Grammys 2021 Thread (info, predictions, nominations, wins)

[BeeBoy]

The industry is voting for these awards...It always cracks me up. Once they get nominated/their fave gets nominated everything is fine
The Weeknd deserved nominations for BL I agree with that but not anything else he submitted... I think it's a bigger upset Harry Sytles was shut out of AOTY.
I also feel like his chances would've been much higher with submitting Watermelon Sugar. Submitting Adore You in the general field was a huge mistake.

[croatiaxtina]

Didn't expect him to call them out publicly. It won't change a thing unfortunately...

He should not ever appear or support Grammy in future.
Robbery of century.

[theMathematician]

He should not ever appear or support Grammy in future.
Robbery of century.

This sounds a bit exaggerated.

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I've got a question regarding Billie Eilish: Hasn't there been a rule you can't get nominated for songs of an album that already won AOTY or something?

[croatiaxtina]

everything i wanted wasn't on her debut. It was a new song.

[madfan13]

Gosh so now The Weeknd sounds like Kanye or Nicki Minaj... entitled brats! No one owes him anything. And if the Grammys are as corrupt as he says they are, why is he seeking for their approval?! Move on, man! It should always be about the music, not about how much the Academy awards you...

[theMathematician]

everything i wanted wasn't on her debut. It was a new song.

Yes, it was a single taken from the album.

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Most nominations of the year:
2012: Kanye West
2013: Dan Auerbach, Fun, Frank Ocean, Mumford & Sons, Jay-Z, Kanye West
2014: Jay-Z
2015: Beyoncé, Sam Smith, Pharrell Williams
2016: Kendrick Lamar
2017: Beyoncé
2018: Jay-Z
2019: Kendrick Lamar
2020: Lizzo
2021: Beyoncé

[BeeBoy]

I can understand the frustration since it's the biggest music award there is but this doesn't benefit anybody in the end. Is he basically saying he bought his 3 awards he already has?

Be like Frank Ocean and don't submit if that's what you want

[theMathematician]

I can understand the frustration since it's the biggest music award there is but this doesn't benefit anybody in the end. Is he basically saying he bought his 3 awards he already has?

Be like Frank Ocean and don't submit if that's what you want

Some artists need to learn that it's an honor to get an award at the Grammys. There's no law saying you have to get one or even multiple ones. Some people should be more humble, more realistic about their own work of art and simply push harder next time.
It's OK to be disappointed, but be mature about it!

[Omiros]

Yeah I would have preferred it if he took the high road rather than post that. I still believe that submitting to Pop was his downfall, as the committee considers him R&B through and through. If he submitted to that category we would have had at least three noms and the clear frontrunner. In terms of the General Field, I think he may have been swapped out for HAIM or Colors, both of which don't have a nomination in their respective field. If I remember correctly the committee is allowed to swap out nominees for AOTY within the Top 15/20. The same thing happened with Lorde and Janelle Monáe.

TMZ (I know) is reporting that the Grammys gave him an ultimatum between the Grammys or the Superbowl, and apparently they were bitter he chose the latter. I don't believe this though, as he could have easily done both.

Either way, this whole thing has racist undertones. He deserved both AOTY and ROTY.

BeeBoy Harry and his combo of "pretends to be a rockstar" and "pretends to be gender fluid" is too try hard and I'm surprised but not that mad he got shut out. He is a manufactured popstar through and through and all his wall breaking photoshoots have been done by many artists before him and got scrutinized instead of being considered as innovative. Anyway, his label was silly to submit Adore You instead of Watermelon Sugar for ROTY.

theMathematician Everything I Wanted is a standalone Billie single and it isn't included in the album. I think it was recently added in a Target re-issue, but it was released during this eligibility period so they can nominate it.

[theMathematician]

In the past 10 years, no artist won big at the Grammys and performed at the Super Bowl. Even Grammy darling Beyoncé and Bruno Mars, who went on to win AOTY for his next album, would only win one award each in their respective years of hosting the Super Bowl musically.

