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  • Originally posted by Ska8er
    You guys want to believe that because it's easier to digest that it flopped

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    • Originally posted by Ska8er
      This is awesome. My favourite album of the year really.

      But underperformance and a rushed release doesn't make it a mixtape project.
      Originally posted by Marchum
      Originally posted by Ska8er
      You guys want to believe that because it's easier to digest that it flopped
      Originally posted by Guru
      Originally posted by ThaInfo1
      Originally posted by Ska8er
      You guys want to believe that because it's easier to digest that it flopped
      AND SO BITCH

      I honestly really don’t care. I mean they can’t be top dogs all the time in terms of success. I enjoyed the album and hearing Beyoncé talk her shit

      @Loveguru mixtape vibes sis? Gonna pray for those ears
      Nah sis. I consume music these days not because it’s commercial success. If it’s good, it’s good.
      I’m over the whole “it’s a must listen cause it’s famous on the charts and saleswise”. Other recent examples include Fergie and Toni. I loved these albums.
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      • Originally posted by menime123
        If anything I just think it shows people aren’t as receptive to drop releases where Beyoncé is concerned anymore. The album was widely reported upon release but reception to it was nothing like ST or Lemonade.
        Am I the only one who realises that a huge chunk of her casual fans don't care about Jay-Z and/or HipHop? Hell, even parts of the BeyHive were not very eager to get a joint album from them. I'm sure if it had spawned a big mainstream hit á là Bonnie & Clyde, it would have flown off the shelves, but as it was, the people less interested in HipHop simply didn't care about this project.
        Vice versa I am certain that many diehard Jay-Z fans have zero interest in Bey musically.
        "Jayoncé" don't have the same commercial power as each of them individually. It just doesn't work that way, regardless of their many successful features.

        The lack of promo played a huge role, too, because unless you saw the US leg of the tour, all you got was the Apeshit video and then literally NOTHING after that.

        EIL's performance is by no means any indication of what amount of interest their next solo releases will garner... surprise release or not.

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        • Originally posted by LittleLinda
          Originally posted by menime123
          If anything I just think it shows people aren’t as receptive to drop releases where Beyoncé is concerned anymore. The album was widely reported upon release but reception to it was nothing like ST or Lemonade.
          Am I the only one who realises that a huge chunk of her casual fans don't care about Jay-Z and/or HipHop? Hell, even parts of the BeyHive were not very eager to get a joint album from them. I'm sure if it had spawned a big mainstream hit á là Bonnie & Clyde, it would have flown off the shelves, but as it was, the people less interested in HipHop simply didn't care about this project.
          Vice versa I am certain that many diehard Jay-Z fans have zero interest in Bey musically.
          "Jayoncé" don't have the same commercial power as each of them individually. It just doesn't work that way, regardless of their many successful features.

          The lack of promo played a huge role, too, because unless you saw the US leg of the tour, all you got was the Apeshit video and then literally NOTHING after that.

          EIL's performance is by no means any indication of what amount of interest their next solo releases will garner... surprise release or not.
          I accept all that, but you would assume both fan bases would rush to listen to it... especially the Spotify lot that are still desperately waiting for lemonade. To the casual fan, their songs together have been huge in the past and you expect at least some of that magic repeated here.
          It’s worth noting that as far as casual fans are aware, this album had been in the works for years - even dedicated fans were shocked to learn it was recorded in a matter of weeks before release.

          For me, I’m surprised Summer never took off as a streaming hit actually (should have been the lead). It’s very ST and considering it was summer... I’m also surprised those who had tickets to upcoming OTRII shows (after date of didn’t rush to buy it, given the expectation they’d add songs from it into the show. Anyway, you’d expect there would be enough fans in both camps to make this a global #1 album.

          For me the entire reason for a surprise release is to shock people into engagement with the music. I just didn’t see it happen here, which I think indicates a decline in value and Beyoncé will need to revisit that idea moving forward. Personally I think Apeshit and Formation have a lot in common… so we shall see.
          I said "Lily, Oh Lily I'm so afraid, I fear I am walking in the Veil of Darkness".
          And she said "Child, take what I say with a pinch of salt... and protect yourself with fire".

