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Like a Virgin (VMAs 1984)
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Express Yourself (VMAs 1989)
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Vogue (VMAs 1990)
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Sooner of Later (Academy Awards 1991)
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Bye Bye Baby (VMAs 1993)
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Take a Bow (American Music Awards 1995)
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Bedtime Story (Brit Awards 1995)
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You Must Love Me (Academy Awards 1997)
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Shanti/Ashtangi, Ray of Light (VMAs 1998)
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Music (EMAs 2000)
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Like a Virgin/Hollywood (VMAs 2003)
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Hung Up (EMAs 2005)
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Feel Good Inc./Hung Up (Grammys 2006)
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Living For Love (Brit Awards 2015)
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Postby JJeffs » Tue Nov 14, 2017 1:56 pm

^

I'm 100% with you - that's exactly what I'm thinking.
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Postby BodyShop » Tue Nov 14, 2017 2:07 pm

JJeffs wrote:^

I'm 100% with you - that's exactly what I'm thinking.
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Postby menime123 » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:15 pm

Well I hope so, but she could just as easily be working on the movie pre-production - finalising the script, looking at locations, props etc - which is basically day to day office stuff. She might have also decided to take 6-12 months off to really bond with her new girls too, or simply doing the office stuff alongside the parenting.

There’s nothing really that suggests she is working on new music - there is no way we wouldn’t know something if she was writing and working on stuff. Unless it literally is just her and Mirwais working on stuff together like old times.
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Postby CandyShop » Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:19 pm

menime123 wrote:Well I hope so, but she could just as easily be working on the movie pre-production - finalising the script, looking at locations, props etc - which is basically day to day office stuff. She might have also decided to take 6-12 months off to really bond with her new girls too, or simply doing the office stuff alongside the parenting.

There’s nothing really that suggests she is working on new music - there is no way we wouldn’t know something if she was writing and working on stuff. Unless it literally is just her and Mirwais working on stuff together like old times.
Madonna herself said few weeks ago she is planning to work on new music
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Postby menime123 » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:10 pm

CandyShop wrote:
menime123 wrote:Well I hope so, but she could just as easily be working on the movie pre-production - finalising the script, looking at locations, props etc - which is basically day to day office stuff. She might have also decided to take 6-12 months off to really bond with her new girls too, or simply doing the office stuff alongside the parenting.

There’s nothing really that suggests she is working on new music - there is no way we wouldn’t know something if she was writing and working on stuff. Unless it literally is just her and Mirwais working on stuff together like old times.
Madonna herself said few weeks ago she is planning to work on new music
No, she didn’t. Everyone assumed that’s what she meant but she didn’t actually say ‘I’m about to start working on new music’.
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Postby MrLeonix » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:19 pm

Lets accept the fact that there won't be any album until 2019 at least.
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Postby Erotica » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:20 pm

MrLeonix wrote:Lets accept the fact that there won't be any album until 2019 at least.
yes :/
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Postby menime123 » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:40 pm

MrLeonix wrote:Lets accept the fact that there won't be any album until 2019 at least.
Absolutely. My guess is next year she’ll make the movie and start the album, then aim for 2019 release for both with 2020 world tour. ‘Madonna World Tour 2020’ sounds quite nice imo :lol:
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Postby BodyShop » Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:51 pm

Guys,I only shared a feeling !
There's no concrete evidence of anything.
But ,even though I can be wrong,I still think she won't make any movie for now.
She's had more than enough time for pre production. She shared pictures of possible locations ages ago on her IG.
Since then,nothing new was brought to the table.
So ,yes,I'll stand by my feelings lol.
Note:I'm not even saying were gonna get a new album soon. What I think is that she may be more inclined to work on new music again for whatever reason.
Either way,who knows? Anybody can be right or wrong.
Maybe not even het knows what she's doing next ... Lol
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Postby spiritboy » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:08 pm

