Madonna

[CandyShop]

Yeah Jio, it has turned into one of her most remembered tunes by now. Many of her songs are forgotten by now but not "Hung Up" hence its quite timeless in her career.

I would even say that "Hung Up" is her Top Post-Vogue single.

This is true!!!
I remember back in the day hearing Sorry everywhere, and at the time you could feel it it was really big....... shame these days is actually forgotten, lol

[CandyShop]

I think $150million for her next tour sounds about right.

Madonna is one of the very few artists who is among the Top 10 female artists of all time in Album sales, Single sales and Touring grossing.

Considering the physical era she tops all the 3 categories I think !!

[RayRay]

Been playing the Like A Prayer album from start to finish today. Took my CD out of its case. (I usually listen on Spotify.)
30 years ago... Just wow!
Still one of her best albums.

[upushme]

Her Youtube channel is growing: almost +2.000 followers each day.

[Westen]

This is true!!!
I remember back in the day hearing Sorry everywhere, and at the time you could feel it it was really big....... shame these days is actually forgotten, lol

Not here thank god, people here are more likely to name and recognize Sorry than Vogue or Like a Prayer.

[jio]

Aren't you from US? If yes, your opinion is irrelevant.

In Europe, not only Hung Up is her biggest classic, its the song that everyone recognizes ad can name as Madonna song.

Ι am from Europe... I am aware that "Hung Up" is one of her most remembered tunes right now (not exactly surprising since it was her last major hit with no features) but I don't think it is one of her most respected hits. I mean half its pull (if not more) is due to the Abba sample. So despite its popularity (which is undeniable) I would't put it in the same category as LAP/Vogue/Like A Virgin etc it is just not up there...

[Westen]

Ι am from Europe... I am aware that "Hung Up" is one of her most remembered tunes right now (not exactly surprising since it was her last major hit with no features) but I don't think it is one of her most respected hits. I mean half its pull (if not more) is due to the Abba sample. So despite its popularity (which is undeniable) I would't put it in the same category as LAP/Vogue/Like A Virgin etc it is just not up there...

Resurgence of ABBA started after Hung Up, with Mamma Mia. Most young people (who grew up with MTV) at the time didn't know she sampled song, including me, and my whole generation.

I agree, it's not there, because Hung Up is actually more known to the GP and more remember than those songs in this day and age.

Crediting its success solely to that is plain stupid and pressed (this is not the first time you tried to discredit Hung Up and its success). Public who made HU monster hit is not the public who grew up with ABBA in 70s.

[jio]

That's a very inaccurate things to say... A teens were charting all over Europe just 7 years prior to "Hung Up" and let's face it Abba never went out of fashion. Abba Gold was a steady seller come on now...

[Westen]

That's a very inaccurate things to say... A teens were charting all over Europe just 7 years prior to "Hung Up" and let's face it Abba never went out of fashion. Abba Gold was a steady seller come on now...

I never said they were out of fashion. I said resurgence happened with Mama Mia, and their hype since then (last 10 years) is probably their biggest since their break. Growing up I was aware of ABBA, but GGG was not one of the songs I knew at the time nor it was one of their biggest hits during its time, so there you go... In fact, Hung Up actually made the song even more popular with its sample and now it might even be their signature song next to Dancing Queen.

[jio]

Well it might seem so because of the movies but again that's not accurate. "Abba Gold" was released in 1992 and became one of the best-selling albums ever by any artist in the UK and Europe. That album (along with "More Abba Gold" and various other compilations) were charting steadily throughout the 90s and the 00s in Europe. Erasure had a massive number one in 1993 with "Abba-Esque" and Abba themselves had hits in 1992 and yes 2004 (which is a year before "Hung Up") with re-releases. So no the Abba resurgence happened way before "Hung Up"

Anyway this discussion is besides the point. But just don't make unrealistic claims that "Hung Up" is responsible for Abba resurgence because it's not

[AlphaMale]

Yes the sample plays a major part in the song, but I bet that most people didn't know it was a sample, much less from Abba. Like Westen said, the people that made HI huge were not the same buying Abba songs.

[jio]

I don't disagree with that Alphamale. I am sure many ppl who loved "Hung Up" didn't even know it contained such a massive sample. But that doesn't take from the fact that a big part of its pull was not original but it was from another classic. Hence I cannot have same respect for it as I have for "Vogue" for example. That's all I am saying.

[AlphaMale]

Ok I get it.
What do you think of Ray of Light, btw?

[beredy]

What you have respect for and what general mainstream audience finds to be a huge recognizable hit don't necessarily have to match.

[RayRay]

I don't disagree with that Alphamale. I am sure many ppl who loved "Hung Up" didn't even know it contained such a massive sample. But that doesn't take from the fact that a big part of its pull was not original but it was from another classic. Hence I cannot have same respect for it as I have for "Vogue" for example. That's all I am saying.

Fair enough. I prefer Vogue too. But Hung Up is a classic, just like Like A Virgin (which is not written by Madonna at all). We can just be grateful for the many classics she has to her name, whether she has written them herself, partly or not at all.

[jio]

Ok I get it.
What do you think of Ray of Light, btw?

Do you ask me because its another cover sort of? (albeit from an unknown original)... well to be completely honest it is not one of my favourite Madonna songs although I do understand its complexity as a composition (unlike "Hung Up" which is pretty simple musically). It was OK but I prefer every other single off "Ray Of Light". I was kinda shocked that its video scooped so many awards I was expecting "Frozen" to do that instead.

I have to say that I heard the original years later (it's called "Zephyr" right?) and I have to say I much prefer it to Madonna's version. Madonna in general is not that great with covers I guess...

[jio]

Fair enough. I prefer Vogue too. But Hung Up is a classic, just like Like A Virgin (which is not written by Madonna at all). We can just be grateful for the many classics she has to her name, whether she has written them herself, partly or not at all.

