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Postby Storyteller » Mon Jan 09, 2017 2:42 pm

Biebz wrote:Friends is one of my favourite TV shows
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Postby Spartan » Mon Jan 09, 2017 4:12 pm

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Biebz wrote:Friends is one of my favourite TV shows
Mine too, but I don't like watching it too much. I think I've seen them all so many times that it just became less and less funny so I'm on a break from it.
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Postby biscuits » Mon Jan 09, 2017 4:18 pm

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Biebz wrote:Friends is one of my favourite TV shows
Mine too, but I don't like watching it too much. I think I've seen them all so many times that it just became less and less funny so I'm on a break from it.
S6-9 seem to get shown more than the other seasons
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Postby Spartan » Mon Jan 09, 2017 4:23 pm

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Biebz wrote:Friends is one of my favourite TV shows
Mine too, but I don't like watching it too much. I think I've seen them all so many times that it just became less and less funny so I'm on a break from it.
S6-9 seem to get shown more than the other seasons
S6 is the absolute worst.
But I commend the shows longevity. I don't know any other show that has such a high-played syndication rate.
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Postby biscuits » Mon Jan 09, 2017 4:34 pm

S6 didn't really go anywhere.

In terms of cliffhanger, it started off with Chandler and Monica getting married and ending with them getting engaged! What kinda backwardness?!

Janine was awful. The aftermath of Ross and Rachel getting married didn't pay off. Phoebe and Rachel living together didn't give us anything.

Yeah, it was a pretty bland season.
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Postby Spartan » Mon Jan 09, 2017 4:37 pm

Elle McPherson has to be one of the worst guest star ever on Friends, even worse than Helen Baxendale (who was actually pretty good to play a character so irritating).
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Postby NothingFails » Mon Jan 09, 2017 4:49 pm

What I hate about Friends is that after that show, EVERY series had to have it's own "Ross and Rachel". You can argue Cheers started this with Sam And Diane a decade earlier, but even that show wasn't as dominated with those two (and plus, Sam and Diane mercifully came to an end when Shelley Long left the show) but with Friends, it seemed like every cliffhanger had something to do with those two and it was painfully obvious at least five years prior to the ending that the show would ultimately end with those two permanently getting back together,

To me, Big Bang Theory is a perfect example of a show that became unwatchable when the powers that be decided to turn it into Friends. The first few seasons were fresh and hilarious and then it had to go and become a soap, and Leonard and Penny worked better together when they were platonic friends and he was the nerdy scientist pining for a girl who was way out of his league. Once they got together and it became about "Ross and Rachel"-ing them, it got boring quick.
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Postby MrLeonix » Mon Jan 09, 2017 4:50 pm

"Friends" massive ratings maintained solid and consistent for every of the 10 seasons, the show never declined, it was always huge. They could have made more seasons if they wanted, but I guess it was classier to end the show on a high note.
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Postby biscuits » Mon Jan 09, 2017 4:53 pm

What I love about my show 'Mom' is that there are none of these on-off romances. The show is not designed to tug at the heartstrings of romantics and teenagers. Whenever there is drama, it is real drama, like a central character overdosing or another denying she has an alcohol problem. I love this show because it has found the perfect balance between comedy and drama - it can be side splittingly funny or heart wrenchingly sad.

And it never feels like a soap either because the storylines are all scattered around, never continuing episode after episode.
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Postby Spartan » Mon Jan 09, 2017 4:54 pm

MrLeonix wrote:"Friends" massive ratings maintained solid and consistent for every of the 10 seasons, the show never declined, it was always huge. They could have made more seasons if they wanted, but I guess it was classier to end the show on a high note.
I'm glad they ended it when they did, some S10 episodes were shocking (TOW Joey Speaks French being the prime example).
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Postby Spartan » Mon Jan 09, 2017 4:55 pm

biscuits wrote:What I love about my show 'Mom' is that there are none of these on-off romances. The show is not designed to tug at the heartstrings of romantics and teenagers. Whenever there is drama, it is real drama, like a central character overdosing or another denying she has an alcohol problem. I love this show because it has found the perfect balance between comedy and drama - it can be side splittingly funny or heart wrenchingly sad.