[Noahh]

GRAMMY CHEW: A BIG MIDDLE FINGER TO US ALL, FROM GRAMMY

by Lenny Beer and Simon Glickman


We have to hold the Recording Academy accountable for making sure the Grammy nominations are reflective of both the marketplace and the culture.
We certainly disagree—strenuously—with many of the choices, but most of these are subject to debate. But a complete shutout of The Weeknd? The Secret Committee is essentially saying, "**** you—we can do whatever we want with impunity, and without you knowing who we are."

That’s just plain wrong and there’s no earthly reason for it.

“Blinding Lights” was a gargantuan hit, one that not only racked up a mind-boggling number of streams and radio spins but spilled over into other media, thundering at every sporting event, bubbling up as a TV bumper and pouring out of every other device that carries an audio signal. This song was so big that it drove consumption of other songs; it was a catalyst for music and the music industry.

And by the way, it’s also a great record: not cheesy, not derivative, not a novelty tune. It is aesthetically impeccable. That goes for the entire After Hours album.

The Weeknd himself, already a superstar, was catapulted to megastardom by this work—he’s about to play the Super Bowl for crying out loud. He’s never been bigger nor more of a cultural force. So how is it conceivable that he didn’t make the Top 20 in every single category for which he was submitted?

Answer: It's not. There is no scenario in which this ubiquitous, mesmerizing, envelope-pushing artist with a heavenly voice and the best material of his career was simply overlooked by voters who, somehow, embraced artists we’ve never heard of (sincere congratulations to all those artists). It is unthinkable.

The only conclusion we can draw is that he was purposely excluded. Why?
There’s no way to know, but we simply don’t buy the explanations offered thus far. The only way The Weeknd doesn’t end up with both Big Three and genre noms is if a decision was made to remove him from the list.

If we’re right, that was a dumb-ass decision and a slap in the face to pretty much the entire biz. It makes us all look bad and out of touch. It would certainly have been possible to acknowledge his achievement without lowering the volume on the Academy’s political/social objectives and (wholly justified) attention to righting the gender imbalance.

But if we’re doing this yearly trophyfest to honor great records—particularly ones that have had a huge cultural impact—Grammy’s neglect on this front is a huge failure.
The people in the rooms who made this choice are hiding their faces and their reasons. Who are they, and why do they have the right to do this to our most significant artists?

The Weeknd made the most compelling record of the year. Lil Baby made the most consequential political statement in music this year. Harry Styles is our biggest star. They were all excluded from the Top Three categories.
This just doesn’t make any sense.

https://hitsdailydouble.com/news&id=324183&title=GRAMMY-CHEW%3A-A-BIG-MIDDLE-FINGER-TO-US-ALL%2C-FROM-GRAMMY



HDD spilling the truth!! There's something more going on, they've purposely left The Weeknd out of the nominations.

[Omiros]

In the past 10 years, no artist won big at the Grammys and performed at the Super Bowl. Even Grammy darling Beyoncé and Bruno Mars, who went on to win AOTY for his next album, would only win one award each in their respective years of hosting the Super Bowl musically.

Come to think of it that's true. 4 and Unorthodox Jukebox both underperformed in their respective years. But what's the reason behind the beef?

[Noahh]

The Academy revealed that The Weeknd’s camp entered After Hours in the best progressive R&B album category, the new name for best urban contemporary album, where The Weeknd won two of his three Grammys to date. In the Grammy screening process, the album was moved to the best pop vocal album category.

The Grammys have the prerogative to move recordings to the categories where they think they fit best, though that particular move may have cost The Weeknd a nomination. His past Grammy history shows his strength in the urban contemporary (now progressive R&B) category. Also, that category is much less congested. It had 77 entries this year, compared to 186 for best pop vocal album.

https://www.billboard.com/articles/n..._medium=social

So The Weeknd and his team never submitted the album to the Pop category.