Well "Like A Virgin" was not written by Madonna but it wasn't a cover and it wasn't incorporating the hook of any classic. It is not the same situation at all. Plus "Hung Up' has none of the cultural significance of "Like A Virgin" (you are my age I am sure you can confirm that). It's not a good comparison at all lol.

[AlphaMale]

Do you ask me because its another cover? (albeit from an unknown original)... well to be completely honest it is not one of my favourite Madonna songs although I do understand its complexity as a composition (unlike "Hung Up" which is pretty simple musically). It was OK but I prefer every other single off "Ray Of Light". I was kinda shocked that its video scooped so many awards I was expecting "Frozen" to do that instead.

I have to say that I heard the original years later (it's called "Zephyr" right?) and I have to say I much prefer it to Madonna's version. Madonna in general is not that great with covers I guess...

It's not really a cover, but it's largely based on that song Zephyr. I think most people don't realise that it samples very hard another composition.
But it's still brilliant what she did with Ray of Light.

[Westen]

Well it might seem so because of the movies but again that's not accurate. "Abba Gold" was released in 1992 and became one of the best-selling albums ever by any artist in the UK and Europe. That album (along with "More Abba Gold" and various other compilations) were charting steadily throughout the 90s and the 00s in Europe. Erasure had a massive number one in 1993 with "Abba-Esque" and Abba themselves had hits in 1992 and yes 2004 (which is a year before "Hung Up") with re-releases. So no the Abba resurgence happened way before "Hung Up"

Anyway this discussion is besides the point. But just don't make unrealistic claims that "Hung Up" is responsible for Abba resurgence because it's not

Stop lying. I never said that.

Ι am from Europe... I am aware that "Hung Up" is one of her most remembered tunes right now (not exactly surprising since it was her last major hit with no features) but I don't think it is one of her most respected hits. I mean half its pull (if not more) is due to the Abba sample. So despite its popularity (which is undeniable) I would't put it in the same category as LAP/Vogue/Like A Virgin etc it is just not up there...

Resurgence of ABBA started after Hung Up, with Mamma Mia. Most young people (who grew up with MTV) at the time didn't know she sampled song, including me, and my whole generation.

I agree, it's not there, because Hung Up is actually more known to the GP and more remember than those songs in this day and age.

Crediting its success solely to that is plain stupid and pressed (this is not the first time you tried to discredit Hung Up and its success). Public who made HU monster hit is not the public who grew up with ABBA in 70s.

[jio]

It's not really a cover, but it's largely based on that song Zephyr. I think most people don't realise that it samples very hard another composition.
But it's still brilliant what she did with Ray of Light.

OK true not really a cover. And as I said there is a complexity in "Ray Of Light"'s composition. It is not the same as "Hung Up" which is just a lazy revamp of the original hook. In "Ray Of Light" there is an effort and a musicality on Madonna's part. It's just that it is not my personal cup of tea.

[jio]

Stop lying. I never said that.



Resurgence of ABBA started after Hung Up, with Mamma Mia. Most young people (who grew up with MTV) at the time didn't know she sampled song, including me, and my whole generation.

I agree, it's not there, because Hung Up is actually more known to the GP and more remember than those songs in this day and age.

Crediting its success solely to that is plain stupid and pressed (this is not the first time you tried to discredit Hung Up and its success). Public who made HU monster hit is not the public who grew up with ABBA in 70s.

Yeah OK sorry you didn't say that. But you did say that Abba resurgencee happened after "Hung Up" to which I disagree. There were plenty of Abba before Hung Up too (even if young people didn't realize it) let's not go into that again please...

[Westen]

Yeah OK sorry you didn't say that. But you did say that Abba resurgencee happened after "Hung Up" to which I disagree. There were plenty of Abba before Hung Up too (even if young people didn't realize it) let's not go into that again please...

After Hung Up, meant year after Hung Up, not because of Hung Up. And yes it is true. Ofc you wont admit that because you grew up with them and for you they were there the whole time - and on top of that you hate Hung Up. For younger generations not at all, generation that turned HU into monster hit. Generation that watched MTV in early 00s. MTV almost never played anything pre-mid 80s - aka pop. It was Vh1 where I actually got to see ABBA, BeeGees and other music from 70s.

ABBA's appeal today is far bigger than what it was in early 00s, thanks to successful mainstream movies that had bigger reach than just music would've had on kids these days. It also translated into streaming.

[jio]

You are repeating yourself. I already indicated how big Abba were in the 90s and that is music every person who was buying records in 2000 was familiar with. I didn't speak about 80s or pre-80s at all. And I am not even such a big fan of Abba but I don't really like people re-writing history just because it suits their faves. That's all.

[MrLeonix]

I would't put it in the same category as LAP/Vogue/Like A Virgin etc it is just not up there...

I wouldn't either. LAP/Vogue and LAV are definitely more legendary and did way more for Pop culture in general than HU.

But "Hung Up" is pretty much her Top-notch single post-1990

I think her 7 most celebrated hits are:

- Holiday
- Like A Virgin
- Material Girl
- La Isla Bonita
- Like A Prayer
- Vogue
- Hung Up

[Westen]

You are repeating yourself. I already indicated how big Abba were in the 90s and that is music every person who was buying records in 2000 was familiar with. I didn't speak about 80s or pre-80s at all. And I am not even such a big fan of Abba but I don't really like people re-writing history just because it suits their faves. That's all.

Nope, they were not relevant to the generation who turned HU into hit. Simple as that.

If Ariana sampled Madonna song now and it goes #1 would you give a credit to Madonna or Ariana? Would you say that Madonna is relevant in 10s to the kids who streamed Ariana song and that's why it was a hit?