I think she learned her lesson well from RH leaks so even if she's working on new music, she won't let us know until she's ready to announce something.
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Postby BodyShop » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:26 pm

Tbh , feel so good now,regarding her next release.
I mean,after the massive letdown of MDNA and the never before seen leakage of Rebel Heart ,i swear to God,i don't expect anything.
Saleswise,soundwise,imagewise...nothing !
This is so good. I feel like I've reached the nirvana as a fan :lol:
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Postby Westen » Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:37 pm

Since everything is so instant these days i hope she chooses not to have an 'era'. Eras are very short these days and if singles flop before the album, hype is dead. I think she should just announce date of the album 2-3 weeks in advance, maybe one music video that week when album is out and that's it. Tour few months later.
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Postby Yoshie » Tue Nov 14, 2017 6:47 pm

Essential Albums: Madonna – Erotica

Madonna's 1992 visual album represents a landmark in queer and feminist pop music, argues News Editor Gregory Robinson

1992 was a pivotal year for pop music icon Madonna. Two years after the release of her international smash hit ‘Vogue’, which bought underground gay ballroom culture from the streets of New York to the rest of the world. And a year after the release of the The Immaculate Collection, the highest selling compilation by a solo artist, Madonna’s career was on a constant upswing both creatively and commercially.

As the world’s favourite provocateur entered the second phase of her career, her fame grew, her artistry matured and the themes of sexuality and religion, which have deep roots within Madonna’s career tracing all the way back to 1984’s ‘Like A Virgin’, pushed ‘Deeper and Deeper’ into territory never before explored by a mainstream pop star. As you can imagine, the world was very different in 1992. Even I, who was not even alive during one of music’s most pivotal eras, can understand that a female artist breaching the boundaries of sex and religion would be unthinkable for many people.

Leading up to the release of Madonna’s fifth studio album Erotica, signs of Madonna’s incessant need to rebel were laid bare. From ‘Like A Prayer’s’ burning crosses, black Jesus starring in the video to the theatrical Blond Ambition Tour of 1990, and the film Truth or Dare, that documented the tour, the world should have forecast Madonna’s next creative adventure to make seismic waves in the world of pop culture. They did not.

On 20th October 1992, Madonna released her visual-concept album Erotica simultaneously with Sex, a coffee table book containing explicit images of the singer shot by fashion photographers Steven Meisel and Fabien Baron. The visual album was met with stagnant reviews from critics whilst contemporary fans, many of whom identified as part of the LGBT community, celebrated the project.

The year 1992 not only marked a year of animosity from Madonna’s critics but also an era of suffering for the LGBT community as a result of the AIDS epidemic. Madonna has always been an outspoken advocate for the LGBT community, especially during the height of the AIDS epidemic. In a similar fashion to the safe sex pamphlet inserted into copies of her Like A Prayer album in 1989, Madonna used Erotica as a platform to discuss safe sex to the point of the Sex book being packaged in a condom inspired wrapper. The album’s final ballad ‘In This Life’ pays tribute to two of Madonna’s close friends who died of AIDS. ‘He was only twenty three / Gone before he had his time / It came without a warning / Didn't want his friends to see him cry / He knew the day was dawning / And I didn't have a chance to say goodbye’ she croons on the sorrowful eulogy. ‘In This Life’, much like the chart topping single ‘This Used To Be My Playground’, released three months before Erotica, shows Madonna’s emotional fragility.

It may come as a surprise to discover that Erotica is not the grossly carnal sex album you may expect. The album’s tracks range from deeply personal anecdotes: ‘In This Life’, ‘Rain’, ‘Secret Garden’ to disco bops: ‘Deeper and Deeper’, ‘Fever’ and gritty New Jack Swing confessions: ‘Bye Bye Baby’, ‘Where Life Begins’, ‘Thief of Hearts’ to a dancehall tinged call for world peace: ‘Why’s It So Hard?’.