          Kate Bush - Lily

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          • But why exactly would you expect both fanbases to rush to listen to it? That's exactly my point: A lot of them don't care for the other one. Like, at all.
            Even a lot of die-hard fans kept complaining about the joint album idea (all those years when it was still just a rumor) and downright said that they'd rather have a solo album. Overall, interest in it seemed to be pretty low from the get-go. I'm actually surprised it even went to #2.

            To me joint albums seem like a generally bad idea (commercially). "Fanbase + fanbase" does never equal "Fanbase x2". Come to think of it: Were there any joint albums in music history that were a huge success? The only one I remember doing really well commercially was Watch The Throne.

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            • Originally posted by LittleLinda
              The only one I remember doing really well commercially was Watch The Throne.
              Even Watch The Throne opened with way less than what both their solo efforts did before, despite niggas in Paris being such a big hit and they arguably have a more overlapping fanbase.
              I think you're right that definitely was a big part but there were many things which were handled wrong. We will see soon enough if this was really a reflection of steep decline in popularity
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              • Originally posted by LittleLinda
                But why exactly would you expect both fanbases to rush to listen to it? That's exactly my point: A lot of them don't care for the other one. Like, at all.
                Even a lot of die-hard fans kept complaining about the joint album idea (all those years when it was still just a rumor) and downright said that they'd rather have a solo album. Overall, interest in it seemed to be pretty low from the get-go. I'm actually surprised it even went to #2.

                To me joint albums seem like a generally bad idea (commercially). "Fanbase + fanbase" does never equal "Fanbase x2". Come to think of it: Were there any joint albums in music history that were a huge success? The only one I remember doing really well commercially was Watch The Throne.
                I am proof of not rushing to hear this joint venture. Yes, I’m a Beyoncé stan. I listen to Jay Z but only because of his link to Beyoncé. But this wasn’t a pure Beyoncé project so it could wait.
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                • Originally posted by Guru
                  Originally posted by LittleLinda
                  But why exactly would you expect both fanbases to rush to listen to it? That's exactly my point: A lot of them don't care for the other one. Like, at all.
                  Even a lot of die-hard fans kept complaining about the joint album idea (all those years when it was still just a rumor) and downright said that they'd rather have a solo album. Overall, interest in it seemed to be pretty low from the get-go. I'm actually surprised it even went to #2.

                  To me joint albums seem like a generally bad idea (commercially). "Fanbase + fanbase" does never equal "Fanbase x2". Come to think of it: Were there any joint albums in music history that were a huge success? The only one I remember doing really well commercially was Watch The Throne.
                  I am proof of not rushing to hear this joint venture. Yes, I’m a Beyoncé stan. I listen to Jay Z but only because of his link to Beyoncé. But this wasn’t a pure Beyoncé project so it could wait.
                  Well, I listened to it right away out of curiosity, downloaded it... but when it came to buying the physical - which I do on the day of release when it comes to my faves - I waited for weeks and weeks until it got discounted. So yeah, this definitely wasn't as important to me as her solo records, even though I like it a lot.

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                  • Re: The Carters - Everything Is Love

                    Sad that they didn't release at least one more video :( The video for 'APESHIT' was so epic.
                    Big.Big.Booty.

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                    • Originally posted by Benjamin
                      Sad that they didn't release at least one more video :( The video for 'APESHIT' was so epic.

                      They probably blew the budget just on that one video. But it was a damn good budget to blow.
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                      • Re: The Carters - Everything Is Love

                        TBH

                        Fan base times 2 can work if done right.

                        Beyonce and Riri album right now will SMASSSSSH. for example
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                        • Originally posted by Loveguru
                          TBH

                          Fan base times 2 can work if done right.

                          Beyonce and Riri album right now will SMASSSSSH. for example
                          I think in order for it to work the fanbases need to be similar and both participants need to come from the same genre. That's why they would smash and we can finally see why they named it R&B
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                          • Originally posted by Loveguru
                            TBH

                            Fan base times 2 can work if done right.

