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Battle Of The Personal Songs

Poll ended at Sun Jun 24, 2018 10:49 pm

Close My Eyes
34
34%
Petals
14
14%
Vanishing
18
18%
Looking In
23
23%
Sunflowers For Alfred Roy
3
3%
I Wish You Well
8
8%
 
Total votes : 100

Postby NorthernMonkey » Fri May 25, 2018 6:49 pm

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bm08 wrote:Of course not. I’ve already called it a failure.

But it also says a lot that she is still able to match her peers in the streaming era despite failing in album sales. They’ll too have to do better singles wise and in streaming.
Amazing what having a hot young R&B star on your record can do!
A current hot R&B star, a great song and a legend, I believe are the 3 reasons. Didn’t this song give Miguel his highest peaking single? I rest my case.
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Postby LongingHeart » Fri May 25, 2018 6:50 pm

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bm08 wrote:Of course not. I’ve already called it a failure.

But it also says a lot that she is still able to match her peers in the streaming era despite failing in album sales. They’ll too have to do better singles wise and in streaming.
Amazing what having a hot young R&B star on your record can do!
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Postby onesup » Fri May 25, 2018 6:58 pm

ouch at those MIAM album sale numbers! Also, I highly doubt that #B would have reached #16 if it weren't for that radio deal they got that played B like every hour or something. That plus having a hot, younger, new male artist helped. A lot of the melody and the instruments on the track came from Miguel. Of course what Mariah added completed the song and elevated it. Not to say that it didn't deserve better- it's a lovely song. It just didn't take off for so many reasons.

it's shocking when you see the number written down but when taking into consideration all that was happening at the time, the number makes total sense. I also don't think the music resonated with the general public. Songs that people truly love can become famous just through word of mouth. MIAMI was really more like an album for the fans.
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Postby DOSSOME » Fri May 25, 2018 7:06 pm

Well, at least MIAM gave us a multiplatinum hit. Not everyone has that 2 Decades into their careers :D
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Postby taustin13 » Fri May 25, 2018 7:12 pm

DOSSOME wrote:Well, at least MIAM gave us a multiplatinum hit. Not everyone has that 2 Decades into their careers :D
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Postby Gravity » Fri May 25, 2018 7:12 pm

DOSSOME wrote:Well, at least MIAM gave us a multiplatinum hit. Not everyone has that 2 Decades into their careers :D
I can't with people acting like #Beautiful was a flop :lol:
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Postby divingmuffin » Fri May 25, 2018 7:20 pm

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DOSSOME wrote:Well, at least MIAM gave us a multiplatinum hit. Not everyone has that 2 Decades into their careers :D
I can't with people acting like #Beautiful was a flop :lol:
I feel like #Beautiful was a big hit that people still remember fondly. It is just lamentable that it didn’t peak higher because that’s how many people measure success.
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Postby taustin13 » Fri May 25, 2018 7:24 pm

If Mariah decides to promote this new album overseas, it will do well WW. She gave up on MIAM too quickly. That album was delayed at least 2 times in 2013 along with her injury into 2014. By the time the album was released, #beautiful already received platinum certification and radio was no longer playing the song in mainstream. It was still on radio but it was few and far between. That era like the E=MC2 era were badly mishandled by her label. MOIA and MC2Y went gold and did well WW because she was promoting the albums like crazy. She was pregnant with twins and gave more effort than 2014. 2014 was just a mess from label, Mariah, and management. I look forward to see how Sony Music, Mariah Carey, and Roc Nation handles this new era back at Sony. This is her 1st studio album she is working on back at Sony Music and they treat their artists well. Especially their older established acts.
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Postby SawyerHewitt » Fri May 25, 2018 7:26 pm

Did Incredible by Celine x Ne-Yo get into the top 20 as well and did it go platinum?
'Cause you got the same formula there but different results.