Madonna crafted the album’s unique combinations of sounds with her co-producer and co-writer Shep Pettibone, who had previously remixed several of Madonna’s 1980s hits by turning them into modern 1990s house anthems. He also and produced ‘Vogue’. Pettibone kept a diary detailing his studio sessions with Madonna, with the first entry dated November 1991. According to Pettibone, Madonna wanted the album to sound raw ‘as if it were recorded in an alley at 123rd Street in Harlem.’ As a result, the album’s blend of hip-hop, jazz, New Jack Swing, funk, disco and house are sprinkled throughout the record and give it an authentic, cinematic quality which could overlay a picturesque scene of New York’s bourgeoisie and the rebels of the clubs and ballrooms.

The title track, lead single and album opener ‘Erotica’ is narrated by Madonna’s alter ego Dita. ‘If I take you from behind / push myself into your mind / when you least expect it… / will you try to reject it?’ is a playful reference to Madonna’s relationship with her critics. The song is somewhat of a companion to ‘Justify My Love’ which, like ‘Erotica’, has spoken word verses which are also utilised on the album’s jazzy closing track ‘Secret Garden’.

The rest of the album unfolds much like a journal in which Madonna reflects on her past relationships and lovers in the hip-hop tinged ‘Bye Bye Baby’, ‘Waiting’ and ‘Words’. ‘Bad Girl’ tells the fateful story of a drunken, chain smoking woman whose bingeing cannot stop her feel dissatisfied with her relationship with an unknown male. The high concept music video, directed by David Fincher stars Christopher Walken as Madonna’s character’s guardian angel.

Not only is Erotica filled with sorrow, it also explores sensuality. ‘Where Life Begins’ is a hip-hop slow jam in which Madonna cheekily celebrates cunnilingus. Though she has never been regarded as a powerhouse vocalist, Madonna’s crystal clear vocals carry ‘Rain’s’ trip hop melody to extraordinary highs and at some moments, evoke Karen Carpenter. The songs turbocharged middle-eight section seamlessly leads into Madonna’s dual recital of lines through both right and left channels, further showing Pettibone’s exquisite production and Madonna’s keen ear for a catchy melody. The ‘Vogue’ sampling ‘Deeper and Deeper’ is the album’s most gleeful song takes listeners back to the disco era, as Madonna takes on the persona of a young man coming out. She declares ‘This feeling inside, I can't explain / But my love is alive, and I'm never gonna hide it again’ over a nineties house beat before leading into a flamenco guitar breakdown. The surrealistic visual pays tribute to the work of Andy Warhol and 1970s disco culture.

Despite the lyrical and musical strength of Erotica’s songs, the album, and its singles were considered flops in comparison to blockbuster eighties hits ‘Material Girl’ and ‘Papa Don’t Preach.’ Erotica was Madonna’s first album not to top the Billboard 200 albums chart and sold “only” 6 million copies worldwide. For contemporary critics, the hits were not big enough and in their eyes, the world’s biggest pop star was unable to back up her ‘gimmicks’ with sales receipts. The Erotica era became the perfect time for the society, both men and women, to crucify the woman who defied everything in the unwritten rule book of pop.

When I first became a Madonna fan around six years ago, it became clear that Erotica and the Sex book were seen as blemishes in Madonna’s otherwise smash hit filled career. Even from a modern perspective, in which every female pop star has used elements of the Madonna Blueprint, the album and its visuals maintained their astonishing impact. Erotica is an essential album because it is incredibly bold – both for 1992 and a quarter of a century later. Madonna’s fight for the free expression of sex, religion and romance for all is interwoven throughout her work and is most prominent during the Erotica era. Erotica’s legacy has birthed Beyonce’s visual album Lemonade, and has inspired the today’s biggest pop divas; Lady Gaga, Britney Spears, Rihanna, Ariana Grande, Katy Perry, Pink, Christina Aguilera and Nicki Minaj et al.

