Immigrants: how much do they REALLY affect a country?

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Postby aRat » Thu Dec 20, 2018 4:16 pm

So all through recorded human history and just as recently as these last couple of years we have heard, read and seen so much rhetoric about how much immigrants negatively affect the stability, the economy and the well being of a country. Using immigrants as a scapegoat is a really powerful tool: just these couple years many major political changes like Brexit and the election of Trump among many others had "fear of immigrants" as a major parameter that affected the outcome...

... but how much of that is true? How much do immigrants REALLY affect a country? Where is the data? Where is the statistics? Where is the correlation between immigrants and everything bad that happens in a country?

How come such a minority that most of the time never exceeds 5-10% of the total population and very often has absolutely no say and no power in decisions and politics can so drastically steer a country for the worst?

This hateful rhetoric about immigrants has been used time and time again but where is the proof to back it up? How come no one has ever bothered to do research on it so this misconception can be laid to rest once and for all? Especially since this hate has costed millions of lives and displaced many millions more?
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Postby JSparksFan » Sun Dec 23, 2018 2:47 am

You raise some excellent points, aRat.

I think the problem isn't with the absence of statistics, but with the communication of the same. I haven't fact-checked the article below, but it presents some interesting data.

American Progress wrote:Immigrants and the economy

The economic impact of immigrants

Immigrants added an estimated $2 trillion to the U.S. GDP in 2016. Immigrants are overrepresented in the labor force and also boost productivity through innovation and entrepreneurship.

In 2010, more than 40 percent of Fortune 500 companies were founded by immigrants and their children. This includes 90 companies founded by immigrants and 114 companies founded by children of immigrants. These companies employ more than 10 million people worldwide.

Over the long run, the net fiscal impact of immigration is positive. From 2011 to 2013, children of immigrants contributed $1,700 per person to state and local budgets, and immigrants’ grandchildren contributed another $1,300. Across three generations, immigrants’ net contribution, per person, was $900.64
Research shows that immigrants complement, rather than compete with, U.S.-born American workers—even lesser-skilled workers. Researchers such as Ethan Lewis, Will Somerville, and Madeleine Sumption find that U.S.-born workers and immigrants have different skill sets and tend to work in different jobs and industries, even when they have similar educational backgrounds. Immigrants tend to complement the skill sets of American workers, thus enhancing their productivity.

The impact of immigration on the wages of U.S.-born individuals is small but positive over the long run. Economist Heidi Shierholz estimates that from 1994 to 2007, immigration increased average wages of U.S.-born individuals 0.4 percent, or $3.68 per week. Immigrants consume goods and services, creating jobs for natives and other immigrants alike. These results are consistent with those of other studies by economists such as David Card, Gianmarco Ottaviano, and Giovanni Peri.

Immigration also appears to have a minimal impact on average African American wages and employment. The work of scholars such as Lonnie Stevans, Robert LaLonde, Robert Topel, Franklin Wilson, Gerald Jaynes, and David Card suggests that immigration had little effect on the wages and employment of African American men between 1960 and 2010, regardless of their level of education.

As Baby Boomers retire en masse over the next 20 years, immigrants will be crucial to filling these job openings and promoting growth of the labor market. From 2020 to 2030, 7 million U.S.-born individuals, on net, are expected to leave the labor force. 2 million immigrants and 6.9 million children of immigrants are projected to join the labor force during the same period. Looking further, from 2015 to 2065, immigrants and their descendants are expected to account for 88 percent of U.S. population growth. As such, immigrants and their children will be critical both in replacing retiring workers—preventing labor market contraction—and also in meeting the demands of the future economy.
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Postby aRat » Sun Dec 23, 2018 2:22 pm

It makes sense for the right wing to hide these infos since their existence depends on upholding the hate for immigrants but why haven't liberals tried harder to end this myth?
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Postby stevyy » Sun Dec 23, 2018 2:25 pm

aRat wrote:It makes sense for the right wing to hide these infos since their existence depends on upholding the hate for immigrants but why haven't liberals tried harder to end this myth?
bc conservative ppl are lost in their hate. No factual information will change that.
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Postby heppolo » Sun Dec 23, 2018 2:49 pm

aRat wrote:It makes sense for the right wing to hide these infos since their existence depends on upholding the hate for immigrants but why haven't liberals tried harder to end this myth?
Liberals are casually getting cornered by anecdotal evidence, religious tension (esp. hate preachers), and sporadic, isolated criminal acts misrepresented as trends that get hyped up by the media (both mainstream and right-wing to gain profit).
As far as I remember, the main argument of right-wingers is that specific groups of immigrants and refugees practice religious beliefs that go against the liberal and democratic values, especially towards women rights, LGBTIQ+ rights, religious freedom.
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