And it never feels like a soap either because the storylines are all scattered around, never continuing episode after episode.
I need to finish watching Mom, I think I stopped around halfway through S2 but, in terms of performers, Faris and Janney are outstanding. I know everyone harps on about Allison Janney but Anna Faris deserves just as much credit.
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Postby NothingFails » Mon Jan 09, 2017 4:56 pm

Friends benefited from being comfort television and staying in a familiar timeslot for so many years. Big Bang Theory (in season 10 and is the #2 show in the US) currently benefits from the same situation, Seinfeld, Cheers and MASH in the past were able to do the same and were still highly rated hits 9-11 years into their runs when they ended. Seinfeld was #1 its last season, MASH #3 and Cheers was #6 I believe). After this many seasons, those characters become so familiar to people that it's like catching up with old friends.
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Postby NothingFails » Mon Jan 09, 2017 4:56 pm

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MrLeonix wrote:"Friends" massive ratings maintained solid and consistent for every of the 10 seasons, the show never declined, it was always huge. They could have made more seasons if they wanted, but I guess it was classier to end the show on a high note.
I'm glad they ended it when they did, some S10 episodes were shocking (TOW Joey Speaks French being the prime example).
omg French was the worst episode of the entire series. I know some people hate the one from season 9 with the shark porn, but that one is just weird enough that it was actually hilarious.
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Postby biscuits » Mon Jan 09, 2017 4:56 pm

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MrLeonix wrote:"Friends" massive ratings maintained solid and consistent for every of the 10 seasons, the show never declined, it was always huge. They could have made more seasons if they wanted, but I guess it was classier to end the show on a high note.
I'm glad they ended it when they did, some S10 episodes were shocking (TOW Joey Speaks French being the prime example).
I think seeing Phoebe and Mike married could have been fun. Errbody was over Ross and Rachel long before S10. And seeing Monica and Chandler raising a family would have been torture - scene after scene of Monica being pushy and then every once in a while, a scene where Chandler comes up as the hero.

Definitely ended at the right time
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Postby NothingFails » Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:02 pm

Phoebe should've had the spinoff, not Joey. Joey was so one-dimensional and by the end they had dumbed his character down so much to where you wondered how he knew how to get out of bed. Wasn't a shock when the spinoff failed, even though I do feel like the spinoff should've at least had a few appearances from the other Friends, kinda like how everyone from Cheers barring Kirstie Alley appeared on Frasier at some point.
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Postby biscuits » Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:07 pm

NothingFails wrote:Phoebe should've had the spinoff, not Joey. Joey was so one-dimensional and by the end they had dumbed his character down so much to where you wondered how he knew how to get out of bed. Wasn't a shock when the spinoff failed, even though I do feel like the spinoff should've at least had a few appearances from the other Friends, kinda like how everyone from Cheers barring Kirstie Alley appeared on Frasier at some point.
I haven't seen a single episode of 'Joey'. Absolutely the worst choice for the spin-off.

We could have had:
- Monica and Chandler raising a family in the suburbs (actually, maybe it wouldn't have been so bad, even though Chandler was my least fave by this point)
- Ross and Rachel finally together (hmm, maybe boring. Perhaps they should have relocated to Paris)
- Phoebe and Mike newlyweds (potential!)
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Postby MrLeonix » Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:08 pm

What's also interesting about these series is to see which cast member ends becoming the biggest star eventually.

During early Friends, Courtney Cox was presented as the leading actress of Friends while the rest was in "supporting role", the other cast members had to initially submit themselves in the supporting categories for the Emmy Awards and in fact Lisa Kudrow won her Emmy award as "Best supporting actress" while Coutrney was presented for the Lead category, she was considered to be the only star of the group (she was starring on the "Screams" films at the time as well) and she had the highest salary among the Friends cast, until one day producers realized every character was popular and there were even some that seemed to be more public favorites than Courtney (Monica), so every cast member was raised to Lead Actors categories all in the same condition and all of their salaries were matched to be the same. Life is ironic and later it would be Jennifer Aniston the one that would eventually become the biggest superstar of the cast.