Erotica is an unconventional ode to feminism and homosexuality before these concepts became popular trending topics. This is one of the many reasons why the album was listed by the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame in August 2017 as one of the most revolutionary albums of all time. ‘...few women artists, before or since Erotica, have been so outspoken about their fantasies and desires. Madonna made it clear that shame and sexuality are mutually exclusive. In the end, Erotica embraced and espoused pleasure, and kept Madonna at the forefront of pop's sexual revolution.’ It is safe to say that no one will ever be able to top Erotica.
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Postby menime123 » Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:00 pm

Westen wrote:Since everything is so instant these days i hope she chooses not to have an 'era'. Eras are very short these days and if singles flop before the album, hype is dead. I think she should just announce date of the album 2-3 weeks in advance, maybe one music video that week when album is out and that's it. Tour few months later.
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Postby menime123 » Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:07 pm

BodyShop wrote:Tbh , feel so good now,regarding her next release.
I mean,after the massive letdown of MDNA and the never before seen leakage of Rebel Heart ,i swear to God,i don't expect anything.
Saleswise,soundwise,imagewise...nothing !
This is so good. I feel like I've reached the nirvana as a fan :lol:
The thing with the leaks, has that actually ever happened to someone before? I know stuff leaks and has done for years - I am a Madonna fan afterall - but I would argue literally every track she demoed for this album leaked in advance of the album being finished, let alone announced. Plus it wasn’t just 1 demo - multiple demos leaked for some songs.
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Postby RayRay » Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:17 pm

menime123 wrote:
BodyShop wrote:Tbh , feel so good now,regarding her next release.
I mean,after the massive letdown of MDNA and the never before seen leakage of Rebel Heart ,i swear to God,i don't expect anything.
Saleswise,soundwise,imagewise...nothing !
This is so good. I feel like I've reached the nirvana as a fan :lol:
The thing with the leaks, has that actually ever happened to someone before? I know stuff leaks and has done for years - I am a Madonna fan afterall - but I would argue literally every track she demoed for this album leaked in advance of the album being finished, let alone announced. Plus it wasn’t just 1 demo - multiple demos leaked for some songs.
It happend to Toni Braxton's 2010 album "Pulse".
And just like Madonna she left off some great tracks and replaced them with mediocre songs.
And some she did release were remixed for worse...
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Postby BodyShop » Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:19 pm

menime123 wrote:
BodyShop wrote:Tbh , feel so good now,regarding her next release.
I mean,after the massive letdown of MDNA and the never before seen leakage of Rebel Heart ,i swear to God,i don't expect anything.
Saleswise,soundwise,imagewise...nothing !
This is so good. I feel like I've reached the nirvana as a fan :lol:
The thing with the leaks, has that actually ever happened to someone before? I know stuff leaks and has done for years - I am a Madonna fan afterall - but I would argue literally every track she demoed for this album leaked in advance of the album being finished, let alone announced. Plus it wasn’t just 1 demo - multiple demos leaked for some songs.
Exactly! It's unprecedented!
And that's why i feel so not worried now ! Everything (bad) that could've possibly happened to her,is old news.
Like:"ok,first single leaked and it's awful. No prob,that happened with GMAYL".
"Oh,the whole album leaked in advance,no one's going to buy this when it's out. Fine,that happened to Rebel Heart".
"Oh,she's releasing an album and there's absolutely no promo,she's going straight to tour now. So what? Same happened with Hard Candy and MDNA"
"Oh,there's so many generic songs in this album,albeit i love a couple of the others. What's new? MDNA all over again"
"Wow,her second week sales are terrible ,what a flop! Really? ! Honey,this is so 2012"

Like,whatever... Im only enjoying the music now everything else is a 'been there seen that" kind of situation :lol:
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Postby Benjamin » Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:20 pm

