Bojan wrote:Top 75s
I can't ignore this stat because 60 out of those 75 went top 10
It all started with this post. Why did you feel the need to post this, when you are not even talking about Janet, just boasting about Madonna? This is Janet's thread.
After that, Bojan said Madonna and Janet are different musically and Janet is less mainstream for Europe. It's true, New Jack Swing and R&B are less mainstream in the UK compared to pop/dance music. I'm not sure why people would take offence to this comment?
Bojan wrote:The other difference is that Madonna was always following trends in music, doing what's popular and she's still doing that, whilst Janet was starting trends and risking.
Now this is a controversial opinion, but that's all it is, an opinion. We all have them - and opinions are for agreeing and disagreeing. It's how you do that which is important.
Westen wrote:You're full of sh*t.
This is how you DON'T respond.
Then this happened, which I think caused the most drama:
You're so pressed to prove Madonna's nonexistent artistry.
She's just an entertainer.
It's quite a bold comment to make, however, he's free to share that opinion. Remember, this is the Janet Jackson thread - this discussion shouldn't even be happening here. But it's not like Bojan went into the Madonna thread and said this. If that happened, I could easily understand Maddy fans coming for him and understandably so. It's the Janet thread though, where of course, Janet fans will think she is the best, and they will have differing opinions on other artists. For what it's worth, I disagree with Bojan. I think Maddy was particularly risky and creative in the 90s.
Well it's you always trying to put one down while bringing other up, both chart wise and artistically, which you did both on the last page.
You're also insulting me now for pointing ot your obvious bias that was known to everyone here. And it's so obvious it hurts, you can't even pretend to hide it
Your insults only speak about you tho
This whole post was unnecessary. Bojan does indeed put other artists down sometimes, and I've told him about this. However, on the previous page, he was not doing that. He posted Janet's UK chart stats and us actual Janet fans were happy for her success. That's all - nobody was put down. And the big 5 divas get compared all the time. Nobody said anything derogatory about another diva, not once. We were just happy for Jan. But then Westen came in and made it about Madonna. I already posted on the bias comments - everyone on UKMIX is biased towards their favourite diva, this is not news.
I won't even bother reading the rest of that post after that first sentence, but let's get something straight here: it's you who pointed out how Janet had more top 40s in UK than Mariah and other divas (meaning you're the one bringing chart success), and it's you who called Madonna's artistry NON-EXISTING, which says a lot about what you have to say in general and about your objectivity
So it'you who's bringing others down here, not someone else
Maybe you should have read the full post. It had nothing to do with this stupid argument but instead you ignored the post and repeated the same points from your previous post, continuing this even further.
BodyShop wrote:Lol,I imagine if it was a Madonna fan that had written this about Janet,Mariah or any other 'diva'... How hell would break loose calling us insecure,immature,etc.
If Bojan posted his 'non artistic' comment in the Maddy thread, I'd expect him to be annihilated by Maddy stans. And I'm sure there are plenty of comments about Janet and Mariah in the Madonna thread already. And even if there aren't, I'm sure some fans have negative opinions on the other divas - it's not new or shocking. Once again, this is the Janet Jackson thread.
Bojan posted his reasons for thinking Madonna is not artistic musically, albeit with some inaccuracies. However, there's no need to call people names because they got their facts wrong. Try helping them learn instead of arguing with them. If you need an example, look at the posts of NothingFails.
biscuits wrote:Let me go through this. What I’ll say for now is, this is a JANET JACKSON thread, not a Madonna appreciation thread.
Well, this comment didn't go down well. Maybe I could have removed the 'appreciation' part of the post, but regardless, it stands. The reason I said 'appreciation' is because some of Bojan's posts were reported, just because he said unfavourable things about Madonna. This is a place to discuss Janet. If you notice, none of the regular Janet fans even got involved in this argument, because it ruined their thread. The only people involved were Maddy stans. And that's my point - just because a Jan stan made some unfavourable comments about Madonna, we had 3 stans come in to defend her. You don't need to do that, and if you want to, it can be done in a less hostile way. I read crap about Janet all the time on this forum, but it's just opinions of other people. If Bojan made his comment in the 'Unpopular Opinions' thread, then fair enough, discuss it until it gets locked. But this is a thread to talk about Janet. Comparing Janet and Madonna is ok although quite sensitive, but to have two pages about whether Madonna is an artist or not, NO! That does not belong here and I apologise to the regular Janet fans who post in this thread and had to read through this.
Westen wrote:It's not different view, he literally said 'Madonna is not an artist and that's fact you have to deal with'
Ofc this is allowed when mods are just as biased.
So? This isn't a Madonna thread, so a) she shouldn't be discussed here b) don't be emotional when you see a negative thing posted about her. I'm not going to reprimand somebody for having an unfavourable opinion about a diva, especially when it's not in said diva's thread. I read stuff on UKMIX like 'Janet can't sing', 'Janet is only famous cos of MJ', 'Janet is a flop', etc. I might retaliate to these comments as a Janet fan, but as a moderator, I don't need to do anything because they haven't broken any rules. Just like Bojan is free to say what he feels about Madonna. Of course, people are free to reply, but do it in a civilised way instead of making it a drama.
BodyShop wrote:Or maybe someone should simply stand by what they said till the end instead of trying to twist words in order to look like a poor victm that's been attacked out of nothing.
I'm confused. You want him to stand by what he said, but on the previous page, you want him to admit everything he said was bollocks? IMO, Bojan didn't try to play a victim (a phrase which a lot of people love to use I've noticed). He did very well to explain his opinion, which he didn't have to do. This isn't a courtroom.
The reason I had to get so involved was because reports were made. I appreciate that some of you were trying to have a nice debate.
Moving on, none of this discussion continues. Let's make this thread about Janet again. The moderating team will decide if any further action needs to be taken.