Also:

[BeeBoy]

Wasn't there also an ad with Rihanna deciding between Super Bowl and Grammys by a coin flip ultimately choosing the Grammys?

It's probably because they are competing in having artists perform at their ceremonies and they don't want to have rehashed Super Bowl performances on their stage. Ultimately the committee might be upset artist XY chose to perform elswhere.

Problem is though that committee can't choose in every category.

[Omiros]

Wow, so he submitted to R&B and they moved him? That's very shady.

Also not surprised his manager liked it. Pretty sure it's his team that leaked it to TMZ.

[BeeBoy]

Wow, so he submitted to R&B and they moved him? That's very shady.

Also not surprised his manager liked it. Pretty sure it's his team that leaked it to TMZ.

They would've needed to do so very early when they couldn't have known what's going to happen. I guess the committee swapped him out in every category they could which is general field and pop and he didn't receive nominatiosn elswhere (R&B categories for In Your Eyes and Best Music Video)

[aang]

I mean I don't think it matters where he submitted the album. He deserved at least 1 nomination either day in any category.

[aang]

Wasn't there also an ad with Rihanna deciding between Super Bowl and Grammys by a coin flip ultimately choosing the Grammys?

It's probably because they are competing in having artists perform at their ceremonies and they don't want to have rehashed Super Bowl performances on their stage. Ultimately the committee might be upset artist XY chose to perform elswhere.

Also I think there's some kind of unwritten rule between different TV networks when it comes to having the same artists perform. I'm not sure if it has something to do with this particular situation but I remember when Nicki was a judge on American Idol, she never performed on the show and everyone was wondering why. I think it was later explained that they asked her to choose between either performing at the American Idol finale OR performing at another award show (I think it was either the BBMA's or AMA's) and she chose the later.

[Beautyisbeauty]

As easy as releasing the final list the BRP worked with. If Abel is not in or has a very low placement, fair enough. They don´t owe him anything.
On the other hand, if he was in the top 10 by overall vote and yet they decided to snub him, it would be obvious there´s more to it.

[bm08]

It is certainly egregious for him to be completely shut out, especially if it is the result of them switching his submissions.

People may disagree with him, but I see Justin Bieber took issue with his switch as well.

[Omiros]

Statement from the President of the Recording Academy

“We understand that the Weeknd is disappointed at not being nominated. I was surprised and can empathize with what he’s feeling. His music this year was excellent, and his contributions to the music community and broader world are worthy of everyone’s admiration. We would have loved to have him also perform on the Grammy stage the weekend before [the Super Bowl]. Unfortunately, every year, there are fewer nominations than the number of deserving artists.”

[Morningglory]

Just an fyi for some of you folks:
cbs is airing both the super bowl and the Grammys this year. There’s apparently some “rule” of which I cannot find that the Super Bowl doesn’t want their halftime performer to perform on shows within two weeks of the super bowl performance.

the Weeknd wanted his album to be submitted to Pop in the first place anyway, so I’m not sure why his label did not. The Grammys move a lot of music so this is not shady nor weird. The Grammys do not take out or change anything in Pop, as there is no committee. It’s a straight vote. The Weeknd was not in the top 5 or 6 in the three Pop categories.

Justin bieber was never going to stay in r&b. His label likely didn’t even attempt to submit to r&b and rightfully so.

the first round of voting is open to all members, however there is a small portion of the members who actually vote in this round, hence why you see such strange nominations.

[bm08]

Certainly if they are switching an artist's work to an entirely new field the artist should be notified of this?

IMO, there are tonnes of ways to introduce transparency into the process, including who sits on what committees, making it known submissions, top vote getters, etc.

[Omiros]

They could also introduce shortlists for the field categories like the Oscars have recently.

[Morningglory]

They could also introduce shortlists for the field categories like the Oscars have recently.

They all have a committee except Alternative and Pop. But they should definitely have a committee and maybe after this year they will.