Just the thought of a new Madonna album makes me happy.
Especially because it seems like she's inspired by Portugal and Portugese music and artists.
Should be good.
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Postby Westen » Tue Nov 14, 2017 8:23 pm

menime123 wrote:
Westen wrote:Since everything is so instant these days i hope she chooses not to have an 'era'. Eras are very short these days and if singles flop before the album, hype is dead. I think she should just announce date of the album 2-3 weeks in advance, maybe one music video that week when album is out and that's it. Tour few months later.
Madonna loves to have an era.
And yet her last real era was ROL...
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Postby menime123 » Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:00 pm

Westen wrote:
menime123 wrote:
Westen wrote:Since everything is so instant these days i hope she chooses not to have an 'era'. Eras are very short these days and if singles flop before the album, hype is dead. I think she should just announce date of the album 2-3 weeks in advance, maybe one music video that week when album is out and that's it. Tour few months later.
Madonna loves to have an era.
And yet her last real era was ROL...
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Postby Westen » Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:02 pm

menime123 wrote:Image
Prove me wrong tho. :-?
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Postby KEY9481 » Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:04 pm

What was Rebel Heart then?
Single releases? Check.
Videos for each single? Check.
Cohesive imagery throughout the project? Check.
Promotion campaign for singles and album? Check.
Tour for the album? Check.
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Postby Westen » Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:13 pm

KEY9481 wrote:What was Rebel Heart then?
Single releases? Check.
Videos for each single? Check.
Cohesive imagery throughout the project? Check.
Promotion campaign for singles and album? Check.
Tour for the album? Check.
lol she released 6 songs and then disappeared for almost 2 months. And then she promoted few times over next 2 months because she was forced after the leaks. And it was the first time it happened since Music era. But then again Music era started only after she gave birth and then promoted few times Music and DTM, she cut era short because she was a bitch.

AL was tragic. Coadf was just frontloaded (tragic videos tho). HC is tragic. MDNA is nothing. So no she doesn't have proper era for almost 20 years now.
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Postby menime123 » Tue Nov 14, 2017 9:52 pm

Westen wrote:
menime123 wrote:Image
Prove me wrong tho. :-?
COADF:

1. Hung Up #1 in over 40 countries
2. COADF #1 in over 40 countries
3. MTV EMA performance
4. Grammy Award performance
5. Michael Parkinson 1 hour interview special with 2 performances
6. Promo gig in London - streamed online for free
7. 30 minute documentary of how the London Koko was made
8. Free song given away to ICON members
9. 1st ever bonus song on special edition of album
10. Horseride through NYC for Letterman
11. First ever festival set - Coachella
12. TV performances in France
13. TV performance in Germany
14. Promo visit to Japan with interviews and performances
15. Promo gig in London’s GAY
16. Motorola TV advert featuring Hung Up
17. TV performances for Children in Need
18. Ellen interview + tour announcement
19. 5 music videos (although 2 were live performance footage)
20. ILNY demo - first ever officially released Madonna demo
21. Confessions Remixed - official remix album
22. Hundreds of press junket interviews
23. Lots and lots of magazine interviews and covers
24. Consecutive album and single artwork - including the first time Madonna ever used a fan photograph as a single cover (for Sorry)
25. 2 UK #1 singles - 3rd time ever.
26. Hung Up was top 10 in the UK for 10 weeks, including 3 at #1
27. Brit Awards for Best International Female Artist
28. Grammy Award for Best Dance Album
29. Matched Elvis with the most top 10 singles in the US ever
30. Highest grossing tour by a female with Confessions Tour

That sir, is what I call an era
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Postby Westen » Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:05 pm

What does chart success has to do with era overall? Or bonus track. Sorry you didn't prove anything.

She promoted COADF only few weeks around its release (and then at Grammys).

She released 2 worst videos of her career at the time and 2 among her weakest. And then she went on tour.

Performances on local tvs in Zimbabwe and Luxembourg are irrelevant.

Last time she really had an era, kept it exciting for over a year, or kept having relevant appearances was during ROL era.
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