer care for Mariah......or there's a tricck they're missing in promoting outside the lambs.
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Originally posted by Cyclone View Post
Um, the last time Celine released an album Covid-19 wasn't a thing, rioters weren't burning buildings/looting, Australia/California weren't blazing infernos, etc. This is a totally different world.
Nobody cares about charts until they’re at #1, and then suddenly everyoooonneee cares about charts. She’ll be at #1 again in 2 months anyway but it’s just sad another great project flops purely because of bad decision-making.
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Originally posted by WaitYourTurn View PostJesus the mood has changed in here from two weeks agoMy Chart
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Clearly, the memoir was the focus of the promo. Could they have done more for The Rarities? Sure. But back to the #1 New York Times Bestseller... not to mention she was #1 on Audible.
Of course everyone, including Mariah, wants their music at the top of the charts, but her life isn't just career-driven anymore. Let her live. I'm sure she'll be fine.
I'm endlessly thankful for all she's given us since last Christmas. I get wanting your fave to have success, but focus more on what you like and not on how other people view what you like.
As for album sales in the US, this country is clearly not the arbiter of taste at the moment, which is clear for many reasons including our hateful, racist president and other elected officials. I'm happy to enjoy the bounties of my superior taste during the bleakness of 2020, even if I'm in the minority.
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People forget the fact that the other legacy artists (Elton, Barbara, Celine, Madonna, etc) have had a consistent sound their whole career which is why they are able to get so many sales because their old fans still buy the music. Once Mariah switched to a more Hip-Hop influence she lost a portion of her fanbase that loved the pop ballads/ adult contemporary sound, and then when the 2010’s came. R&B slowly started dying too so Mariah was just left with her loyal fans.
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Originally posted by skylynx View PostIndeed, a legacy act should still command a Top 20 or even Top 10 album release easily.
She's still just 50, when the likes of Barbara...etc are in their 70s.
The interesting thing is Mariah is so acctive on Social media yet album sales are lacklustre at best......though when someone like a Barbara release an album, she hardly has the socia media following though people know her album is out.
It's either the GP (including oldies) no longer care for Mariah......or there's a tricck they're missing in promoting outside the lambs.
Mariah made it to top 10 in sales, that says quite a lot!
There is also quite a lot of evidence to the contrary to complicate the claim that "the GP no longer care for Mariah". It just isn't that simple.
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Billboard
Solving Mariah Carey's Mistletoe Mystery: Let's Follow the Gingerbread Crumbs to Her Latest Christmas Collab
https://www.billboard.com/articles/c...p-shop-podcastMESMARIAHSING!
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Originally posted by bm08 View Post
IMO, we need to start from the fact that the artists you listed are all white, majorly pop/AC acts. Mariah is R&B/R&B-Pop and probably better compared to the likes of the Tonis, Stevies, etc.Reddit | r/MariahCarey: https://www.reddit.com/r/MariahCarey/
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Originally posted by Imopink1 View PostPeople forget the fact that the other legacy artists (Elton, Barbara, Celine, Madonna, etc) have had a consistent sound their whole career which is why they are able to get so many sales because their old fans still buy the music. Once Mariah switched to a more Hip-Hop influence she lost a portion of her fanbase that loved the pop ballads/ adult contemporary sound, and then when the 2010’s came. R&B slowly started dying too so Mariah was just left with her loyal fans.Reddit | r/MariahCarey: https://www.reddit.com/r/MariahCarey/
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Originally posted by leoavalon View Post
This. Mariah doesn't have the same mainstream appeal as Cher and Madonna. Mariah is an R&B artist, and is now neglected by the white audience that think that she's too "democrat" and by the black audience that thinks that she's privileged and that she appropriates the black culture.
We still don’t know her situation but it was put out by a label she hasn’t been signed to for two decades and a legacy branch that only puts out compilations, there was no label marketing team on it, no label radio team, no label promo team, she had to have her vocal engineer mix it, it’s essentially an indie release as far as promo goes
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Originally posted by mm2912 View Post
That’s what I never understand. It seems Mariah is always active on social media and doesn’t seem like people hate her but still she can’t generate album sales like the old peers nor interest from the younger ones I don’t know what is missing
The only woman above Mariah's is Dolly Parton with widely promoted Christmas release, that even include AIWFC.Reddit | r/MariahCarey: https://www.reddit.com/r/MariahCarey/
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Originally posted by allygdale View Post
Y’all, it’s not that deep, people just didn’t know about The Rarities
We still don’t know her situation but it was put out by a label she hasn’t been signed to for two decades and a legacy branch that only puts out compilations, there was no label marketing team on it, no label radio team, no label promo team, she had to have her vocal engineer mix it, it’s essentially an indie release as far as promo goesReddit | r/MariahCarey: https://www.reddit.com/r/MariahCarey/
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Originally posted by leoavalon View Post
How many women are in the BB 200? How many of them are black? How many above 50 years old?
The only woman above Mariah's is Dolly Parton with widely promoted Christmas release, that even include AIWFC.
Cher happened in ‘99, ageism is worse now than then, female artists are dropped at 30 instead of 40-50, but if anyone can still get a hit, it’s Mariah, and y’all know it
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Originally posted by leoavalon View Post
She clearly isn't focused on promoting The Rarities. But clearly if we had a similar release by other acts we could have a better chart position since Mariah is a more polarised artist right now.
She literally had a No 1 song last year, the difference between that and, say, Cool On You, is that people knew AIWFCIY existed
The streamers and buyers are there, they just need to hear the records and know of their existence
Enough concern, she’s fine
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Originally posted by allygdale View Post
Y’all, it’s not that deep, people just didn’t know about The Rarities
We still don’t know her situation but it was put out by a label she hasn’t been signed to for two decades and a legacy branch that only puts out compilations, there was no label marketing team on it, no label radio team, no label promo team, she had to have her vocal engineer mix it, it’s essentially an indie release as far as promo goes
And Mariah is R&B but she still has GP appeal. Indeed the music current artists do is very influenced by R&B. How a woman who has 19 #1 has no GP appeal?
Also some forget she's released just 2 studio albums in the 2010s and Chanteuse has a hit with #B.
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Originally posted by allygdale View Post
Enough with the comparisons, they’re irrelevant, it ain’t a regular album and she’s not with a label right now like she was with Caution
Cher happened in ‘99, ageism is worse now than then, female artists are dropped at 30 instead of 40-50, but if anyone can still get a hit, it’s Mariah, and y’all know itReddit | r/MariahCarey: https://www.reddit.com/r/MariahCarey/
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Originally posted by leoavalon View Post
Not with all the barriers the industry and society create right now. Mariah is victim of ageism, misogeny and racism, both from white and black communities.
On the other hand, she knows how to get a hit, it requires the kind of promo campaign the memoir received, the AIWFCIY 2019 promo campaign, so maybe if she could do it all again, she would release Rarities earlier and promote it, but it is what it is
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