                            Beyonce and Riri album right now will SMASSSSSH. for example
                            I just had an idea for DC3. What if it was a triple disc!
                            - Kelly x Beyoncé, some Kelly solo and some duets
                            - Michelle x Beyoncé, some Michelle solo and some duets
                            - DC3

                            It will kinda like promote the other 2 ladies as well
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                            • Re: The Carters - Everything Is Love

                              Like Bey would let them have solos
                              I said "Lily, Oh Lily I'm so afraid, I fear I am walking in the Veil of Darkness".
                              And she said "Child, take what I say with a pinch of salt... and protect yourself with fire".

                              Kate Bush - Lily

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                              • This is my favorite “Beyonce” record

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                                • Originally posted by menime123
                                  Like Bey would let them have solos
                                  Well they've had solo album releases.

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                                  • Originally posted by Rocksteady09
                                    Originally posted by menime123
                                    Like Bey would let them have solos
                                    Well they've had solo album releases.
                                    Bad Habit on Destiny Fulfilled was by Kelly Rowland
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                                    • The 50 Best Albums Of 2018

                                      36. The Carters, Everything Is Love

                                      Jay-Z and Beyonce as The Carters presented their surprise album Everything Is Love as the ultimate ode to Black love and partnership. It’s not rare to hear Jigga rap about Black Excellence and championing the idea of keeping money within the community, and on Everything Is Love, Jay takes Bey along for the ride as she offers her impeccable Houston swagger and vocals echoing those same sentiments.

                                      Everything is put on the table as they not only address personal struggles on the album — and that infamous elevator incident — they sing and rap about how they got through the good times and bad. “Summer” is the album’s jazzy, smooth introductory track heralding the notion of affection and appreciation between the married couple. The album’s lead single, “Apesh*t,” is quite the opposite — a hard-hitting, boastful trap song featuring recognizable inflections and ad-libs from Migos’ Quavo, who happened to help to write the Mike Will Made-It-produced song. As a couple, they initiate the “Apesh*t” with demands of getting their respect. Jay himself commands to be paid in equity for his art and brags about denying requests to perform at the Super Bowl. Everything Is Love‘s other tracks such as “Boss,” “713,” and “Friends,” continue to tell The Carters’ story as they want to tell it — through great production and catchy hooks. This is what love and war sounds like.–C.J.

                                      https://uproxx.com/music/best-albums-of-2018-ranked/2/
                                      "King isn't overrated, your fave is just undertalented."

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                                      • Best Of 2018: Albums

                                        2. Everything is Love – The Carters
                                        The follow-up to Beyoncé’s masterful Lemonade and Jay-Z’s vulnerable 4:44, Everything Is Love brings closure to the couple’s infidelity drama and features the duo back on top of the world. Acknowledging and accepting the mistakes of the past, Mr. and Mrs. Carter use their music to discuss their reforged love, display their wealth, and highlight racial injustices. This project’s striking visual component, a music video accompanying the track “Apeshit,” juxtaposes their modern wealth and black pride with the colonial opulence of the Louvre, allowing them to shine a spotlight on the historical mistreatment of Africans in western art. Acknowledging this terrible truth and broadcasting their success in spite of it, the Carters point out that love was strong enough to fix their marriage, so perhaps love can become strong enough to fix everything else. – Thomas Scanlon

                                        https://georgetownvoice.com/2018/12/07/ ... 18-albums/
                                        "King isn't overrated, your fave is just undertalented."

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                                        • The 100 Best Songs of 2018

                                          64. APESHIT

                                          Beyoncé can rap. Over the course of her 20-year career, she’d tease us with a few bars here and there, but her skills seemed like a hidden talent, one only top-tier members of the Beyhive were attuned to. The secret is out on her joint album with husband Jay Z, Everything Is Love. On “APESHIT,” The Carters are proving they are not only adept at making timeless music, but can ride the trends as well as rap’s rookies. Co-written by Migos, Bey and Jay adopt triplet flows and shout random ad-libs like “Vitamin D!,” If Everything Is Love is a successor Watch the Throne, “APESHIT” is the new “Niggas in Paris.” —Kristin Corry

                                          https://noisey.vice.com/en_ca/article/q ... gs-of-2018
                                          "King isn't overrated, your fave is just undertalented."

