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  • 4 would have underperformed even without those artists. Everyone was jumping on the EDM backwaggon (and so did she with RTW), but the rest of the album is a soul record. The album did suffer from a very poor choice of singles as well, which didn't help either. RTW was the album's Grown Woman/Formation, tucked at the end with no relation to the rest of the album.

    I agree that she should have given End Of Time a chance to shine. It should've definitely been the lead single, followed by Countdown, Love On Top, Dance For You and Party.
    Rest In Peace Lilly!

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    • It’s not that it’s a bad album, the running order is just utterly rubbish.

      End of Time
      Run The World
      Best Thing I Never Had
      I Was Here
      Party
      Love on Top
      Countdown

      Would have been a hell of an album opening.
      I have a bad feeling about this.

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      • I Was Here in the middle?
        maybe I'm too used to the original order for any other order to make sense. I remember being mad at the extended edition order

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        • 4 is a masterpiece and i'm glad it's one of King's fave albums.
          Cha Cha Instructor

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          • Originally posted by InFamous View Post

            Agree with all this.
            And paying X No complete dust like it deserves
            Why can't you let excellence in your life

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            • Originally posted by Aaronsmithjune1 View Post

              Why can't you let excellence in your life
              I just watched Crazy in Love. She barely sings on it. Like come on Bey.
              Billie Eilish claims her second Number 1 single with What Was I Made For? , scoring a last-minute victory over Dua Lipa’s Dance The Night.

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              • Originally posted by Artoo View Post
                It’s not that it’s a bad album, the running order is just utterly rubbish.

                End of Time
                Run The World
                Best Thing I Never Had
                I Was Here
                Party
                Love on Top
                Countdown

                Would have been a hell of an album opening.
                Run the world is one of the worst songs of her career.
                Billie Eilish claims her second Number 1 single with What Was I Made For? , scoring a last-minute victory over Dua Lipa’s Dance The Night.

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                • Originally posted by InFamous View Post

                  I just watched Crazy in Love. She barely sings on it. Like come on Bey.
                  She honestly hates performing her hits tbh.. she's not even performing DC songs anymore.. I also hate rtw

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                  • Love to see my album cup album and one of my fave albums gets praised .

                    4 is a great record and deserved much more. End of Time truly should have gotten a moment to shine
                    Proceed with Caution

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                    • Hasn’t it still hit 4x platinum, thanks largely to streaming ?

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                      • Listening to ST. I still think it’s a crappy album. The production is top tier and the ideas are occasionally interesting, but the songs just aren’t it. There are songs I like, but others are just… ‘why?’

                        I do enjoy Haunted, Blow, Partition (not Yoncé), XO and Flawless, and whilst I’ve never under the appeal of Drunk In Love, I have warmed to it a little over the years.

                        Thankfully Lemonade was a better album, and then The Gift was better than Lemonade, and now Renaissance is probably the best of her career.

                        But yeah, ST is overrated
                        I have a bad feeling about this.

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                        • Guess she's going to launch a hair product line.
                          Rest In Peace Lilly!

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                          • Maybe it's act 2.
                            Cha Cha Instructor

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                            • Hair product line???

                              I habe thoughts but ill keep them to myself.

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                              • America has a problem feat Kendrick Lamar

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                                • I feel like "The gift" is so underrated and it's mind boggling that it underperformed.
                                  It deserved more success than Lemonade and Self-titled in my honest opinion.
                                  I said it
                                  "Music doesn't change. People change the music...."
                                  -Whitney Elizabeth Houston

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                                  • The Gift is probably like my third favourite Beyoncé album. The main issue is Beyoncé didn’t promote it, or treat it like one of her own albums (even though it basically is). Black is King being released a year later comes across as essentially an afterthought, and by then the pandemic had hit and people were just over everything (that wasn’t Harry Styles or Dua Lipa).
                                    I have a bad feeling about this.

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                                    • Originally posted by Artoo View Post
                                      The Gift is probably like my third favourite Beyoncé album. The main issue is Beyoncé didn’t promote it, or treat it like one of her own albums (even though it basically is). Black is King being released a year later comes across as essentially an afterthought, and by then the pandemic had hit and people were just over everything (that wasn’t Harry Styles or Dua Lipa).
                                      I think The Gift would’ve done much better, if Black is King was released at the same time or shortly after The Lion King and got some cross promotion, but I’m not sure if it’s entirely Beyoncé’s fault. Disney likely had some say in it.
                                      But then again, Beyoncé barely joined in on the Lion King promo at all, so yeah, maybe she IS entirely to blame.
                                      That whole era could’ve been so much bigger with a little effort.
                                      To this day non-fans barely know of this album’s existence, and it’s such a shame considering it is one of her best.

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                                      • 2006 Beyonce was out and about yesterday

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                                        • So I went to the Beyonce concert yesterday coz I got tickets cheapish last minute

                                          It was really nice. Sis went off. Also REN is really that bish. Just the opening part was so boring because of all the ballads.

                                          Also her guitarist is so f**king hot. He had the juiciest and firmest man-boobs I have seen thus far.
                                          DUA LIPA - RIHANNA - THE WEEKND - DOJA CAT
                                          98 - OUT

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                                          • Playing 4 right now and it still slaps tbh
                                            I am the maniac, I am the ghoul
                                            I'm in the shadows in the corners of my room

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                                            • Ya know i would love a greatest hits collection from Bey with like 8 new songs or something. Somewhat of a new album but also all the hits. She could make a huge release out of it. If Taylor can do these crazy numbers with TV's of old albums I think bey could make big splash with a GH.
                                              Dont you forget, You're caught in my Spiderweb.

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                                              • Originally posted by cabanaboy View Post
                                                Ya know i would love a greatest hits collection from Bey with like 8 new songs or something. Somewhat of a new album but also all the hits. She could make a huge release out of it. If Taylor can do these crazy numbers with TV's of old albums I think bey could make big splash with a GH.
                                                The closest thing we'll ever get to a Greatest Hits from Bey is Homecoming.

                                                GH's are redundant nowadays, especially with streaming allowing you to create a playlist with your favourite songs. I'm not sure it would offer that much of a boost either. Taylor does the numbers she does because her music is accessible to all demographics and she actually bothers with marketing.
                                                Rest In Peace Lilly!

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                                                • Originally posted by Omiros View Post

                                                  GH's are redundant nowadays, especially with streaming allowing you to create a playlist with your favourite songs. I'm not sure it would offer that much of a boost either. Taylor does the numbers she does because her music is accessible to all demographics and she actually bothers with marketing.
                                                  This.

                                                  Taylor actually engages with her audience and serves them what they want. Bey literally said "let me drop this album and watch me do nothing until the tour begins (10 months later)". The fact that Rennaisance is still top 50 on Billboard 200 one year later is impressive considering how little she's done to promote it, and it shows how much it could've done if she had bothered.
                                                  Previously known as sYair

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                                                  • New song by Travis Scott featuring Beyoncé: "Delresto (Echoes)"

                                                    My music library: LAST.FM

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