Something similar happened with "Dawson's Creek", Katie Holmes was predicted to be the new promising star but eventually Michelle Williams overtook her and now enjoys great success as an actress scoring Oscar nominations nearly every year.
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Postby NothingFails » Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:16 pm

^Courtney was the only one who was somewhat known before 1994, that was why she was presented as the star early on. She'd been well known from the Bruce Springsteen video and for playing Michael J. Fox's girlfriend on Family Ties (which at its peak was #2 in the ratings, so it was a very big show) and for various movies she'd been in. At the time, she was the only one of the six who was a familiar face, that's why she was initially promoted as the biggest star, because in 1994 she was the one who was somewhat of a star by then. In comparison, Aniston was known for being in Leprechaun lol.

To be truthful, I always liked Cox better than Aniston, but Aniston always had an "it" quality that drew people to her.
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Postby biscuits » Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:22 pm

Whomever played Rachel was going to become the star IMO. The early seasons were devoted to the Ross and Rachel storyline, in which the audience was supposed to root for Rachel, especially with the introduction of Julie and Chloe. On the flipside, Monica was neurotic and Phoebe was too kooky - neither of them were going to be America's sweetheart.

I don't think the popularity was because of Jennifer Aniston. Because in later series when the Ross and Rachel storyline took a backseat, it really began to feel like she was a supporting character. That's probably why they gave her the baby, to bring Rachel/Jennifer Aniston back into the spotlight.
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Postby Storyteller » Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:24 pm

biscuits wrote:What I love about my show 'Mom' is that there are none of these on-off romances. The show is not designed to tug at the heartstrings of romantics and teenagers. Whenever there is drama, it is real drama, like a central character overdosing or another denying she has an alcohol problem. I love this show because it has found the perfect balance between comedy and drama - it can be side splittingly funny or heart wrenchingly sad.

And it never feels like a soap either because the storylines are all scattered around, never continuing episode after episode.
Completely agree!! Best comedy on tv by a mile and one of the best shows on tv in general.
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Postby MrLeonix » Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:24 pm

NothingFails wrote:^Courtney was the only one who was somewhat known before 1994, that was why she was presented as the star early on. She'd been well known from the Bruce Springsteen video and for playing Michael J. Fox's girlfriend on Family Ties (which at its peak was #2 in the ratings, so it was a very big show) and for various movies she'd been in. At the time, she was the only one of the six who was a familiar face, that's why she was initially promoted as the biggest star, because in 1994 she was the one who was somewhat of a star by then. In comparison, Aniston was known for being in Leprechaun lol.

To be truthful, I always liked Cox better than Aniston, but Aniston always had an "it" quality that drew people to her.
Yes, I know she was the only "known" cast member when the show started, but its funny how these things never ensure anything, at the end Jennifer was the one that turned out to be the biggest star. Similar to how on "Desperate Housewives" Teri Hatcher was the highest paid for being the "most known" at the time, and they even tried to centered the show on her just to be outshadowed years later by Marcia Cross acclaimed role, Felicity getting an Oscar nomination and Eva becoming the biggest media celerbity of the cast.

To be honest, I much prefer the Monica role on Friends than Rachel's, like literally Monica was miles better and funnier than Rachel, but there was something about Aniston that seemed to click more, she was like one of America's sweethearts at some point.
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Postby NothingFails » Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:34 pm

Honestly though, I'd say all of the Friends cast members have turned out better than any of the Desperate Housewives people. Aniston's the only one who is an A-list film star but Cox, Kudrow, Schwimmer, Perry and LeBlanc have all had success on television since. Seems like everyone from DH has fallen off the face of the planet.
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Postby Era » Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:39 pm

Julia Louis-Dreyfus >>>>
I love how she was a very well-known character of HUGE show like 'Seinfeld' yet she managed to achieve great(er) success later on.
Veep is easily the best comedy on TV right now
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Postby jio » Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:41 pm

I loved "Stranger Things", best show ever... Winona, 80s, sci-fi... perfect
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Postby MrLeonix » Mon Jan 09, 2017 5:41 pm

NothingFails wrote:Honestly though, I'd say all of the Friends cast members have turned out better than any of the Desperate Housewives people. Aniston's the only one who is an A-list film star but Cox, Kudrow, Schwimmer, Perry and LeBlanc have all had success on television since. Seems like everyone from DH has fallen off the face of the planet.
Definately.

Speaking of huge and popular shows that never seemed to produce a big A-list star was the 90s iconic and massive "Beverly Hills 90210" it was freaking popular but none of the actors ever seemed to raise to A-list status. Shannen Doherty was the closest but her bad reputation and problematic work ethic definately took her down a lot of chances.
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