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                                          • Best Unexpected Collaborations of 2018 (Staff Picks)

                                            "SUMMER" — THE CARTERS (Beyoncé & JAY-Z)

                                            Looking back on the past year, the words “unexpected” and “collab” simply can’t be mentioned in the same sentence without considering the surprise album EVERYTHING IS LOVE by Beyoncé and JAY-Z. “APESHIT” certainly made the biggest splash with its unrestrained energy and Migos ad-libs, but the regal, lofty ambiance of “SUMMER” might still be even more enjoyable. As the lush instrumental slowly rolls out the red carpet, Beyoncé strolls into the scene with grandeur before Hov follows suit, presenting the most powerful couple in hip-hop in full glory. —Kenan Draughorne

                                            https://djbooth.net/features/2018-12-07 ... tions-2018
                                            "King isn't overrated, your fave is just undertalented."

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                                            • Best Music Videos of 2018 (Staff Picks)

                                              “APESHIT” — THE CARTERS (Beyoncé & JAY-Z)
                                              Director: Ricky Saiz

                                              Our resident prophet Vince Staples once asserted that the National Anthem doesn’t slap. In more subtle fashion, the Carters used “APESHIT” to question if the Mona Lisa really slaps. EVERYTHING IS LOVE is the culminating and extremely satisfying finale to Beyoncé and JAY-Z’s long artistic and personal journeys. But bigger than the album itself perhaps is the music video shot entirely in the Louvre, where the larger-than-life couple challenge European standards of beauty and manage to make the world’s most famous art museum more legitimate through their presence. Subversive and superb, “APESHIT” places the Carters in a larger conversation around Black culture’s relationship to Western standards—a conversation both artists have individually been ready to host for years, but collectively accomplish here. —Ben Taylor

                                              https://djbooth.net/features/2018-12-05 ... ideos-2018
                                              "King isn't overrated, your fave is just undertalented."

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                                              • PopBuzz Top 20 'Albums of the Year' 2018

                                                15) The Carters - EVERYTHING IS LOVE
                                                The Carters assert their dominance once more on EVERYTHING IS LOVE. Beyoncé shows off her immaculate flow on tracks like 'APESHIT' and 'FRIENDS', while Jay Z is suave and energetic across the album. Of course, "I ain't never seen a ceiling in my whole life, that's word to Blue" is the line of the album and, possibly, the century. - Nicky Idika

                                                https://www.popbuzz.com/music/features/ ... year-2018/
                                                "King isn't overrated, your fave is just undertalented."

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                                                • The 10 best songs of 2018

                                                  2. “Apeshit” – The Carters
                                                  Nobody wins when the family feuds — not even the most successful couple on the planet. On the first single from this summer’s surprise album drop Everything Is Love, music’s reigning monarchs flip an energetic Migos-penned track for their own independent, we-shot-the-music-video-for-this-song-at-the-damn-Louvre flex. After mining the depths of an alleged cheating scandal via respective solo records (Bey’s hypnotic visual LP Lemonade from 2016, and Jay’s introspective 4:44 from 2017), “Apes—” shows that the A-listers are finally back together, happy, and livin’ lavish. —AS

                                                  https://ew.com/music/2018/12/05/the-10- ... s-of-2018/
                                                  "King isn't overrated, your fave is just undertalented."

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                                                  • Best Music Of 2018

                                                    50. The Carters Everything Is Love

                                                    Beyoncé and Jay-Z finally dropped a collaborative album, and it's triumphant in the truest sense of the word: jubilant, victorious. Everything Is Love functions as a state-of-our-union victory lap after a pair of solo albums (Beyoncé's Lemonade and Jay-Z's 4:44) that picked through the debris of a widely publicized marital crisis. Next to the wrenching public reflection of its predecessors, Everything Is Love might feel comparatively slight, especially given how frequently the lyrics back-burner personal revelations in order to rejoice in the accumulation of wealth and status. ("My great-great-grandchildren already rich," Beyoncé notes in "BOSS," adding, "That's a lot of brown children on your Forbes list.") Still, the breathless celebration in Everything Is Love feels hard-won, as music's dominant power couple crafts an infectious, album-length tribute to marital solidarity as the ultimate expression of power. —Stephen Thompson

                                                    https://www.npr.org/2018/12/04/67120657 ... 018-page-1
                                                    "King isn't overrated, your fave is just undertalented."

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