Anyway, #Beautiful was quality and really was a smash.
Platinum in the USA, Silver in the UK,
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Postby hotMCfan » Fri May 25, 2018 7:40 pm

There are rumors that Nicki and Eminem are dating. :lol:
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Postby Shadyboot » Fri May 25, 2018 7:51 pm

And Wayne is supposed to be a moderator... He causes trouble and then he will threaten to close this thread, just wait... :lol:
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Anyways. I love the video of her reacting to covers. She looks so beautiful, Mariah should always wear bright colors they suit her so well.
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Postby stevyy » Fri May 25, 2018 7:52 pm

SawyerHewitt wrote:Anyway, #Beautiful was quality and really was a smash.
Platinum in the USA, Silver in the UK,
2xP - USA
1xP - Australia
1xG - New Zealand
1xG - Denmark*
1xG - Venezuela
1xS - United Kingdom
certified units: 2,282,500**

**excludes Denmark as the single was certified on streaming alone.

Chartsmasters has the song at 2,000,000 traditional digital downloads sold worldwide (1,3m coming from the USA).

With that being said, #B received certifications in 4 continents: North America, Europe, South America and Oceania.
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Postby chilled » Fri May 25, 2018 7:54 pm

Two things: The Ping Pong video was so cute!! And the reaction to covers of her songs as well!
Actually , #Beautiful deserved higher peak, but still, it was very very successful and if we really think about it, she's had #B peak at #15 on 2014 and AIWFC peak at #11, then #16, finally peaking at #9 on 2017. Let's be positive, things are looking better that we think.
The reason I said what i said before about MIAM is because, knowing that she came back from an injury and was gowing through a divorce( anyone who has experienced that, knows how devastating it is), I understand her thinking" I'm going to take my time with this". Was it the best of all strategies , specially since her last successful single was old already(#B) ? No, it wasn't! But still deliver a quality album(as always in my eyes) and in the past she's gave us plenty of exciting Eras. Now, she seems to be back to being herself and seems to be Re-focusing on what's important for her(music). Don't we all need some time to re-focus? Why Mariah should be any different?
But I agree with the fact that , If she wants this album to do well commercially, then she needs to play all her cards right.
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Postby Wayne » Fri May 25, 2018 7:55 pm

Shadyboot wrote:And Wayne is supposed to be a moderator...
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And it doesn’t stop me having a view thank you very much - I haven’t said anything terrible. I’ve put my view in, others have responded.
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Postby Eamon » Fri May 25, 2018 7:58 pm

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bm08 wrote:Of course not. I’ve already called it a failure.

But it also says a lot that she is still able to match her peers in the streaming era despite failing in album sales. They’ll too have to do better singles wise and in streaming.
Amazing what having a hot young R&B star on your record can do!
A hot young R&B who was never played on pop radio until #Beautiful. As others said, his highest peaking single. So let’s not pretend that Miguel gave Mariah a hit. Creatively he certainly played his part. But the commercial success of the song was largely down to Mariah, her label and using Mariah’s prominence on TV at that time to launch the song.

MIAM failed for a whole load of reasons but it’s not like she was hustling promoting it for months after it came out either. So yes it was a massive flop but if anyone had any idea of what was going on in Mariah’s professional and personal life at that time, the album flopping was the only eventuality.
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Postby Eamon » Fri May 25, 2018 7:59 pm

NorthernMonkey wrote:MIAM came out a year after #B.. people probably didn’t associate that album with the single. Missed the boat there.. MIAM could have sold so much much.
Her body was exactly that size in reality. The issue was the choice of effects they used. And they most definitely should have used a head shot for the standard edition.
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Postby stevyy » Fri May 25, 2018 8:03 pm

NorthernMonkey wrote:
Wayne wrote:
bm08 wrote:Of course not. I’ve already called it a failure.

But it also says a lot that she is still able to match her peers in the streaming era despite failing in album sales. They’ll too have to do better singles wise and in streaming.
Amazing what having a hot young R&B star on your record can do!
A current hot R&B star, a great song and a legend, I believe are the 3 reasons. Didn’t this song give Miguel his highest peaking single? I rest my case.
Indeed, #Beautiful is still Miguel's biggest hit in North America and best selling single outside of the United States.

In terms of records sold the MIAM era was quite something: chartsmasters

2014 - 2,850,000 - Me. I am Mariah... The Elusive Chanteuse
2013 - 2,100,000 - Loved Me Back to Life

In terms of revenue Loved made 50 times as much money due to 90% of its total being albums sales.

But The whole era wasn't that huge of a trainwreck than many say it was. It was seriously bad and dull and the lambs were actually robbed of a real era bc the album only stayed on the charts for 1 week in most places and no single had any life in it after the album release... but it is what it is.
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Postby NorthernMonkey » Fri May 25, 2018 8:07 pm

Eamon wrote:
NorthernMonkey wrote:MIAM came out a year after #B.. people probably didn’t associate that album with the single. Missed the boat there.. MIAM could have sold so much much.
Her body was exactly that size in reality. The issue was the choice of effects they used. And they most definitely should have used a head shot for the standard edition.
She was in great shape in 2013 but she was definitely thinner in the cover of MIAM.. but yeah the effects used made her look like CGI. I really hope for a head shot for he next album. I’ve missed that.
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Postby stevyy » Fri May 25, 2018 8:09 pm

I'm hoping for real artistic artwork on the cover... i don't need HER being on the cover... it would certainly fool people.

and then the booklet is a folded poster of her in dessous. <3 #MimiComesThru/Always
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Postby NorthernMonkey » Fri May 25, 2018 8:28 pm

stevyy wrote:I'm hoping for real artistic artwork on the cover... i don't need HER being on the cover... it would certainly fool people.

and then the booklet is a folded poster of her in dessous. <3 #MimiComesThru/Always
Haha! Yeah I’d like arty but still with her on it.. a side profile maybe, or eyes closed, or half her face... I dunno but just something nice and classy.
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Postby stevyy » Fri May 25, 2018 8:30 pm

NorthernMonkey wrote:
stevyy wrote:I'm hoping for real artistic artwork on the cover... i don't need HER being on the cover... it would certainly fool people.

and then the booklet is a folded poster of her in dessous. <3 #MimiComesThru/Always
Haha! Yeah I’d like arty but still with her on it.. a side profile maybe, or eyes closed, or half her face... I dunno but just something nice and classy.
Miss Weiss from Precious would be perfect for MC15... Mariah needs to get back those overworked football moms. So I wouldn't mind her mugshot on the cover AFTER Lee Daniels had his previous make-up team do her over. :lol: 8-)
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Postby taustin13 » Fri May 25, 2018 8:35 pm

Eamon wrote:
NorthernMonkey wrote:MIAM came out a year after #B.. people probably didn’t associate that album with the single. Missed the boat there.. MIAM could have sold so much much.
Her body was exactly that size in reality. The issue was the choice of effects they used. And they most definitely should have used a head shot for the standard edition.
We are not talking about the body or the cover art. We are talking about the song being released 1 year before the album. You love talking about her body though. Lol :lol:
I still agree with this entire post. The artwork was a mess.
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Postby chilled » Fri May 25, 2018 8:47 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYM2cjUJyLE

Confirmed by Nicki. Apparently
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Postby stevyy » Fri May 25, 2018 9:05 pm

chilled wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYM2cjUJyLE

Confirmed by Nicki. Apparently
there's only 1 thing they have in common and that is being rejected by Mariah, Miss Carey if you're Nasty.
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Postby Eamon » Fri May 25, 2018 9:12 pm

taustin13 wrote:
Eamon wrote:
NorthernMonkey wrote:MIAM came out a year after #B.. people probably didn’t associate that album with the single. Missed the boat there.. MIAM could have sold so much much.
Her body was exactly that size in reality. The issue was the choice of effects they used. And they most definitely should have used a head shot for the standard edition.
We are not talking about the body or the cover art. We are talking about the song being released 1 year before the album. You love talking about her body though. Lol :lol:
I still agree with this entire post. The artwork was a mess.
I quoted the wrong post when I replied!! :lol: o
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